So Taxes passed, now what is next??

[yukonnights]

The tax bill's major purpose, besides enriching the Gups' corporate owners, is to cause massive deficits that can only be 'cured' by killing Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, all health programs, the whole safety net, as well as most individual legal rights and protections.

Return to 1900, when robber barons still ruled, 10% of American urban women survived as prostitutes, a large proportion of workers were killed or maimed on the job annually, and races were segregated. Read Otto Bettmann's THE GOOD OLD DAYS - THEY WERE AWFUL! for a taste of the Gups' American dream.

This is potentially more true than we might think. One thing I haven't seen mentioned in relation to this is the issue of Globalization...specifically, corporate globalization. I fear that many still believe that most all US citizens must be patriots. Sadly, country and citizenship have to take a back seat to corporate profit and survival - (We've even seen it in Trump's inner circle). As we all know, it is a global market being wooed now. It matters little, or nothing, if a USA based corporation "has" to make decisions that may actually harm the USA and it's citizens.

Thus, your point about the "Good Old Days" of the late 19th and early 20th centuries is a good one. But, that's only true if we roll over and accept it. I believe there is still time to reverse course, IF a majority of citizens will believe the urgency of the potential collapse of this society.
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This comes to mind for some reason;

Bob Dylan- It's A Hard Rain's A Gonna Fall (vs-#5)
Well, I'm goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a fallin'
I'll walk to the depths of the deepest black forest
Where the people are many and their hands are all empty
Where pellets of poison are flooding their waters
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
Where the executioner's face is always well hidden
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
Where black is the color, where none is the number
And I'll tell it and think it and speak it and breath it
And reflect it from the mountains so all souls can see it
Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin'
But I'll know my song well before I start singin'
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a gonna fall

 

[Paendragon]

Yea.

Oh don't take this the wrong way but it's not gerrymandering....that's an excuse for a lazy ignorant electorate.

Fuckin' black women just elected a democrat in ALABAMA and all it took was a little motivation, time and effort.

Ain't no more excuses, it's ultimately the responsibility of the electorate to stop re-electing the shit bags that have been hosing them.



Oh man the partisanship is a fucking disease.

It gets everyone in the us v. them mindset and then anything goes.

Yep, I pretty much don't care anymore and am just out for me and mine ....best of luck to everyone else!

In the Senate (Alabama) not the House. In the House there are districts that look like semen splatter they're so crooked. They've carved then up nicely to retain power in their respective states. There whole system needs to be kept out of political hands.

It's a joke. The illusion of choice.

 

[Hypoxia]

In the Senate (Alabama) not the House. In the House there are districts that look like semen splatter they're so crooked. They've carved then up nicely to retain power in their respective states. There whole system needs to be kept out of political hands.

It's a joke. The illusion of choice.

California has taken redistricting out of political hands. A balanced citizen's commission draws district lines now. "While the long-term results will bear out over time, independent studies... have shown that California now has some of the most competitive districts in the nation, creating opportunities for new elected officials."

Safe seats are gone on both sides. Candidates must actually RUN, not just saunter to home plate. Arizona recently instituted a similar system; I'm not sure of other states. But legislative and congressional seats should not be lifetime sinecures. WORK for it, hey?

 

[BotanyBoy]

In the Senate (Alabama) not the House. In the House there are districts that look like semen splatter they're so crooked. They've carved then up nicely to retain power in their respective states. There whole system needs to be kept out of political hands.

It's a joke. The illusion of choice.

Yet despite all of that in the end it still couldn't stop non white males from getting out and voting and putting a (D) up in Alabama could it? If it can happen there it can happen anywhere.

We have choice, it's not an illusion, we just have to get off our ass's and do it....Alabama proves that.

 

[JackLuis]

Yet despite all of that in the end it still couldn't stop non white males from getting out and voting and putting a (D) up in Alabama could it? If it can happen there it can happen anywhere.

We have choice, it's not an illusion, we just have to get off our ass's and do it....Alabama proves that.

Yey, BB you finally made a point!

America can be saved by voters getting out and voting the Bastards out! If only 75% of the voters had voted last year, we'd be bitching about HRC.

 

[JackLuis]

‘People hate you’: Paul Ryan buried in scorn for gloating about shredding safety net to cut taxes

Lick spittle, Koch Sucking lackey gloats over screwing America!

 

[Hypoxia]

ObTopic: A tax bill hasn't yet passed. It probably will, but never underestimate the ability of pols and POTUS to fuck things up.

McCain likely won't vote, and if Corker and Collins flip, it's dead for this year, which makes it dead next year, too. THEN we'll see the start of a Gup revolution as their corporate owners shift support away from the unproductive oafs.

 

[Paendragon]

Yet despite all of that in the end it still couldn't stop non white males from getting out and voting and putting a (D) up in Alabama could it? If it can happen there it can happen anywhere.

We have choice, it's not an illusion, we just have to get off our ass's and do it....Alabama proves that.

I agree. In the Senate. In the house, if I have a district drawn up as a republican (just for example because both parties do this), and only 5% if my constituency is a minority, I just have to appeal to white men, you know those guys that voted for Moore. I can pretty much do anything in the current political climate short of being arrested and my constituency will keep voting me in just because of the R next to my name.

There are states where they have carved up districts to put all monitors in one place, so the worst they can do is get one representative in, whereas if they were spread out they could influence multiple districts.

Hell, think of Nancy Pelosi. She wins that seat until she dies or retires because it's so liberal.

Senate is statewide. It's much easier to manipulate sentiment a la Alabama.

Getting rid of gerrymandering (getting it out if the hands of politicians) is one of my least crazy reform ideas. Lol. The one that always gets the funny looks is when I make a case for term limits for the Supreme Court.

 

[jaF0]

Something about they screwed up -- a rule violation ---and they have to go again?

Just saw a quick headline.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm not aware that the Republican leadership in Congress has been following any procedural rules for some time.

 

[Calista85]

Yea.

Oh don't take this the wrong way but it's not gerrymandering....that's an excuse for a lazy ignorant electorate.

Fuckin' black women just elected a democrat in ALABAMA and all it took was a little motivation, time and effort.

Ain't no more excuses, it's ultimately the responsibility of the electorate to stop re-electing the shit bags that have been hosing them.



Oh man the partisanship is a fucking disease.

It gets everyone in the us v. them mindset and then anything goes.

Yep, I pretty much don't care anymore and am just out for me and mine ....best of luck to everyone else!

This idiocy is really getting old. Only 30% of the voters were black...now considering the black population there, that's not a great turn out. Of that 30% it was 18% women 12% men.

For Jones to win he needed over 50%

So I'm sick of this liberal garbage that all white men/white people voted for Moore and that black women(18%) put Jones in office. In fact of that 18% a small number inexplicably voted for Moore(???) so it was less than 18%

So what we're supposed to think is all white people are racist-but we all are right? That's what liberals do, they loathe their own skin and are self racist-and no white people voted for Jones and apparently no black men either because Black women put Jones in office.

This ridiculous skewed anti white, racist-newsflash when people say "all white people, white people, white...is just as racist as saying it about any other ethnicity.....is why this country is suffering with Trump and why Moore even had a shot

People are sick of liberals. Just see 2016 election for that.

 

[sr71plt]

You've just called BotanyBoy a liberal. Wow, you're certainly out of your element on that. (which sort of makes your whole post collapse)

 

[someoneyouknow]

This lays out who voted for who in Alabama. Not who the uneducateds voted for:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.d67e591efab7

Now, back on topic, with the largest giveaway to corporate America and the elite in this country's history, and with history on our side, it is quite clear what will happen next. The deficit will soar, CEOs will get bigger bonuses, hundreds of billions in stock buybacks will happen and the middle class will be told they have to pick up an even bigger share of the tax burden after not getting raises for the past 25 years.

If you thought Kansas was a disaster, watch what happens next.

 

[sr71plt]

We'll have to see what can be recovered after November 2018, because the Republicans seem to be intent on committing suicide.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yey, BB you finally made a point!

America can be saved by voters getting out and voting the Bastards out! If only 75% of the voters had voted last year, we'd be bitching about HRC.

I make plenty, but since some point in a (D)irection you don't like, you tend to ignore them.

Liberals, socialists, libertarians and cons would be.....most (D)'s however would be in here licking her ass for everything they could think of just like they did for Obama. No matter how slimy or backstabbing it got, Dear Leader never lost the love of his subjects.

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Hell, think of Nancy Pelosi. She wins that seat until she dies or retires because it's so liberal.

Getting rid of gerrymandering (getting it out if the hands of politicians) is one of my least crazy reform ideas. Lol. The one that always gets the funny looks is when I make a case for term limits for the Supreme Court.

She doesn't even know what year it is and has forgotten who was in the WH at least twice this year.

I think she's loosing it but you're right, she'll get re-elected 100%.

BTW Pelosi isn't liberal and neither are her constituents, liberalism implies capitalist, something Pelosi and most (D)'s for that matter fucking LOATHE with a white hot searing passion. They just hate it, they can't say why but they hate it, they hate people who've figured it out and they hate the ones who've used that to their advantage the most.

This idiocy is really getting old. Only 30% of the voters were black...now considering the black population there, that's not a great turn out. Of that 30% it was 18% women 12% men.

And they were essential in defeating Moore despite the claims that black people have no power, aren't allowed to vote and are TOTALLY oppressed by evil whiteness at all times.

So I'm sick of this liberal garbage that all white....

Social Justice garbage....not liberal.

So what we're supposed to think is all white people are racist-but we all are right?

Yep....round eye is born Nazi.

Just ask the "progressive" democrats about lit.

That's what liberals do, they loathe their own skin and are self racist

Social Justice warriors.....liberals don't give a shit about skin color and are more capitalistic, anti-big government than conservatives including most of the GOP.

People are sick of liberals. Just see 2016 election for that.

There are hardly any liberals out there...most of them are get called libertarian, but there are some key differences the D and R partisans LOVE to ignore.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Absolutely not.

The reason we have Trump and Moore is brain dead idiotic fuckwads such as yourself voting from petty stupid shit like this. You watch Fox, get riled up, and go vote for these insane "cultural" grievances, instead of educating yourself on what GOVERNMENT actually is.

People who think a vote for Prez is a way to take out their anger at such and such a group, rather than voting for POLICIES and COMPETANCE, are why we are where we are--and who refuse to take responsibility for themselves.

We have a nation of uneducated, petulant infants who throw knee jerk temper tantrums in the voting booth.

This idiocy is really getting old. Only 30% of the voters were black...now considering the black population there, that's not a great turn out. Of that 30% it was 18% women 12% men.

For Jones to win he needed over 50%

So I'm sick of this liberal garbage that all white men/white people voted for Moore and that black women(18%) put Jones in office. In fact of that 18% a small number inexplicably voted for Moore(???) so it was less than 18%

So what we're supposed to think is all white people are racist-but we all are right? That's what liberals do, they loathe their own skin and are self racist-and no white people voted for Jones and apparently no black men either because Black women put Jones in office.

This ridiculous skewed anti white, racist-newsflash when people say "all white people, white people, white...is just as racist as saying it about any other ethnicity.....is why this country is suffering with Trump and why Moore even had a shot

People are sick of liberals. Just see 2016 election for that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Absolutely not.

The reason we have Trump and Moore is brain dead idiotic fuckwads such as yourself voting from petty stupid shit like this.

Don't you vote for petty stupid shit like that?

You're a social justice fan aren't you?

Support BLM? Feminism? Believe in and perpetuate the "white privilege" myth??

You vote for (D) for those reasons don't you?

 

[Paendragon]

She doesn't even know what year it is and has forgotten who was in the WH at least twice this year.

I think she's loosing it but you're right, she'll get re-elected 100%.

BTW Pelosi isn't liberal and neither are her constituents, liberalism implies capitalist, something Pelosi and most (D)'s for that matter fucking LOATHE with a white hot searing passion. They just hate it, they can't say why but they hate it, they hate people who've figured it out and they hate the ones who've used that to their advantage the most.

No, she isn't s liberal. It's funny that liberals and conservatives vote for these schmucks who don't represent them. It's populist nonsense.

Anyway, we're fucked. Have a nice day!

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Even if I were a "social justice fan," whatever that means, I don't vote for petty shit.

Abortion policy is REAL

Gun control is REAL

Tax Policy is REAL

Staying in the Paris deal or not is REAL

Lots of people who voted for Trump did it for REAL reasons--because they want abortion outlawed. Because they want taxes lowered on corporations. Still fuckwads, but at least they get: politicians make laws that affect my life.

The rest of these idiots like Calista blow their wad on a momentary bullshit "issues" that makes them feel good for ten seconds, and then whine and cry when the economy crashes because of WHO THEY VOTED FOR. Because they are stupid, knee jerk, manipulated morons.

All the rest of this crap is something to debate in seminars or yell at each other on the internet. It's not a reason to go throw a temper tantrum in the voting booth

Don't you vote for petty stupid shit like that?

You're a social justice fan aren't you?

Support BLM? Feminism? Believe in and perpetuate the "white privilege" myth??

You vote for (D) for those reasons don't you?

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, she isn't s liberal. It's funny that liberals and conservatives vote for these schmucks who don't represent them. It's populist nonsense.

Anyway, we're fucked. Have a nice day!

Over and over again....LOL

Mmmhmm! You too.

Even if I were a "social justice fan," whatever that means, I don't vote for petty shit.

You don't support BLM? or Believe it's the governments job to make things "more equal" for POC, women and LGBQTAHIJKLMNOP folks who suffer under the oppression of the white male?

You vote Democrat....clearly you vote for shit, petty or not is a matter of perspective.

Abortion policy is REAL

Gun control is REAL

Tax Policy is REAL

Staying in the Paris deal or not is REAL

Depends on who you ask.

To me abortion policy and the Paris deal were not "real" but a total joke, no effect on me either way really.

Lots of people who voted for Trump did it for REAL reasons--because they want abortion outlawed. Because they want taxes lowered on corporations. Still fuckwads, but at least they get: politicians make laws that affect my life.

I think everyone understands that politicians make laws that affect peoples lives...what's your point?

The rest of these idiots like Calista blow their wad on a momentary bullshit "issues" that makes them feel good for ten seconds, and then whine and cry when the economy crashes because of WHO THEY VOTED FOR. Because they are stupid, knee jerk, manipulated morons.

??? So what?

All the rest of this crap is something to debate in seminars or yell at each other on the internet. It's not a reason to go throw a temper tantrum in the voting booth

But continuing to get the same shit no matter who you vote for arguably is.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

How is abortion policy a joke? Seems pretty simple. Either its going to stay legal or not. That's real, and it's going to affect many people's lives.

Of course, you're a sociopath, EVERYTHING is a joke to you.

To me abortion policy and the Paris deal were not "real" but a total joke, no effect on me either way really.

The poster that started this clearly does not understand that, that's my point.

I think everyone understands that politicians make laws that affect peoples lives...what's your point?

You're dumb, and a sociopath. But just because YOU can't discern the huge, real differences among parties and presidents and what they offer, doesn't mean there aren't any.

You're an infant crying in your diaper. "Adults are stupid. Waaa waaaa waaaa."

But continuing to get the same shit no matter who you vote for arguably is.

 

[BotanyBoy]

How is abortion policy a joke?

Both sides want to control the other side, both sides have arguments, neither side has the guts to actually do shit.

They both love dangling that hot button out there to get the fundies all wound up.

How much you want to bet (D)'s dangle HC out in front of your sorry sucker ass for the umpteenth time these midterms and in 2020?

They could have EVERY OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY, and they wouldn't deliver anymore than the (R)'s will drop a balanced budget.

That's real, and it's going to affect many people's lives.

For some, because not mine.

Of course, you're a sociopath, EVERYTHING is a joke to you.

You're dumb, and a sociopath.

Not caring about things that don't matter to me doesn't make me a sociopath and neither does laughing at fundie morons losing their shit over it.

You should really look up the definition of sociopath before you go tossing it about incorrectly.

But just because YOU can't discern the huge, real differences among parties and presidents and what they offer, doesn't mean there aren't any.

You can't either that's why you can't point out real differences.

You can point out the difference in their talking points...but when it comes to actions? Both parties are almost entirely sold out to the highest bidders.

That's why you voted for Obama and STILL wound up with Romney care.

Wake up and smell the scam sister....you got scammed!

You're an infant crying in your diaper. "Adults are stupid. Waaa waaaa waaaa."

No, that's what you're doing

You're dumb, and a sociopath.

Because you can't point to anything the (D)'s have done for 'we the people'....certainly not in recent times.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Democrats don't dangle abortion: the Rs do, and it's how they get elected over and over. For the Dems, its over and done with. Settled law. The only reason they have to address is it (see above.)

You don't think given the chance they will reverse it? Look at what's going on in Texas. Oh wait, you only deal in repetitive generalities.

The Dreamers: another practical issue off the top of my head. They could very well be deported. Or not.

The tax bill being voted on right now.

You shit on the laws and issues before us because: you deal only in idealistic generalities, and know nothing.

Both sides want to control the other side, both sides have arguments, neither side has the guts to actually do shit.

They both love dangling that hot button out there to get the fundies all wound up

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I'm all in for Ocare. The Dems have been quite clear on what they want to do with it. I want it to stay. It's about to get killed. Pretty clear.

How much you want to bet (D)'s dangle HC out in front of your sorry sucker ass for the umpteenth time these midterms and in 2020?

They have delivered: Ocare. Let's keep it, and go from there.

They could have EVERY OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY, and they wouldn't deliver anymore than the (R)'s will drop a balanced budget.

I think it does. A psychopath cares about nothing. A sociopath hates society and cares only about him/her self.

"Fuck the poor."
"not my problem."
"Doesn't affect me."
"I measure my value by my bank account."

Plus anyone who shrugs at Trump is a sociopath, just like him.

Not caring about things that don't matter to me doesn't make me a sociopath.

You should really look up the definition of sociopath before you go tossing it about incorrectly.

First of all, I love Ocare.

Second of all, it was far from the ONLY reason I voted for Obama. It wasn't a reason at all. So stop attributing and ascribing motives.

You can point out the difference in their talking points...but when it comes to actions? Both parties are almost entirely sold out to the highest bidders.

That's why you voted for Obama and STILL wound up with Romney care.

Wake up and smell the scam sister....you got scammed!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Democrats don't dangle abortion:

https://media.giphy.com/media/EysAMIOt4GOmk/giphy-downsized-large.gif

I'm all in for Ocare. The Dems have been quite clear on what they want to do with it. I want it to stay. It's about to get killed. Pretty clear.

I know you love Romney Care......you love Republican scams when it's (D)'s selling them to you.

I think it does.

Ok, but you're still wrong.

A psychopath cares about nothing. A sociopath hates society and cares only about him/her self.

Verifiably false on every point, you're putting on a GRAND display of ignorance...please tell us more Dr.Flower

You should look up nihilism, misanthropy and narcissism after you figure out that's not at all what a psychopath and sociopath are.

https://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/book/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596

First of all, I love Ocare.

Romney care is good hua?
http://s3-origin-images.politico.com/2012/10/121019_obama_romney_alsmith_rts_328.jpg
LOL sucker.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Democrats would be very happy not to talk about abortion. THAT was ended for them back in 1974. Done. Over with. It's the law.

It's the Rs who "dangle" it in front of the braindead fundies time and time again.

Otherwise, full of shit, as usual:

From WebMD:

You may have heard people call someone else a “psychopath” or a “sociopath.” But what do those words really mean?

You won’t find the definitions in mental health’s official handbook, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Doctors don’t officially diagnose people as psychopaths or sociopaths. They use a different term instead: antisocial personality disorder.

There's more:

Do They Have a Conscience?

A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether he has a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know when we’re doing something wrong, says L. Michael Tompkins, EdD. He's a psychologist at the Sacramento County Mental Health Treatment Center.

A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won’t feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. He may observe others and then act the way they do so he’s not “found out,” Tompkins says.

A sociopath typically has a conscience, but it’s weak. He may know that taking your money is wrong, and he might feel some guilt or remorse, but that won’t stop his behavior.

I think that's pretty accurate.

From your every statement, I conclude you have zero (0) ability to empathize with other living beings, animal or human. You have a single narcissistic interest, period.

It's why you simply "don't get" Trump. He doesn't register with you because: takes one to know one.