So Taxes passed, now what is next??

[dan_c00000]

People are sick of liberals. Just see 2016 election for that.

Which is why an orange Nazi lost the popular vote. I hope you enjoy giving all your money to the Donald as he and his family stand to benefit from this tax bullshit pretty mightily.

That's why you elected him right? So he could give himself a lot of your money? You got suckered by a fake populist/real fascist.

 

[EternalFantasies]

The bottomline: nothing changed.

The poor were paying no taxes and if paying little, it got reduced.

the middle got a tax cut to keep them quiet.

So what's the point?

Who did Obama care premiums hurt the most? Businesses. Especially small to medium sized ones. They got 14% tax cut to help out.

The bill also included a removal of the obligation to pay a penalty if you don't have healthcare coverage.

So unless Obamacare is changed, effectively nothing really changed.

The bill also allows oil drilling in the national wildlife refuge.


The main benefit from this is for families. Which you can thank Rubio for. They get double the tax credits per child, 2000$. And they pay less taxes.


If Obamacare is not rolled back and businesses getting really the extra money from the tax cut and reducing premium damages, they won't invest and there won't be an increase in economy.

 

[phrodeau]

I assume that every penny of oil revenue from the NWR will go to Fort Knox.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The bottomline: nothing changed.

^^^^ Fake News

 

[EternalFantasies]

^^^^ Fake News

Well, i was ambivalent about saying it like this, since some things do change, but me saying it like this plays into the left's favor. If it's "fake news", then it favors the right. Proof that you got nothing from what the bill is nor my post.

The doubling of the child tax credit is a major change for people. the tax rate reduction per bracket is as well.

What is problematic for the right, is the claim that tax breaks for businesses will stimulate an economy already doing quite well and a historic low unemployment rate.

That claim will be hard to give fruition if they do not roll back Obamacare and reduce those premiums back down.

Coz otherwise, they merely took money from businesses since Obamacare premiums' hike, and now reduced that HC premium bill on each business - or possibly eliminated it for some - through a 14% tax cut. So nothing changed.

I'm essentially criticizing the right wing's claim, mr fake news

 

[phrodeau]

How will rolling back Obamacare end up reducing health insurance premiums? It makes no sense to me.

 

[EternalFantasies]

How will rolling back Obamacare end up reducing health insurance premiums? It makes no sense to me.

It is what brought them up, isn't it?

 

[sr71plt]

It is what brought them up, isn't it?

Omm, no. It's what provided health care for many who didn't have it. If you don't have health care to pay for at all, premiums are irrelevant.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Omm, no. It's what provided health care for many who didn't have it. If you don't have health care to pay for at all, premiums are irrelevant.

Thank you for that.

Premiums skyrocketed since Obamacare.

On which planet are you living?

 

[sr71plt]

Thank you for that.

Premiums skyrocketed since Obamacare.

On which planet are you living?

I live on Earth and I have exactly the same health insurance the members of Congress have. It's tagged directly to theirs. Wasn't that clever of me to manage? That doesn't mean I'm not concerned with what coverage others can get. I'm not a Trumpian Republican.

We'll see how your answer to providing affordable health insurance for everyone works out. Wait, you don't have a plan, do you? You ascribe to the plan of just running down everyone else's attempt to do it, don't you? What? You say you're a Trumpian Republican? I think I would have guessed.

 

[EternalFantasies]

I live on Earth and I have exactly the same health insurance the members of Congress have. It's tagged directly to theirs. Wasn't that clever of me to manage? That doesn't mean I'm not concerned with what coverage others can get. I'm not a Trumpian Republican.

We'll see how your answer to providing affordable health insurance for everyone works out. Wait, you don't have a plan, do you? You ascribe to the plan of just running down everyone else's attempt to do it, don't you? What? You say you're a Trumpian Republican? I think I would have guessed.

WTF are you talking about?

This thread is not about healthcare, its the tax plan.

You're replying to posts you either did not read or did not comprehend.

 

[sr71plt]

WTF are you talking about?

This thread is not about healthcare, its the tax plan.

You're replying to posts you either did not read or did not comprehend.

Ah, deflection--or attempts at it. I was responding to your post on Obamacare. So, I guess you don't know that Obamacare is about healthcare, yes? Or you didn't know that there was healthcare rollback included in the tax legislation. Or you're just trying to distract and deflect. Yeah, that's it.

Who do you think you're fooling?

As far as the tax bill, I'm perfectly happy with sitting back and watching what it actually does. If it doesn't do well, there will be a new Congress elected that will just undo it and those who did it will be the ones carrying the scars. (Of course, being the scumbags they are, they will have personally enriched themselves through the bill for as long as it holds.)

 

[dan_c00000]

This thread is not about healthcare, its the tax plan.

The tax plan directly affects healthcare. But don't take my word for it. How about someone you can trust, like an orange Nazi?

http://i.imgur.com/5rieiU5.gif

 

[phrodeau]

Thank you for that.

Premiums skyrocketed since Obamacare.

On which planet are you living?

Premiums were skyrocketing before Obamacare, and they'll probably keep skyrocketing after Obamacare. What will the GOP do about it?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Democrats would be very happy not to talk about abortion.

But then what would feminist fear monger their fans with when the government wants them to pay for their own shit?

You can lie to yourself all you want but I'm not buyin' sister.

I think that's pretty accurate.

And your highly unqualified opinion would be entirely wrong.

From your every statement, I conclude you have zero (0) ability to empathize with other living beings, animal or human. You have a single narcissistic interest, period.

Wrong and wrong.

I have empathy, I just don't agree with you that government forced "empathy" is the best measure by which to manage an economy.

I have a single responsibility because of circumstance, many interests though.

Just because they don't align with your interest doesn't make me a narcissist.

It's why you simply "don't get" Trump. He doesn't register with you because: takes one to know one.

I get Trump, I just don't think he's a Nazi or really any different than the corporate puppets who've held his office for the last 40 years.

 

[Hypoxia]

Premiums were skyrocketing before Obamacare, and they'll probably keep skyrocketing after Obamacare. What will the GOP do about it?

Before ACA aka Obamacare aka Romneycare, the Gup alternative to HRC's Single-Payer plan, private insurers' overhead was ~24% whilst Medicare's was ~4%. 24-4=20. One in five private healthcare dollars were siphoned-off for shareholders (often major financial institutions and foreign sovereign funds) and execs. ACA limited the private overhead to 16%, so now only one in eight healthcare dollars lines nonproductive pockets. 16-4-12. Is that much better?

Premiums rose under ACA because Congress reneged on its obligation to fund low-income subsidies. ACA is failing because Gups want it to. No surprise.

Millions without health insurance, lacking access to ordinary providers, delay as long as possible and then run to emergency rooms to handle their inflamed 'routine' needs, at huge costs, which hospitals write-off as losses offsetting their higher charges.

A healthier population works harder, produces more, and pays more taxes. Gups don't want this. A healthier population is harder to manipulate. Yow.

Meanwhile, the tax bill helps us slightly in the short-term -- we can convert more taxed IRAs to untaxed Roth IRAs -- but we're fucked in a couple years, especially as the Medicare and Social Security we've paid into are slaughtered to pay for the incoming massive deficit resultant from the corporate windfall. Our US$35k annual retirement income, already chewed up by my increasing medical bills, won't go as far, even in our low-cost rural county. And we're doing fairly well here. Many of our neighbors will REALLY hurt.

If ya don't got medical insurance, ya don't got premiums. All ya got is the ER.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Can hardly wait to find out.....

infrastructure?
health care, again?
The Wall?
DACA?

what?

Cuts to food stamps, flood insurance, Medicare, Meals on Wheels, TANIF, etc ...

PayGO Act of 2010 is going to trigger.

 

[sr71plt]

Susan Collins spent yesterday blustering back at her constituents (claiming criticism of her has been sexist while one of the leaders of her constituents groups said that 70 percent of those lobbying her are women) that did they think she, a seasoned senator, could be bamboozled to vote for the tax bill through empty promises to her that wouldn't be fulfilled?

The answer came today. Yes, Susan, you were bamboozled into voting for the tax bill by being given promises no one was going to honor.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...romised/ar-BBH5mqO?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

If you weren't a dummy, or weren't just running on lies yourself, you would have known this was what was going to happen. Just another Republican.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Really?

Name one other President who held "Praise and Prayer-Filled" Cabinet Meetings in which everyone has to go around in a circle saying nice things and praising how great he is to his face. Just had another one, with Mike Pence doing ass-kissing duties. We all await your reply--I'd particularly like to see clips of Biden doing the same thing.

Here's some highlights in case you missed it (of course you did)

Ben Carson Says Grace Before Mike Pence Eats Trump’s Ass


In Cabinet meeting, Pence praises Trump once every 12 seconds for three minutes straight

Back in June, President Trump allowed*almost his entire Cabinet to speak, one by one, in praise of him. And praise him they did, with each being more effusive than the last. They called it an “incredible honor” and a “blessing” to serve him. They said they were “humbled” and “privileged” to be part of his team. They talked about how much Americans loved Trump.

At Wednesday's Cabinet meeting, Vice President Pence decided he'd just handle praising Trump for the entire team.

Over nearly three minutes, Pence offered plaudit after plaudit after plaudit, praising Trump's vision, his words, his strategy and his results in light of the passage of tax cuts. By the end, Pence offered 14 separate commendations for Trump in*less than three minutes -- math that works out to one every 12.5 seconds. And each bit of praise was addressed directly to Trump, who was seated directly across the table.
Here's the full list:

“Thank you for seeing, through the course of this year, an agenda that truly is restoring this country.”

“You described it very well, Mr. President.”

“You've restored American credibility on the world stage.”

“You've signed more bills rolling back federal red tape than any president in American history.”

“You've unleashed American energy.”

“You've spurred an optimism in this country that's setting records.”

“You promised the American people in that campaign a year ago that you would deliver historic tax cuts, and it would be a 'middle-class miracle.' And in just a short period of time, that promise will be fulfilled.”

“I’m deeply humbled, as your vice president, to be able to be here."

“Because of your leadership, Mr. President, and because of the strong support of the leadership in the Congress of the United States, you're delivering on that middle-class miracle.”

“You've actually got the Congress to do, as you said, what they couldn’t do with [the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska] for 40 years.”“You got the Congress to do, with tax cuts for working families and American businesses, what they haven’t been able to do for 31 years.”

“And you got Congress to do what they couldn’t do for seven years, in repealing
the individual mandate in Obamacare.”

“Mostly, Mr. President, I’ll end where I began and just tell you, I want to thank you, Mr. President. I want to thank you for speaking on behalf of and fighting every day for the forgotten men and women of America.”

“Because of your determination, because of your leadership, the forgotten men and women of America are forgotten no more. And we are making America great again.”

\

I get Trump, I just don't think he's a Nazi or really any different than the corporate puppets who've held his office for the last 40 years.

 

[sr71plt]

If Biden did it, there would be a mischievous smile on his face that would make you laugh.

 

[someoneyouknow]

For as much as they are part of the problem, even Wall Street traders are grumbling the tax plan favors billionaires above all others:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-12-20/wall-street-traders-grouse-over-trump-tax-plan-video

 

[coati]

OK, here's what comes next now that the Pubs got their tax cuts. Now, they will have to start "reforming social programs", which means cutting entitlement programs for everyone except for rich ranchers and oil companies.

After all, their hands are tied with this deficit-- we simply can't afford the programs any more, they are unsustainable, etc. And besides, now that Obama care has been repealed (Trump's words today), health care costs for the poor will drop rapidly and they won't have to be so dependent on subsidies.

Tim Scott explained today how a poor single mother will be so much better off with Trump's Republican policies. That net increase of a thousand bucks annually for her will cure her family budget problems, and she will be able get a much better job very soon.

It's gonna be great, just great, but we now need to cut these social programs that don't benefit the biggest Republican donors.

 

[sr71plt]

Tim Scott explained today how a poor single mother will be so much better off with Trump's Republican policies. That net increase of a thousand bucks annually for her will cure her family budget problems, and she will be able get a much better job very soon.

I guess after her baby dies from an uncovered illness, her personal budget will look a lot more doable and it will be easier for her to manage a job. If that sounds grossly insensitive, find a Republican congressperson or Trump administration official to talk to.

Call that savvy senator, Susan Collins.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Really?

Name one other President who held "Praise and Prayer-Filled" Cabinet Meetings

Really.

Petty shit that does nothing but send other people like you to the moon?

All of them love to take every chance they get to piss in the other teams shoes, Trump ain't the first and wont be the last to do this kinda shit.

 

[sr71plt]

I wouldn't be surprised if Carter included prayer, but that was another time and he's more genuinely pious. Trump and all of his secretaries are about as fake as you can get. Pence probably believes he's genuine but he's got the brain of a split pea.