Socialism is a crime against humanity

[TastySuckToy]

government that focuses on accumulating individual wealth rather than providing access for all citizens to
health care, nutrition, housing and education will fail.

Government should not be doing any of the above.

Greed has consequences.

If someone wants to be greedy, that's up them.

Part of the design of democracy is intended to manage and protect against the concentration of wealth.

No, it's not. There's nothing wrong with people having wealth.

When wealthy people control government for their own benefit (plutocracy) socialism becomes desirable to the masses.

And I'm against government having any real power over people and society. Get that into practice, problem solved.

 

[colddiesel]

Socialism is stealing from one group of people to give to another.

The United States has been a Social Democracy for the past 94 years - since the Roosveldt reforms of 1932. The USA would have a revolution if they were taken away.

 

[AlexBailey]

Government should not be doing any of the above.

Social democracies do it well and much less expensively than the American model of corporate control. I’m not just whining about “those bad corporate guys”, I’m reflecting on how their first responsibility isn’t to their customers or anyone else besides their shareholders. They increase profits by limiting and denying services, offering the worst deals to the poorest people.

Universal heath care makes a society free to work, free to play, free to conduct business, free from bureaucracy, free from losing everything they’ve earned because they got sick or injured, and it costs less for better results.

If someone wants to be greedy, that's up them.

Sure it is. Some how though we’ve got public infrastructure making it easier for greedy people who then don’t want to contribute, calling it “theft” to have to pay for the services you profit from.

No, it's not. There's nothing wrong with people having wealth.

I never said there was. The problem comes when people hoard resources and real estate, driving up the cost of living for everyone else.

And I'm against government having any real power over people and society. Get that into practice, problem solved.

Yeah. I get you don’t give a shit about anyone but yourself and maybe your family, or maybe other people who look and smell like you.

 

[Wilson23]

Government should not be doing any of the above.

Why not? Government does all that WELL!

 

[TastySuckToy]

Social democracies do it well and much less expensively than the American model of corporate control. I’m not just whining about “those bad corporate guys”, I’m reflecting on how their first responsibility isn’t to their customers or anyone else besides their shareholders. They increase profits by limiting and denying services, offering the worst deals to the poorest people.

An actual free market system would fix this. The problem is the government doesn't allow it.

Universal heath care makes a society free to work, free to play, free to conduct business, free from bureaucracy, free from losing everything they’ve earned because they got sick or injured, and it costs less for better results.

Health care is expensive because of government interference and trying to socialize it. An actual free market system would fix this.

Sure it is. Some how though we’ve got public infrastructure making it easier for greedy people

Public infrastructure...managed by government.

who then don’t want to contribute, calling it “theft” to have to pay for the services you profit from.

When you take resources from people by force, that is theft. Plain and simple.

I never said there was. The problem comes when people hoard resources and real estate, driving up the cost of living for everyone else.

That's because the monetary system is broken, thanks to government. Are you seeing the pattern yet?

I get you don’t give a shit about anyone but yourself and maybe your family,

Correct. It's not my job to babysit you or anyone else in society.

 

[Wilson23]

An actual free market system would fix this. The problem is the government doesn't allow it.

The U.S. HAD something close to a pure free-market system in the 19th Century. It never did fix any of that.

 

[Wilson23]

Health care is expensive because of government interference and trying to socialize it.

THAT is a LIE!

 

[alexgriffin74]

Public infrastructure...managed by government.

It is almost quaint that you think that. Mostly stupid. But a touch of quaint.

 

[coati]

Private health insurance corporations had their chance to make health care affordable. They blew it, because of their. greed

After the Pig completely crashes the American economy, it's time to quit screwing around with subsidizing health insurance corporations and instead offer Medicare as a baseline option to anyone who needs it.

 

[TastySuckToy]

It is almost quaint that you think that.

If you want to suggest government is even more useless than what I suggest, I'm all for it.

 

[AlexBailey]

An actual free market system would fix this. The problem is the government doesn't allow it.

That was your response to this:

Social democracies do it well and much less expensively than the American model of corporate control. I’m not just whining about “those bad corporate guys”, I’m reflecting on how their first responsibility isn’t to their customers or anyone else besides their shareholders. They increase profits by limiting and denying services, offering the worst deals to the poorest people.

How would a free market system change primary corporate responsibility to customers over shareholders?

What would incentivize insurers to provide high quality coverage to customers who can’t afford high premiums?

What sort of free market system do you envision that would be cheaper and provide better care?

Health care is expensive because of government interference and trying to socialize it. An actual free market system would fix this.

If this were true, why are systems with more government involvement so much cheaper and provide better coverage than the US?


I’m listening. What do you have to say that makes sense and isn’t just a conservative pipe dream?

 

[jbeardo1]

A lot of " socialist" countries like venezuela are kleptocratic power centric asset stripping , leaders group personal wealth enhancing setups that are dressed up as a social democratic, or " left" leaning government's, while in actual fact being further right in their behaviour that some central European 1940s countries who enjoyed warner and wearing Hugo boss overcoats.

Venezuela should be Norway if they had a proper functioning social democratic government.

Like Jimmy Carr the comedian said about socialism / communism. " right system, wrong species"

Be like bonobos people, not chimpanzees

 

[Wilson23]

A lot of " socialist" countries like venezuela are kleptocratic power centric asset stripping , leaders group personal wealth enhancing setups that are dressed up as a social democratic, or " left" leaning government's, while in actual fact being further right in their behaviour that some central European 1940s countries who enjoyed warner and wearing Hugo boss overcoats.

Venezuela should be Norway if they had a proper functioning social democratic government.

Like Jimmy Carr the comedian said about socialism / communism. " right system, wrong species"

Be like bonobos people, not chimpanzees

That all has nothing to do with socialism. ANY political system could be corrupt that way.

 

[TastySuckToy]

What do you have to say that makes sense and isn’t just a conservative pipe dream?

If you don't understand the principle of free market competition, I can't help you.

 

[Wilson23]

If you don't understand the principle of free market competition, I can't help you.

It's easy to understand it. But it never does what you say it will do.

 

[jbeardo1]

That all has nothing to do with socialism. ANY political system could be corrupt that way.

Original poster cited Venezuela as an example as to what happens when a country turns to socialism. I was merely pointing out that most socialist countries aren't really socialist by the definition of pure socialism, or even what most of Europe call social democrats

Also different parts of the world understand socialism to be slightly different things.

so saying ANY political system can be corrupted is akin to saying we breathe air.

Of course it can. I think the point is, that historically since the start of the 20th century countries that have more socialist leaning policies, when enacted by a democratically elected responsible government that is accountable to, and operated by and for the people, have better standards of living for a greater proportion of their populace.


As long, as your metric for living standards are not solely based on how much money they earn.

I.e. low cost economy with low wages but high trust and engagement in government who works for them and provides a social safety net to which everyone contributes in a progressive taxation system is surely infinitely better than " f the poor people and low paid workers, tax break the billionaires" or " yes comrade, we own alllllllll the everything"

But the wonderous thing about the Internet is, that this is my opinion based on my lived experience in my part of the world.

User experience may vary according to location

 

[LLCox]

trump is a crime against humanity.

 

[AlexBailey]

If you don't understand the principle of free market competition, I can't help you.

Given the chance with an open audience you can’t make a cogent case.


Really. How does the free market work when people have emergencies? Do you make calls and negotiate with different ambulance companies and emergency rooms?

What happens if you’re traveling?

On the macro scale, young healthy people and families won’t pay for expensive policies which means they won’t have coverage for catastrophic issues.

What business model will insure people with preexisting conditions at a reasonable price?

Quality hospitals require huge investments. It’s kind of like the market that supports airports. They work best in large population centers and coordinated with lots of public infrastructure.

Look dude. You obviously haven’t thought this out beyond catch phrases and your own situation.. If you do respond with anything intelligent it will be someone else’s thoughts, quoting right wing shills.

Prove me wrong. Prove you aren’t just a vapid troll.

Give an intelligent answer or prove that you’re still just fapping.

 

[coati]

The Pig and his legion of brainwashed MAGAts are doing a great job of setting the stage for the rise of democratic socialism in the USA.

Next steps: they expand war actions, fuck with the midterm elections, accelerate chaos, and run the economy into the ditch.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Give an intelligent answer

Given you just again demonstrated you don't understand free market competition ("but...but...different needs!?!"), not much point in trying to explain to you.

 

[AlexBailey]

Given you just again demonstrated you don't understand free market competition ("but...but...different needs!?!"), not much point in trying to explain to you.

Coward.


You can’t even make an intelligent point.

 

[icanhelp1]

An actual free market system would fix this. The problem is the government doesn't allow it.

EXACTLY!!

Health care is expensive because of government interference and trying to socialize it. An actual free market system would fix this.

Market forces and competition equal things out.

Public infrastructure...managed by government.

When you take resources from people by force, that is theft. Plain and simple.

Taking hard earned money from hard working people and giving it to people who don't deserve it is wealth redistribution. Politicians are corrupt as the day is long!!

That's because the monetary system is broken, thanks to government. Are you seeing the pattern yet?

YUP. Trump is trying to destroy the world bank which is a good thing, more corruption on steroids.

Correct. It's not my job to babysit you or anyone else in society.

Social programs have a place in our capiltalistic form of government but funding illegals, lazy or people who fall outside the rules and regulations of said program is against the constitution.

 

[AlexBailey]

Market forces and competition equal things out.

What’s your explanation for how a free market would improve the quality and access to medical care?

 

[icanhelp1]

What’s your explanation for how a free market would improve the quality and access to medical care?

It's federal laws and policies over the last half century that has dominated health care programs and are responsible for soaring cost. Free markets could drive down prices. A complex issue but it starts with the cost of educating medical professional. If the government wants to help give tax breaks and low interest loans to college students. Let the states run their healthcare programs. Choice,,, choice... CHOICE is the secret sauce. Providing more choice and tailoring health insurance to the needs of individual would be a great step forward. Too complex for a porn site.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Market forces and competition equal things out.

The smartphone market is a good example of how the most sophisticated and advanced technology operates in a free market.

Drop the delusion that every person will get the absolute top of the line and most expensive available resource, and the market floods with a wide spectrum of choices that caters to people's needs and affordability scales.

And nobody is forced to pay for anyone else's phone.

Simple, basic common sense which, if certain individuals cannot comprehend, there's no point in even trying to explain it to them.