The Contribution of Undocumented Immigrants

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[reprint from a different thread which had wondered off-topic]

"The impact of immigration on our public health is often overlooked. Although millions of visitors for tourism and business come every year, the foreign population of special concern is illegal residents, who come most often from countries with endemic health problems and less developed health care. They are of greatest consequence because they are responsible for a disproportionate share of serious public health problems, are living among us for extended periods of time, and often are dependent on U.S. health care services.

Public Health Risks
Because illegal immigrants, unlike those who are legally admitted for permanent residence, undergo no medical screening to assure that they are not bearing contagious diseases, the rapidly swelling population of illegal aliens in our country has also set off a resurgence of contagious diseases that had been totally or nearly eradicated by our public health system.

According to Dr. Laurence Nickey, director of the El Paso heath district “Contagious diseases that are generally considered to have been controlled in the United States are readily evident along the border ... The incidence of tuberculosis in El Paso County is twice that of the U.S. rate. Dr. Nickey also states that leprosy, which is considered by most Americans to be a disease of the Third World, is readily evident along the U.S.-Mexico border and that dysentery is several times the U.S. rate ... People have come to the border for economic opportunities, but the necessary sewage treatment facilities, public water systems, environmental enforcement, and medical care have not been made available to them, causing a severe risk to health and well being of people on both sides of the border.”1

“The pork tapeworm, which thrives in Latin America and Mexico, is showing up along the U.S. border, threatening to ravage victims with symptoms ranging from seizures to death. ... The same [Mexican] underclass has migrated north to find jobs on the border, bringing the parasite and the sickness—cysticercosis—its eggs can cause[.] Cysts that form around the larvae usually lodge in the brain and destroy tissue, causing hallucinations, speech and vision problems, severe headaches, strokes, epileptic seizures, and in rare cases death.”2

The problem, however, is not confined to the border region, as illegal immigrants have rapidly spread across the country into many new economic sectors such as food processing, construction, and hospitality services.

Typhoid struck Silver Spring, Maryland, in 1992 when an immigrant from the Third World (who had been working in food service in the United States for almost two years) transmitted the bacteria through food at the McDonald’s where she worked. River blindness, malaria, and guinea worm, have all been brought to Northern Virginia by immigration.3

By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease."“What is unseen is their [illegal aliens’] free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities, and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospitals are closing their doors.”—Madeleine Peiner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq. “Illegal Aliens and American Medicine,” Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Spring 2005

Contrary to common belief, tuberculosis (TB) has not been wiped out in the United States, mostly due to illegal migration. In 1995, there was an outbreak of TB in an Alexandria high school, when 36 high-school students caught the disease from a foreign student.4 The four greatest immigrant magnet states have over half the TB cases in the U.S.5 In 1992, 27 percent of the TB cases in the United States were among the foreign-born; in California, it was 61 percent of the cases; in Hawaii, 83 percent; and in Washington state, 46 percent. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants.

Costs of Medical Care
Immigrants are often uninsured and underinsured. Forty-three percent of noncitizens under 65 have no health insurance. That means there are 9.4 million uninsured immigrants, a majority of whom are in the country illegally, constituting 15 percent of the total uninsured in the nation in the mid-1990s.6 The cost of the medical care of these uninsured immigrants is passed onto the taxpayer, and strains the financial stability of the health care community.

Another problem is immigrants’ use of hospital and emergency services rather than preventative medical care. For example, utilization rate of hospitals and clinics by illegal aliens (29 percent) is more than twice the rate of the overall U.S. population (11 percent).7

As a result, the costs of medical care for immigrants are staggering. The estimated cost of unreimbursed medical care in 2004 in California was about $1.4 billion per year. In Texas, the estimated cost was about $.85 billion, and in Arizona the comparable estimate was $.4 billion per year.8

One of the frequent costs to U.S. taxpayers is delivery of babies to illegal alien mothers. A California study put the number of these anchor baby deliveries in the state in 1994 at 74,987, at a cost of $215 million. At that time, those births constituted 36 percent of all Medi-Cal births, and they have grown now to substantially more than half or the annual Medi-Cal budget. In 2003, 70 percent of the 2,300 babies born in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies. Medical in 2003 had 760,000 illegal alien beneficiaries, up from 2002, when there were 470,000.9

Endnotes
Statement on behalf of the American Medical Association to the Committee on Public Works and Transportation, U.S. House of Representatives, May 7, 1991.
Houston Chronicle, November 3, 1992.
Influx of Exotic Diseases Keep Doctors Hopping,” Fairfax Journal, May 8, 1992.
"Health officials say there is a correlation between increases in tuberculosis cases in recent years and the influx of residents from countries where disease prevention is substandard.” “36 Students in Alexandria Test Positive for TB Exposure,” Washington Post, June 8, 1995.
"Taking it to the Streets" Los Angeles Times, October 2, 1993.
Employee Benefit Research Group study, January 1995. “The study suggests the very high degree to which that population [illegal aliens] is contributing to uncompensated costs.” EBRI President Dallas Salisbury, Washington Post, January 25, 1995.
Assessment of Potential Impact of Undocumented Person on National Health Reform, National Health Foundation, April 14, 1993.
See FAIR publications.
Madeleine Peiner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq. “Illegal Aliens and American Medicine,” Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Spring 2005."
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters64bf
 
johnnycornbeef said:
So who the fuck is going to hang my dry wall, smart guy?

It's total bullshit that the only people who will do work around the house and yard are, by necessity, illegally in the United States.

If you use a service, such as LaborReady or WorkForce, not only do they screen workers to ensure that they are legally allowed to work, but they provide Workers Comp coverage so you won't be sued by some illegal alien with a phony slip-and-fall injury! Most, but not all, of the workers are Latinos, but they are people who have gone through the process, pay their fair share of taxes, and are guaranteed to be up to the task for which they are hired. The cost difference is minimal.
 
Well.

Is this...documentation of what's undocumented?

Kinda a paradox there, huh?
 
Recidiva said:
Well.

Is this...documentation of what's undocumented?

Kinda a paradox there, huh?

Like a list of unwritten rules?
 
Karen Kraft said:
It's total bullshit that the only people who will do work around the house and yard are, by necessity, illegally in the United States.

If you use a service, such as LaborReady or WorkForce, not only do they screen workers to ensure that they are legally allowed to work, but they provide Workers Comp coverage so you won't be sued by some illegal alien with a phony slip-and-fall injury! Most, but not all, of the workers are Latinos, but they are people who have gone through the process, pay their fair share of taxes, and are guaranteed to be up to the task for which they are hired. The cost difference is minimal.
This is an excellent point.

If you're against illegal immigration, you better not be hiring illegals to do yardwork/construction/clean the house/watch the kids. There are enough construction companies in most regions that you could easily screen for one that only hires those who can work legally.
 
johnnycornbeef said:
So who the fuck is going to hang my dry wall, smart guy?
Thats just the attitude, that's why we won't fix this problem.
 
They Never Break Any Laws Except Unfair Laws.

"Gee," Said Sally, "The Agency called and they said that, with the new crackdown on European girls, they have to charge us $40 per hour for a babysitter!"

"Uh, that sucks," replied Sam, not really listening.

"But I heard from a guy at work that you can find really cheap babysitters by going to the middle school playground after school hours -- they hang around watching the girls in the drill team practice," Sally said, mostly to herself, "and they only charge about ten bucks an hour to look after our girls!"

"Ten bucks, eh?" Sam mumbled, hoping some response would shut Sally up -- at least until halftime.

"Yeppers on that one, Sammikins!" Sally chirped. "Ten is a lot better than $40, yes-no-maybe, Sammmmmyyyy?"

"Uh, thirty. Difference is thirty dollars, Sal."

"Okays then! I'll go pick up one of them guys and they can watch our girls when we go out tonight, yeah?"

"Yeah; you go, I'm, you know, like busy watching the game; we got any beer?"

http://wcco.com/local/Reyes.Salazar.Clara.2.368439.html
 
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Karen Kraft said:
It's total bullshit that the only people who will do work around the house and yard are, by necessity, illegally in the United States.
Nope, but they'll for damn sure do it cheaper, and maybe better if they have to rely on word of mouth for business.
 
Karen makes a damn good point here. How many hospitals in California have had to shut down from the illegals not paying up? hmmmm?

I do not believe the myth that they are doing the "jobs Americans will not do"

I, for one, fully support the border fence idea or perhaps we could develop some sort of para-military force with some actual authority to stop, not just stem, but stop the flow of illegal aliens. The Border Patrol do good work. Let us untie their hands and let them do the job they were meant to do!

How about the Minutemen eh? let them have a go at this, provide them with weapons and equipment and turn them loose.
 
I wonder where Mona15 is...I would think that the bleeding heart would be here beating her breast and asking us to think about "the children"

Leftist.
 
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johnnycornbeef said:
So who the fuck is going to hang my dry wall, smart guy?

Here's a list from which you may pick your favorite drywall hanger:


Humberto Gabriel Zamora — On July 10, 2003, ICE agents in Minnesota arrested Zamora, a Mexican who was living under an alias in Willmar, Minn. He had been convicted of first degree sexual abuse involving a 15-year-old girl in March 2001. He was deported to Mexico in April 2001. He subsequently re-entered the country illegally and moved to Willmar, where he began working under another name.

27 child predators arrested in Florida — On July 24, 2003, ICE agents in Miami arrested 25 men convicted of sexually abusing children and 2 women convicted of child abuse or endangerment. ICE agents had targeted for arrest Bayardo Rafael Chamarro, a Nicaraguan national who was a registered sex offender and who had evaded law enforcement efforts to deport him. As they prepared to arrest him, Chamarro was caught groping a 12-year-old girl in a Sears department store. He was subsequently charged with lewd and lascivious molestation on a child under the age of 16. Chamarro had been charged previously with similar crimes against minors and was a registered sex offender under Megan’s Law.

50 alien child predators arrested in Maryland — On August 13, 2003, ICE agents in Baltimore announced the arrest of 50 aliens who had been convicted of sexual offenses involving minors, but had evaded deportation. Among those arrested were a summer camp employee convicted of molesting three pre-pubescent sisters.

13 alien child predators arrested in Colorado — On September 13, 2003, ICE agents in Denver announced the arrest of 13 aliens who had been convicted of sexual offenses against minors, but had subsequently evaded deportation. Among those arrested was Pedro Gutierrez-Lozano, a Mexican national convicted in 1999 of 2nd degree sexual assault on a mentally impaired minor. Gutierrez was deported to Mexico in 2000 after serving his 180-day jail sentence. He returned to the United States illegally and began living in Colorado until his arrest by ICE agents.

Ramon Amador — On September 13, 2003, ICE officers arrested Ramon Amador, 53, a man wanted in Minnesota on charges of raping a 9-year-old, when he applied for U.S. immigration benefits in California. A background check revealed that Amador was a wanted fugitive.

— On September 16, 2003, a federal judge in Newark sentenced Rafael Ruiz, a Dominican national, to 44 months imprisonment for operating a house of prostitution in Plainfield, N.J. He was involved in a ring that smuggled female juveniles from Mexico into the United States and then held them to work as prostitutes against their will. ICE agents closed down the trafficking ring.

Fritz Laguerre –On September 16, 2003, ICE agents in West Palm, Florida arrested Fritz Laguerre based on an outstanding deportation order. Laguerre, a citizen of Haiti, had been arrested by the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office in July 2002 for raping his 12-year-old daughter. Laguerre had subsequently evaded ICE efforts to deport him.

Julio Cesar Rabago-Magana — In March 2005, ICE deported a Mexican illegal alien who had been convicted of raping a 4-year-old boy in the basement of Mercado Central in Minneapolis. Rabago-Magana asked the boy to help him carry boxes to a basement storeroom. The boy agreed, but when they entered the room, Rabago-Magana sexually assaulted him. Rabago-Magana pleaded guilty to first-degree criminal sexual conduct. After serving his sentence, removal officers deported him to Mexico six days later.

12 criminal alien child sex predators arrested in Calif. — On May 4, 2005, 60-year-old Martin Salgado-Rivera, a Mexican national with a criminal history that spans three decades, was one of twelve foreign child sex predators arrested in southern Santa Clara County, Calif. Salgado-Rivera’s criminal past includes convictions for the rape and molestation of several minors. His arrest was part of a daylong operation targeting convicted alien sex offenders who now face deportation.

47 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in N.Y. – October 25, 2005, thirty–six of the offenders were in the U.S. illegally, and fourteen were legal permanent residents. All were foreign-born and had been convicted of rape, sodomy, assault with intent to cause physical injury, sexual abuse and sexual misconduct, endangering the welfare of a child, reckless endangerment, coarse sex conduct and possessing a sexual performance by a child. One victim was only 3 years old.

8 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in Washington, D.C. –- Dec. 2005, ICE Agents arrested 8 criminal alien sex offenders in Washington, D.C. and Virginia over a period of three days. All are citizens or nationals of El Salvador, Honduras, and Mexico who have previously been convicted of sex crimes against children — including rape, statutory assault on a child, aggravated sexual battery, sexual abuse, and indecent liberties.

Gasper Almilcar Guzman — July 10, 2006, In Sayre, Pa., the Evening Times reported he was among a group of men who were found July 10 to be in this country illegally following a routine traffic stop in Athens Township. Guzman had been convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl in Alabama in 2005. Guzman was deported before he could begin serving his five-year sentence.

Miguel Gutierrez — July 13, In Noblesville, Ind., the 20-year old illegal alien faces two counts of rape for taking a 14-year-old into a garage and participating in a four-man gang rape on the girl. Following the gang rape, the girl was forced into a car and raped again, according to news reports.

Sinoe Salgado Garcia – July 21, a 28-year-old Fontana, Calif., man convicted of kidnapping and raping a 4-year-old girl, was sentenced to a 30-years-to-life prison term, according to the Riverside Press Enterprise. The child was found hours later inside a shed, thrown over a 6-foot-tall block wall, investigators said. She underwent surgery to repair damage caused by the rape and sodomy, court records show. The site reported that she also suffered three facial fractures.

25 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in Los Angeles – August 24, 2006, four of the offenders, two Salvadorans, a Honduran and a Mexican, previously had been deported from the U.S. A fifth man, Alejandro Rodriguez Villegas, 50, convicted of lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14, also faces criminal charges but remains on the loose.

45 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in New York — Nov. 29, 2006, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and officers of the New York City Department of Probation, arrested 45 child predators and criminal alien sex offenders in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Manhattan.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
One day you're going to stop relying solely on ultra-conservative front organizations for research.

then again...

Dispute the facts or shut the fuck up clown.

Ishmael
 
The politicians running for office on Tuesday could end this problem in their first year in office but they won't.

It gives them too much division and fear to use against us in the form of more privacy invasion, national I.D.s, more "funding" stripped from our labor, and keeping them in power.

But then again, we don't want to think about this on November 6th.

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Karen Kraft said:
Here's a list from which you may pick your favorite drywall hanger:


Humberto Gabriel Zamora — On July 10, 2003, ICE agents in Minnesota arrested Zamora, a Mexican who was living under an alias in Willmar, Minn. He had been convicted of first degree sexual abuse involving a 15-year-old girl in March 2001. He was deported to Mexico in April 2001. He subsequently re-entered the country illegally and moved to Willmar, where he began working under another name.

27 child predators arrested in Florida — On July 24, 2003, ICE agents in Miami arrested 25 men convicted of sexually abusing children and 2 women convicted of child abuse or endangerment. ICE agents had targeted for arrest Bayardo Rafael Chamarro, a Nicaraguan national who was a registered sex offender and who had evaded law enforcement efforts to deport him. As they prepared to arrest him, Chamarro was caught groping a 12-year-old girl in a Sears department store. He was subsequently charged with lewd and lascivious molestation on a child under the age of 16. Chamarro had been charged previously with similar crimes against minors and was a registered sex offender under Megan’s Law.

50 alien child predators arrested in Maryland — On August 13, 2003, ICE agents in Baltimore announced the arrest of 50 aliens who had been convicted of sexual offenses involving minors, but had evaded deportation. Among those arrested were a summer camp employee convicted of molesting three pre-pubescent sisters.

13 alien child predators arrested in Colorado — On September 13, 2003, ICE agents in Denver announced the arrest of 13 aliens who had been convicted of sexual offenses against minors, but had subsequently evaded deportation. Among those arrested was Pedro Gutierrez-Lozano, a Mexican national convicted in 1999 of 2nd degree sexual assault on a mentally impaired minor. Gutierrez was deported to Mexico in 2000 after serving his 180-day jail sentence. He returned to the United States illegally and began living in Colorado until his arrest by ICE agents.

Ramon Amador — On September 13, 2003, ICE officers arrested Ramon Amador, 53, a man wanted in Minnesota on charges of raping a 9-year-old, when he applied for U.S. immigration benefits in California. A background check revealed that Amador was a wanted fugitive.

— On September 16, 2003, a federal judge in Newark sentenced Rafael Ruiz, a Dominican national, to 44 months imprisonment for operating a house of prostitution in Plainfield, N.J. He was involved in a ring that smuggled female juveniles from Mexico into the United States and then held them to work as prostitutes against their will. ICE agents closed down the trafficking ring.

Fritz Laguerre –On September 16, 2003, ICE agents in West Palm, Florida arrested Fritz Laguerre based on an outstanding deportation order. Laguerre, a citizen of Haiti, had been arrested by the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office in July 2002 for raping his 12-year-old daughter. Laguerre had subsequently evaded ICE efforts to deport him.

Julio Cesar Rabago-Magana — In March 2005, ICE deported a Mexican illegal alien who had been convicted of raping a 4-year-old boy in the basement of Mercado Central in Minneapolis. Rabago-Magana asked the boy to help him carry boxes to a basement storeroom. The boy agreed, but when they entered the room, Rabago-Magana sexually assaulted him. Rabago-Magana pleaded guilty to first-degree criminal sexual conduct. After serving his sentence, removal officers deported him to Mexico six days later.

12 criminal alien child sex predators arrested in Calif. — On May 4, 2005, 60-year-old Martin Salgado-Rivera, a Mexican national with a criminal history that spans three decades, was one of twelve foreign child sex predators arrested in southern Santa Clara County, Calif. Salgado-Rivera’s criminal past includes convictions for the rape and molestation of several minors. His arrest was part of a daylong operation targeting convicted alien sex offenders who now face deportation.

47 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in N.Y. – October 25, 2005, thirty–six of the offenders were in the U.S. illegally, and fourteen were legal permanent residents. All were foreign-born and had been convicted of rape, sodomy, assault with intent to cause physical injury, sexual abuse and sexual misconduct, endangering the welfare of a child, reckless endangerment, coarse sex conduct and possessing a sexual performance by a child. One victim was only 3 years old.

8 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in Washington, D.C. –- Dec. 2005, ICE Agents arrested 8 criminal alien sex offenders in Washington, D.C. and Virginia over a period of three days. All are citizens or nationals of El Salvador, Honduras, and Mexico who have previously been convicted of sex crimes against children — including rape, statutory assault on a child, aggravated sexual battery, sexual abuse, and indecent liberties.

Gasper Almilcar Guzman — July 10, 2006, In Sayre, Pa., the Evening Times reported he was among a group of men who were found July 10 to be in this country illegally following a routine traffic stop in Athens Township. Guzman had been convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl in Alabama in 2005. Guzman was deported before he could begin serving his five-year sentence.

Miguel Gutierrez — July 13, In Noblesville, Ind., the 20-year old illegal alien faces two counts of rape for taking a 14-year-old into a garage and participating in a four-man gang rape on the girl. Following the gang rape, the girl was forced into a car and raped again, according to news reports.

Sinoe Salgado Garcia – July 21, a 28-year-old Fontana, Calif., man convicted of kidnapping and raping a 4-year-old girl, was sentenced to a 30-years-to-life prison term, according to the Riverside Press Enterprise. The child was found hours later inside a shed, thrown over a 6-foot-tall block wall, investigators said. She underwent surgery to repair damage caused by the rape and sodomy, court records show. The site reported that she also suffered three facial fractures.

25 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in Los Angeles – August 24, 2006, four of the offenders, two Salvadorans, a Honduran and a Mexican, previously had been deported from the U.S. A fifth man, Alejandro Rodriguez Villegas, 50, convicted of lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14, also faces criminal charges but remains on the loose.

45 criminal alien sex offenders arrested in New York — Nov. 29, 2006, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and officers of the New York City Department of Probation, arrested 45 child predators and criminal alien sex offenders in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Manhattan.

Oh, and before you pro-illegal-alien nut-jobs point out that it was not their illegal status that made them perverts, keep in mind (if you have one) the following:

EVERY COUNTRY HAS PERVERTS.

WE DEAL WITH OURS.

... AND NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIRS!


The End.
 
Karen Kraft said:
Gee, Herrie. You know wot ilegal meens? Can you say ill eagle ?
1) I was trying to make a point - I should have used the word "undocumented", I guess most people missed the irony.

2) The problem is not so much that we have illegal or undocumented immigrants, it is that we assert that we need to pay for their health care (or anybody's health care for that matter).

My family hired "undocumented" immigrants from Mexico for decades to work on our farm. They were very hard and productive workers. That is what 99% of them wanted - just a chance to work for a decent wage (we paid them the same as anybody else - but we did give them preference over others because they worked harder and were more dependable).

If there are health problems then we need to address those, but I would rather pay someone who does productive work than pay them (actually, most of it goes to the politicians) bribe money (in the form of foreign aid) to stay in their own country.
 
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