The Fundamental Principles of this Great Nation Would be in Jeopardy

[RobDownSouth]

Not necessary.

I posted my views on the topic of this thread -- in ordinary discussion format -- and was told that I was simply a wiki cut-and-paste person.

Fine.

Lavender is nothing but a cut-and-paste poster, by the exact same logic, supported by the exact same facts.

Got it?

Bullshit.

You attempted to discredit Lavy's post with some foolish cut-and-paste wikitwittery.

When you got called on it, you couldn't play your usual misogyny card because Lavy lacks a peener, so you bailed out, braying loudly as you left.

 

[hogjack]

Lavender is nothing but a cut-and-paste poster, by the exact same logic, supported by the exact same facts.

Got it?

Confirmed.

 

[Karen Kraft]

"Sarah Palin is like the founding fathers".

LMAO...

WUT???

Point 1: The founders were literate.

2: The founders are ROLLING IN THEIR GRAVES about the "Patriot Act", something Palin totally supports.

3. The Founders sent a CLEAR MESSAGE about SEPERATION of Church and State. The word "god" is NEVER mentioned in the Constitution.

4. The Founders hated big powerful centralized government. The entire reason the USA was founded was because of hatred for the King and his taxation without representation, and other rules he tried to enforce upon the colonists. Sarah LOVES taking TAX MONEY from all 49 other states and funneling it to Alaska. Alaska IS the biggest WELFARE STATE in the USA.

5. The Founders were for diplomacy above all. They even remained diplomatic with the Canadians after the White House got burned down. Sarah, on the other hand, is in favor of 4th grade-like "snubbing" of any Nation that disagrees with her fanatical beliefs.

6. I tried to think of one thing that she was actually in agreement with the Founders on, but I couldn't.

Yeah, well, see.... we didn't get into the discussion yet.

I had my point of view and was ready to discuss it.

But not being part of the yeah-yeah! rally, my contributions were dismissed as cut-and-paste wiki -- with the statement that I was an example of all that is wrong with public education in America.

So.... there's no need for discussion on the topic -- unless "discussion" is limited to agreeing with the OP and nothing more.

Enjoy the thread. As long as there are no views presented that might disagree with the OP, all should go quite smoothly which, of course, was the goal of starting the thread in the first place.

It was my mistake to have erroneously presumed that the topic was open for discussion -- not merely yeah-yeah.

My bad.

As you were.

 

[Odd_ball]

Yeah, well, see.... we didn't get into the discussion yet.

I had my point of view and was ready to discuss it.

But not being part of the yeah-yeah! rally, my contributions were dismissed as cut-and-paste wiki -- with the statement that I was an example of all that is wrong with public education in America.

So.... there's no need for discussion on the topic -- unless "discussion" is limited to agreeing with the OP and nothing more.

Enjoy the thread. As long as there are no views presented that might disagree with the OP, all should go quite smoothly which, of course, was the goal of starting the thread in the first place.

It was my mistake to have erroneously presumed that the topic was open for discussion -- not merely yeah-yeah.

My bad.

As you were.

I will agree that Obama isn't like the founders, either.

As for a pissing contest of "who is more like the founders", it's actually irrelevant since a lot has changed in 200 years.

 

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[Karen Kraft]

I will agree that Obama isn't like the founders, either.

As for a pissing contest of "who is more like the founders", it's actually irrelevant since a lot has changed in 200 years.

But you see, one can compare the platform of the two parties as they presently are, compare these thoughts with the Federalist Papers and other documents written by- or available to- the founding fathers, and address what seemed to be the topic of the thread.

But this is nothing but an "us versus them" thread, akin to a BB thread, in fact.

Anybody who might wish to disagree with the initial post is, by definition, a cut-and-paste wiki poster.

There you have it. Everyone is in agreement, so there isn't any need for discussion.

Pie is better.

 

[Odd_ball]

But you see, one can compare the platform of the two parties as they presently are, compare these thoughts with the Federalist Papers and other documents written by- or available to- the founding fathers, and address what seemed to be the topic of the thread.

But this is nothing but an "us versus them" thread, akin to a BB thread, in fact.

Anybody who might wish to disagree with the initial post is, by definition, a cut-and-paste wiki poster.

There you have it. Everyone is in agreement, so there isn't any need for discussion.

Pie is better.

Regardless, to say Palin is "like the founders" is ridiculous.

As for the "Party platform", we all know there is only ONE "true" Republican out there who actually follows the platform. And it ain't McCain or Palin.

 

[Shagly]

Remember the golden rule.

He who has the gold rules.

 

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[Odd_ball]

They won't let Pat back in though.

Haha...no, Pat Robertson goes directly against real Republicanism.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Regardless, to say Palin is "like the founders" is ridiculous.

As for the "Party platform", we all know there is only ONE "true" Republican out there who actually follows the platform. And it ain't McCain or Palin.

But why bother discussing it with me? I have nothing to offer.

What I said that was so offensive was that Palin’s political ideas are more in line with classical liberal thought – supporting free enterprise, property rights, laissez-faire economics, right to contract, and opposed to the welfare state. Where the founding fathers supported equality before the law, they thought that economic inequality from competing in a free market would not justify redistribution of wealth by the government. This would be a closer match, I think, to Sarah Palin than Barack Obama. Whether I’m right or wrong – it was on topic. The response that I was the poster girl for bad education and wiki cut-and-paste shows Lavender’s inability to deal with anyone but those who agree with her. Then, of course, the hippos all showed up to the yeah!-yeah! rally.

Since I might not be in total agreement with the OP, I must be in the wrong thread! It's all about segregation, you know. I belong in the right wing threads. I should have known that.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Regardless, to say Palin is "like the founders" is ridiculous.

As for the "Party platform", we all know there is only ONE "true" Republican out there who actually follows the platform. And it ain't McCain or Palin.

But that's not the discussion, O_b. The discussion is about anyone who might disagree with the OP has nothing to say, since everything they always say must, by simple definition, be wiki cut-and-paste.

If you disagree with the initial post, you too are a cut-and-paste wiki person, and that will be confirmed by all of those at the yeah-yeah rally. Try it.

 

[Odd_ball]

But why bother discussing it with me? I have nothing to offer.

What I said that was so offensive was that Palin’s political ideas are more in line with classical liberal thought – supporting free enterprise, property rights, laissez-faire economics, right to contract, and opposed to the welfare state. Where the founding fathers supported equality before the law, they thought that economic inequality from competing in a free market would not justify redistribution of wealth by the government. This would be a closer match, I think, to Sarah Palin than Barack Obama. Whether I’m right or wrong – it was on topic. The response that I was the poster girl for bad education and wiki cut-and-paste shows Lavender’s inability to deal with anyone but those who agree with her. Then, of course, the hippos all showed up to the yeah!-yeah! rally.

Since I might not be in total agreement with the OP, I must be in the wrong thread! It's all about segregation, you know. I belong in the right wing threads. I should have known that.

1: Supporting "free enterprise": BUZZZZZ! Wrong. Alaska supports corporate welfare to the extreme. They have never built one pipeline or oil field without tax dollars.

2. Supporting property rights: Palin is currently in trouble over the land she had a hockey rink built on (with tax dollars).

3. Free market economics: (I refuse to type in French ) Not really. Free markets do not take more money from the government than any other state.

4. Right to contract: like the "brdige to nowhere contract"? She kept the money and built a road , instead. Again with tax money.

5. The biggest whopper of all: "opposed to the welfare state". Karen. How can you even be serious? Really?? I mean, REALLY????

You do realize that just being a citizen of Alaska gets you over $1,000 a year in other state's tax money, don't you? For doing absolutely nothing other than being a citizen of the state.

Now, you know me, and should know that I am more than capable, (even to an annoying degree) of making my own judgements about people.

 

[Shagly]

1: Supporting "free enterprise": BUZZZZZ! Wrong. Alaska supports corporate welfare to the extreme. They have never built one pipeline or oil field without tax dollars.

2. Supporting property rights: Palin is currently in trouble over the land she had a hockey rink built on (with tax dollars).

3. Free market economics: (I refuse to type in French ) Not really. Free markets do not take more money from the government than any other state.

4. Right to contract: like the "brdige to nowhere contract"? She kept the money and built a road , instead. Again with tax money.

5. The biggest whopper of all: "opposed to the welfare state". Karen. How can you even be serious? Really?? I mean, REALLY????
You do realize that just being a citizen of Alaska gets you over $1,000 a year in other state's tax money, don't you? For doing absolutely nothing other than being a citizen of the state.

Now, you know me, and should know that I am more than capable, (even to an annoying degree) of making my own judgements about people.

Just think of all of the oil we could get in the lower 48 States by going wild drilling for oil in Alaska.

Exxon knows for sure.

 

[Odd_ball]

Just think of all of the oil we could get in the lower 48 States by going wild drilling for oil in Alaska.

Exxon knows for sure.

Not much. For one, those fields are in the ARCTIC CIRCLE. For 11 months out of the year they are -40 F with blizzards.

Point 2: Alaskan oil is subpar quality to even Canadian oil sands.

Point 3: It's more economical to just ship the oil to China. Which we currently do.

Point 4: The US doesn't have enough refinery capability on the West coast if we were to somehow magically rely on Alaska to fix all our oil woes.

Point 5: Terrible idea to encourage further oil comsumption, when we should be concentrating all out efforts on alternatives to fossil fuels.

 

[Shagly]

Not much. For one, those fields are in the ARCTIC CIRCLE. For 11 months out of the year they are -40 F with blizzards.

Point 2: Alaskan oil is subpar quality to even Canadian oil sands.

Point 3: It's more economical to just ship the oil to China. Which we currently do.

Point 4: The US doesn't have enough refinery capability on the West coast if we were to somehow magically rely on Alaska to fix all our oil woes.

Point 5: Terrible idea to ecourage further oil comsumption, when we should be concentrating all out efforts on alternatives to fossil fuels.

*Shudders.*

Do you mean paying Con Edison for those high electric rates?

 

[Odd_ball]

*Shudders.*

Do you mean paying Con Edison for those high electric rates?

Electric rates are lower than gas bills in the winter.

 

[Shagly]

Electric rates are lower than gas bills in the winter.

Unless you have electric heat that is.

 

[miles]

The response that I was the poster girl for bad education and wiki cut-and-paste shows Lavender’s inability to deal with anyone but those who agree with her.

So much for the live and let live liberal mantra of tolerance.

 

[Odd_ball]

Unless you have electric heat that is.

Check this out:

http://www.solorb.com/elect/solarcirc/solarfurn/

"Some example data was taken with the solar furnace. On a sunny day with a 10 degree C outdoor temperature, the furnace was able to increase the interior garage air from 12 degrees C to 29 degrees C. The fan's air flow rating is 30 cubic feet per minute at full speed."

Damn...

 

[JinXed]

Ignoring the cut-and-paste clerk is not the same as ignoring the thread.

Funny as that isn't what you said.

what you did say was -

So, you revert to the politics of ridicule. It seems that's all you have; you are not worth my time.

Iggy list for you.

For someone who just isn't worth your time you've spent a lot of it throwing this little temper tantrum - even going so far as to bump other threads by Lavy as your own way of stomping and flailing your arms about.

If you really want to prove your stance of her "not worth my time" why not just take that ball and go home already.

 

[Shagly]

Check this out:

http://www.solorb.com/elect/solarcirc/solarfurn/

"Some example data was taken with the solar furnace. On a sunny day with a 10 degree C outdoor temperature, the furnace was able to increase the interior garage air from 12 degrees C to 29 degrees C. The fan's air flow rating is 30 cubic feet per minute at full speed."

Damn...

Heating and ventilation efficency, what a concept.

 

[Odd_ball]

Heating and ventilation efficency, what a concept.

Solar heating.

I think it is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY that every home doesn't have a huge Fresnel lens generating heat and power.

 

[miles]

Funny as that isn't what you said.

what you did say was -







For someone who just isn't worth your time you've spent a lot of it throwing this little temper tantrum - even going so far as to bump other threads by Lavy as your own way of stomping and flailing your arms about.

If you really want to prove your stance of her "not worth my time" why not just take that ball and go home already.

Maybe she changed her mind after realizing how much fun it is baiting a phony..

 

[JinXed]

Maybe she changed her mind after realizing how much fun it is baiting a phony..

you know Miles, no matter how much you champion dear, young, immature Karen - I still doubt she'll phone bone you.