The Odyssey

[TheOneUpright]

There’s a tendency to use Brit actors for Americans in that early 20th century period. I think there’s an assumption that Brits are still a bit ‘proper’ and that that attitude suits the manners and formality of the 1940s etc. That was the thinking in casting Damian Lewis in Band of Brothers at least.

They're cheaper, better trained, less prone to substance abuse, and free from local, tyrannical guilds.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

The left wing culture warriors conveniently leave that kind of stuff out.
Or how guests were expected to leave... Or how it was perfectly acceptable to kill them for abusing the hospitality...

You've already made a fool of yourself once for mouthing off without having seen the film. And now you're doing it again.

Go watch the film, for heaven's sake. You'll be far less likely to talk bollocks after you've done that.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

They're cheaper, better trained, less prone to substance abuse, and free from local, tyrannical guilds.

One sentence, four errors. That's impressive.

 

[Voboy]

I think Tenet is streaming on Stan at the moment. Might give it another go, to figure out what it's all about. Seriously strange movie, but I do think Nolan's self-indulgences get in the way of coherence, too often.

This.

I've always thought Memento is the perfect Nolan movie because its scale is so compact. It really suited his talents and sensibilities, not to mention the script. Dunkirk, too, was very well-told and also very compact.

I was disappointed by Inception. I thought its third act was far too bloated. I didn't see Tenet.

 

[Voboy]

There’s a tendency to use Brit actors for Americans in that early 20th century period. I think there’s an assumption that Brits are still a bit ‘proper’ and that that attitude suits the manners and formality of the 1940s etc. That was the thinking in casting Damian Lewis in Band of Brothers at least.

The overwhelming majority of actors in BoB (FAR more than just Lewis; many of the main cast are UK men doing American accents) are British because it was filmed in Britain.

Sometimes it's that simple.

 

[TheOneUpright]

One sentence, four errors. That's impressive.

You're trying hard to sound sharp. It's not working.

 

[Writer61]

The Grauniad is reporting:

Elon Musk says Grok imagine will make ‘historically accurate’ AI adaptation of Homer’s Odyssey​

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...-accurate-ai-homers-odyssey-christopher-nolan

I wonder if the characters will be speaking Homer's words in Greek using dactylic hexameter? Something tells me that they won't.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

You've already made a fool of yourself once for mouthing off without having seen the film. And now you're doing it again.

Go watch the film, for heaven's sake. You'll be far less likely to talk bollocks after you've done that.

Have I hurt the left wing culture warrior's feelings by saying something truthful that doesn't fit your world view?

When you feel the need to get nasty it just shows how intellectually bankrupt your arguments are. You won't address the point, so you resort to attacking the person.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

The Grauniad is reporting:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...-accurate-ai-homers-odyssey-christopher-nolan

I wonder if the characters will be speaking Homer's words in Greek using dactylic hexameter? Something tells me that they won't.

Yeah... because no one would watch a historic epic in a foreign language, right? I mean not enough of them to make $612 million on a $30 million budget.

Right?

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

Have I hurt the left wing culture warrior's feelings by saying something truthful that doesn't fit your world view?

When you feel the need to get nasty it just shows how intellectually bankrupt your arguments are. You won't address the point, so you resort to attacking the person.

I'll put it simply: Elliot Page does not play Achilles and the film explicitly addresses the issue of hospitality being abused.

You would know this if you watched the film.

 

[AG31]

I'll likely wait until it hits streaming.

I like Nolan as a director, I like most of the cast, but I can't get over how drab it looks. I know it doesn't need to be 100% historically accurate or anything, but I'm just tired of any movie set in the past being brown, black, and gray at all times. One of the best parts of that era was how crazy and vibrant the armor and shit was.

Definitely not brown, black and gray.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I am waiting for @SimonDoom and @Voboy to see the movie so we can hopefully discuss it free of all this obsessive talk about pro-woke and anti-woke, which I already demonstrated to be a moot point.

 

[davion2308]

I am waiting for @SimonDoom and @Voboy to see the movie so we can hopefully discuss it free of all this obsessive talk about pro-woke and anti-woke, which I already demonstrated to be a moot point.

I saw it last night and I enjoyed it. It was a good movie. It entertained me.

I'm down to talk about it outside any context of political discussion, wokeness, whatever. It's a movie. Let's go ahead and have some fun with it.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

I saw it last night and I enjoyed it. It was a good movie. It entertained me.

I'm down to talk about it outside any context of political discussion, wokeness, whatever. It's a movie. Let's go ahead and have some fun with it.

What did you like about it the most?

 

[Writer61]

Yeah... because no one would watch a historic epic in a foreign language, right?

That is not why I doubt the original language will be used.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I'll put it simply: Elliot Page does not play Achilles and the film explicitly addresses the issue of hospitality being abused.

You would know this if you watched the film.

And I never claimed Elliott Page played Achilles. Thanks for playing...

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

This is an enjoyable piece from The Irish Times comparing The Odyssey to the recent World Cup final...

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...harder-watch-than-the-woeful-world-cup-final/

 

[SimonDoom]

I am waiting for @SimonDoom and @Voboy to see the movie so we can hopefully discuss it free of all this obsessive talk about pro-woke and anti-woke, which I already demonstrated to be a moot point.

I'm scheduled to see it with my son, but the date is still a couple of weeks off. I will share my thoughts once I see it.

 

[SimonDoom]

He's definitely got a thing about running stories backwards, that's for sure.

I think Tenet is streaming on Stan at the moment. Might give it another go, to figure out what it's all about. Seriously strange movie, but I do think Nolan's self-indulgences get in the way of coherence, too often.

By comparison, Oppenheimer was straightforward, but I guess that story is so strong it tells itself. Intriguing that he mostly used Brit actors in that one, given that it's a movie about a quintessential American thing. He is a Brit though, and I suspect the story needed an outsider's eye.

Nolan likes complicated, intricate plots. Even with Oppenheimer, he presented two stories in parallel, one in color and the other in black and white.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm not going to judge a movie for its politics until I've actually seen it.

Oppenheimer had a political spin that I don't entirely agree with. Oppenheimer, the man, was presented as the victim of a smear campaign by Lewis Strauss. But it's a fact that Oppenheimer had many communist friends and some communist sympathies, and it's understandable that there would be concerns about his being involved in US nuclear policy even if one did not worry that he would pass on secrets to the communists.

But still, I liked Oppenheimer a lot. I thought it was an excellent movie with a good story and great acting, fantastic visuals, and a compelling score, and while I may not entirely agree with some of its political slant, I think it did a good job presenting it and making its case. That's all I ask for in a movie. I don't have to agree with it.

Another example of a movie that I thought was completely daft in its perspective, but still entertaining, was Olive Stone's JFK. It presented a coherent artistic and political perspective, even if, IMO, its conspiracy-theory perspective was nonsense.

Nolan is much more subtle than Oliver Stone, who is not subtle at all.

 

[crookedletter]

I enjoyed Oppenheimer, but I thought the second half dragged a bit. I'm far more interested in the quantum revolution and the actual building of the bomb than I am in Cold War politics. Personal preference, I suppose, but for me the climax of the movie came about halfway through, and the rest was a little dry. I felt like it could actually have used more Nolan timeplay to improve its pacing.

Tenet is fun if you can allow yourself to just enjoy it without trying to figure out what the hell's going on. The bidirectional time scenes make for some cool action, but they don't make any sense. I think he was chasing Inception with that, and it might be his weakest outing in my book.

Generally I'm a fan. The Odyssey had me rapt from beginning to end. Is it a perfect movie? Probably not. But it's a hell of a spectacle, and was one of the more satisfying theater experiences I've had in a long time.

 

[davion2308]

What did you like about it the most?

I liked the cinematography and the visuals. I loved the music. The story was well-done and how the characters were portrayed. I didn't go back and think it was going to be frame-for-frame story of the original story.

It was a romp. I wanted sword fighting, some battles, some story-telling, and there was a balance between the two parts. I like the fact that things weren't overexplained, like the scene with the cyclops, or the Laestrygonians, or even the sirens. We didn't get a full view of the monsters and beasts, just snapshots from the view of men.

It was fun, satisfying, I paid 6 bucks per ticket because Cinemark has their Tuesday deal, I was entertained.

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

It was fun, satisfying, I paid 6 bucks per ticket because Cinemark has their Tuesday deal, I was entertained

It’s truly amazing when you think about it: 6 dollars to watch a 3 hour movie that brings to life the fall of Troy.

And amazing we, me included, complain about it!

 

[MillieDynamite]

A better Odyssey, I give you the arrow through the ax handles.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Well, doesn't that just chap my ass? Had no idea they'd put an age restriction on that bugger.