Thoughts on AI checkers

[EmilyMiller]

I’m just saying we need to be realistic

We don’t need to do this at all

and stop treating it like some kind of elite club.

Straw-man argument, and a poor one.

AI should be seen as a positive.

Why? Give me one reason.

It has opened up opportunities for people to put their thoughts into writing, something many wouldn’t have done otherwise.

They could have done that anyway. Why could they not have done that without GenAI?

That’s a good thing, IMO.

The operative phase is ‘your opinion.’ Doesn’t seem many people here agree with you.

I don’t understand why it’s being treated as something negative or wrong.

OK - this is getting kinda troll-like at this point. Get ChatGPT to list the negative aspects of GenAI to you maybe.

 

[dirk2024]

I’m just saying we need to be realistic and stop treating it like some kind of elite club. AI should be seen as a positive. It has opened up opportunities for people to put their thoughts into writing, something many wouldn’t have done otherwise. That’s a good thing, IMO. I don’t understand why it’s being treated as something negative or wrong.

Perhaps most of the people here are not a fan of AI (or the people who use AI) because we are actually putting in the work to learn a craft and apply it. This concept is opposed to the lazy folks who aren't working to create or improve their talent so they can 100% create their own art, in whatever form that may come.

If you want to remain lazy...and you want remain talentless...go somewhere else. Some place where a lack of effort is lauded.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I just ran several thousand words of a story posted here through GPTZero - now these free checkers are even more crap than the commercial ones, but it came up 99% AI written. This provides a notable context for this thread I believe.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Why are we still doing this?

 

[CalBishForNow]

Why are we still doing this?

Someone reopened a two-week-old thread to defend using generative AI for writing fiction. Not to investigate or vent emotionally about problems with the site's AI detector but to say "writers using AI and passing it off as their own is good, actually!" I and some other people couldn't resist criticizing that with varying degrees of seriousness.

 

[scarletttemtress]

Perhaps most of the people here are not a fan of AI (or the people who use AI) because we are actually putting in the work to learn a craft and apply it. This concept is opposed to the lazy folks who aren't working to create or improve their talent so they can 100% create their own art, in whatever form that may come.

If you want to remain lazy...and you want remain talentless...go somewhere else. Some place where a lack of effort is lauded.

Good luck fighting a losing battle and staying stuck in a time warp. AI is a phenomenon everyone will eventually have to come to terms with.

 

[RoyalAuthor]

I’m just saying we need to be realistic (about the fact that steroids exist) and stop treating (the Olympics) like some kind of elite club. (Performance enhancing drugs) should be seen as a positive. (They) has opened up opportunities for people (to get better at sports with less effort), something many wouldn’t have done otherwise. That’s a good thing, IMO. I don’t understand why it’s being treated as something negative or wrong.

Edits in parentheses mine. We can "come to terms" with AI without allowing it to enter human writing spaces - just because PEDs exist doesn't mean we need to allow them in the Olympics. They exist, they have their uses, and they should stay out of any form of organized competition or exhibition. If you were at an exhibition of art focusing on photorealistic paintings, should we allow someone to enter an actual photograph taken by a high quality camera? The mere existence of technology is not a justification for its use in every setting ever.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Good luck fighting a losing battle and staying stuck in a time warp. AI is a phenomenon everyone will eventually have to come to terms with.

Which AI company do you work in marketing for again?

 

[AwkwardMD]

Someone reopened a two-week-old thread to defend using generative AI for writing fiction. Not to investigate or vent emotionally about problems with the site's AI detector but to say "writers using AI and passing it off as their own is good, actually!" I and some other people couldn't resist criticizing that with varying degrees of seriousness.

My bad. Respect for fighting the fight.

I'm just tired.

 

[NoTalentHack]

It’s not laziness.

… says the person who couldn’t even bother to spell “temptress” correctly in their handle.

It’s entirely about laziness. Writing is a skill. Want to write a story better? Practice; write your early, bad stories and get them out of your system. Then, once you are better, go back and revise the early stories you wrote to bring them up to snuff with the skills you’ve gained.

 

[millamomud]

… says the person who couldn’t even bother to spell “temptress” correctly in their handle.

That's the cheapest of arguments.

 

[SmilingLez]

It’s entirely about laziness. Writing is a skill. Want to write a story better? Practice; write your early, bad stories and get them out of your system. Then, once you are better, go back and revise the early stories you wrote to bring them up to snuff with the skills you’ve gained.

That's the cheapest of arguments.

Actually you're missing the point @millamomud

 

[EmilyMiller]

Good luck fighting a losing battle and staying stuck in a time warp. AI is a phenomenon everyone will eventually have to come to terms with.

This reminds me of the Incel Wars on X. Lots of, “Sexbots are coming soon, then you whores will be sorry.”

Someone should really write a novel about that

 

[millamomud]

Actually you're missing the point @millamomud

okay

 

[NoTalentHack]

That's the cheapest of arguments.

That doesn't make it inaccurate, especially when taken with the rest of the argument.

 

[EmilyMiller]

That doesn't make it inaccurate, especially when taken with the rest of the argument.

Focusing on the weakest point of an argument and ignoring the strongest points is an established technique.

 

[SmilingLez]

This reminds me of the Incel Wars on X. Lots of, “Sexbots are coming soon, then you whores will be sorry.”

Someone should really write a novel about that

INCELS swore AI sex bots would change everything. “Way better than real women,” they said. “No drama.” Then came the updates. Subscription tiers. Premium personalities. Suddenly they’re arguing with customer support AI bots because “Version 3.2 feels less enthusiastic.” Meanwhile, I am laughing my ass off watching men get emotionally attached to latex and firmware while waiting for a patch to fix their (lack of) love life.

 

[EmilyMiller]

INCELS swore AI sex bots would change everything. “Way better than real women,” they said. “No drama.” Then came the updates. Subscription tiers. Premium personalities. Suddenly they’re arguing with customer support AI bots because “Version 3.2 feels less enthusiastic.” Meanwhile, I am laughing my ass off watching men get emotionally attached to latex and firmware while waiting for a patch to fix their love life.

My view was that some guys would be much better off with a sexbot. There was an obvious reason why no flesh and blood woman was interested.

 

[millamomud]

That doesn't make it inaccurate, especially when taken with the rest of the argument.

still an argument ad personam, the spelling of a username has nothing to do with the point being made.

The username jab was cheap, and pointing that out does not mean I “missed the point.”

The point was clear enough: that weak early writing should be treated as practice, then revised later with better skills. Fine. But reducing the whole issue to laziness is still far too simplistic.

Bad writing can come from inexperience, weak editing, lack of distance to one’s own draft, bad habits, limited feedback, rushing, or yes, sometimes laziness. Those are not all the same thing, and treating them as if they were is not a serious argument.

So no, I did not miss the point. I objected to the personal jab, and I also disagree with the oversimplified conclusion.

 

[FrancesScott]

This will go nowhere. It's totally meaningless. Stories are about ideas and imaginations. Even if writers are using AI tools, the thoughts are theirs. AI just brings those thoughts into words. AI is a reality of our times. You cannot escape it. The rejection of stories are pointless.

Your argument seems to boil down to a vibrator being better than not having a sexual partner. Maybe, but is a vibrator a replacement for a sexual partner, or simply a much less than ideal temporary solution?

Of course there is nothing wrong with having a sexual partner and a vibrator.

 

[EmilyMiller]

This reminds me of the Incel Wars on X. Lots of, “Sexbots are coming soon, then you whores will be sorry.”

The funniest thing that happened to me on X - multiple times - was having some guy foaming at the mouth, spitting blood, and about to have an aneurysm, accuse me of being… wait for it… make sure you are seated… a writer of porn.

It burns so bad even to this day. And I hadn’t realized until they pointed it out. How fucking stupid am I ?

 

[NoTalentHack]

still an argument ad personam, the spelling of a username has nothing to do with the point being made.

The username jab was cheap, and pointing that out does not mean I “missed the point.”

The point was clear enough: that weak early writing should be treated as practice, then revised later with better skills. Fine. But reducing the whole issue to laziness is still far too simplistic.

Bad writing can come from inexperience, weak editing, lack of distance to one’s own draft, bad habits, limited feedback, rushing, or yes, sometimes laziness. Those are not all the same thing, and treating them as if they were is not a serious argument.

So no, I did not miss the point. I objected to the personal jab, and I also disagree with the oversimplified conclusion.

I disagree.

If we had been discussing politics or sports or games, then yes, taking a jab at a poorly spelled username would have been as you said, a cheap shot.

But we're not.

What we're talking about is whether the skill of writing matters or not, both in terms of storytelling ability and in more technical aspects... like spelling.

In that very narrow case, someone misspelling their username--the introduction most users are going to have to them and a very basic, very important thing to get right--and then turning around to say that their desire to use AI has nothing to do with laziness... Well, as they say from my neck of the woods, "that dog don't hunt."

Don't get me wrong; I'm sure if you go through my posts on the forums, you'll find them replete with typos. The number of occurrences of "int he" and "ont he" in my Discord replies is absolutely staggering. In everyday, casual writing, I'm as bad as anyone and worse than most at keeping my writing typo-free.

But you know where I would do my damnedest to keep those mistakes from slipping in? In places where it matters, like my stories... or my username.

So, yes, in this very rare case, I think it's perfectly appropriate to take a swipe at an incorrectly spelled username, especially when the person claims the use of AI has nothing to do with laziness. Because it is, and it does.

 

[dirk2024]

Good luck fighting a losing battle and staying stuck in a time warp. AI is a phenomenon everyone will eventually have to come to terms with.

Yes, let's all bend over for our soon to be future overlords.

It'll be an easy battle for them, what with fawning support from the traitors to humanity.

 

[dirk2024]

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What we're talking about is whether the skill of writing matters or not, both in terms of storytelling ability and in more technical aspects... like spelling.

In that very narrow case, someone misspelling their username--the introduction most users are going to have to them and a very basic, very important thing to get right--and then turning around to say that their desire to use AI has nothing to do with laziness... Well, as they say from my neck of the woods, "that dog don't hunt."

It's too bad she didn't use AI when she created her username.

 

[dirk2024]

Here's a bit of good news.

https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/26/openai-abandons-yet-another-side-quest-chatgpts-erotic-mode/

OpenAI abandons yet another side quest: ChatGPT’s erotic mode​