"Top Secret"

[ll74]

Oy...

So if I rob a bank and then call the police and say, "Hey fellas, I have some stolen money here" all is forgiven?

I realize you're a homer for your team, but come on. You are only wanting to discuss what happened after the crime was committed.

I've never said that.

You said he cooperated because he got caught. That's not true

 

[ll74]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit I take it.

Shitty rebuttal

 

[JohnnySavage]

I've never said that.

You said he cooperated because he got caught. That's not true

Of course its true. Had the documents not been discovered, they'd still be there in violation of the law.

 

[ll74]

Of course its true. Had the documents not been discovered, they'd still be there in violation of the law.

That's not getting caught. That literally is "turning yourself in".

They could have put them somewhere else...or burned them ..

 

[jomar]

Intent has NOTHING to do with the situation, NOTHING!!!!

There is NO doubt that they were stolen. If you knew anything about classified documents you'd know that at the very least.

Well, given the clear problems with chain of custody documentation, oversight and follow up, I can see a scenario where the documents are “checked out”, dealt with, then put in a locked drawer while they move onto other things and somehow never get back to turning them back in. Then some assistant clears the office, throws everything into a box and the box ends up stuffed in a corner of a garage next to a vintage corvette. Then the party involved cooperated with authorities when they were discovered.

Meanwhile, the newest former president took cool souvenirs, stalled bigly when asked to give them back, then lied about having given them back.

 

[HisArpy]

Well, given the clear problems with chain of custody documentation, oversight and follow up, I can see a scenario where the documents are “checked out”, dealt with, then put in a locked drawer while they move onto other things and somehow never get back to turning them back in. Then some assistant clears the office, throws everything into a box and the box ends up stuffed in a corner of a garage next to a vintage corvette. Then the party involved cooperated with authorities when they were discovered.

Meanwhile, the newest former president took cool souvenirs, stalled bigly when asked to give them back, then lied about having given them back.

None of which is legal nor does it overcome the violation of the law.

The docs have to be inside a SCIF to be read. If for some reason they can't be read inside a SCIF, the courier with the docs opens the locked briefcase in which the docs are transported, hands the docs to the person who is supposed to be informed of the contents, lets that person read the document then retrieves them and places them back into the briefcase which is then locked again.

At no time is the document supposed to be out of sight of the person charged with its security unless the person being informed has the authority to change the classification of the document and/or dismiss the courier. The President has such a power and authority to do this. The VP does not. A Congressman does not.

Thus, if there are classified docs at Biden's house, HE STOLE THEM and secreted them in various hiding places. His only defense is that Obama declassified the docs and authorized him to have them AND there is a dated paper trail to prove it. This likely doesn't exist which is why Obama has not weighed in on the crime.

"Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up." seems to be the applicable point of view here.

 

[Chobham]

That's not getting caught. That literally is "turning yourself in".

They could have put them somewhere else...or burned them ..

Which should be taken into consideration during the sentencing phase.

 

[Chobham]

Shitty rebuttal

It's a perfect rebuttal. 'a' and 'b' say nothing about "willfully."

 

[ll74]

Which should be taken into consideration during the sentencing phase.

The investigation comes first. You're about four steps ahead.

 

[ll74]

It's a perfect rebuttal. 'a' and 'b' say nothing about "willfully."

It's a perfect rebuttal. 'a' and 'b' say nothing about "willfully."

And yet you ignore d and e.

The shittt part was that you didn't elaborate on what you were meaning.

 

[jomar]

None of which is legal nor does it overcome the violation of the law.

I never claimed otherwise.

The docs have to be inside a SCIF to be read. If for some reason they can't be read inside a SCIF, the courier with the docs opens the locked briefcase in which the docs are transported, hands the docs to the person who is supposed to be informed of the contents, lets that person read the document then retrieves them and places them back into the briefcase which is then locked again.

At no time is the document supposed to be out of sight of the person charged with its security unless the person being informed has the authority to change the classification of the document and/or dismiss the courier. The President has such a power and authority to do this. The VP does not. A Congressman does not.

Okay, hence my comment about their being "clear problems with chain of custody documentation, oversight and follow up."

Thus, if there are classified docs at Biden's house, HE STOLE THEM and secreted them in various hiding places.

How dastardly and nefarious! Lock him up!!!

His only defense is that Obama declassified the docs and authorized him to have them AND there is a dated paper trail to prove it. This likely doesn't exist which is why Obama has not weighed in on the crime.

We'll see where the chips fall.

 

[Chobham]

And yet you ignore d and e.

The shittt part was that you didn't elaborate on what you were meaning.

The parts are separate, not joined by a conjunction. Felony, up to ten years in prison. Biden's a fucking thief.

 

[Rightguide]

He WAS NOT president when he stole the documents sparky.

Some were stolen when he was a Senator. His political lifetime is a chronology of lies and nefarious activity.

 

[dkovic77]

Vice-presidents can't declassify ANYTHING, so that's not even a talking point.

Do you even look anything up before you talk?

Answer clear is no.

Internet is so difficult to find information, oh wait- less than a second.

 

[ll74]

The parts are separate, not joined by a conjunction. Felony, up to ten years in prison. Biden's a fucking thief.

There are processes you're skipping over.

Your bias is noted.

 

[dkovic77]

There are processes you're skipping over.

Your bias is noted.

Process is never important, just sound bytes.

 

[Rightguide]

Do you even look anything up before you talk?

Answer clear is no.

Internet is so difficult to find information, oh wait- less than a second.

it was Obama who wrote that EO by virtue of his plenary power of classification. Biden does not have this inherent power as Vice President. This EO granted that power to the "incumbant Vice President.

The President Executive Order 13526 (Barack Obama)
Classified National Security Information

Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.

(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information

Sec. 3.5. Mandatory Declassification Review.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, all information classified under this order or predecessor orders shall be subject to a review for declassification by the originating agency if:

(b)Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph
"

 

[Lazaran]

Oy...

So if I rob a bank and then call the police and say, "Hey fellas, I have some stolen money here" all is forgiven?

I realize you're a homer for your team, but come on. You are only wanting to discuss what happened after the crime was committed.

It’s more like this:

A retiring Vice President of a bank somehow had a few loose bills of bank money mixed in with their personal papers when their staff packed up to leave the office. - And let’s say the bills weren’t noticed missing because they were too small an amount in number and value. (Remembering that this small number of loose bills had accumulated over MANY YEARS) And let’s further say that many people at the bank outside of the.bank Vice President’s office also had handled the small number of low value loose bills before they got mixed in with the retiring bank Vice President’s personal papers.

Then later the former bank Vice President’s lawyers find a few of the low value loose bills while working on a totally unrelated issue and notify the bank who notifies law enforcement.

NOW: Make a case for prosecuting the former bank Vice President for ANY wrongdoing.

The DIFFERENCE is profound between that ^ scenario and the FIRED ORANGE bank President’s willful intent when knowingly taking MANY loose bills from the bank and then obstructing the bank’s and law enforcement’s efforts to recover the loose bills.

Hope that ^ helps.

 

[dkovic77]

it was Obama who wrote that EO by virtue of his plenary power of classification. Biden does not have this inherent power as Vice President. This EO granted that power to the "incumbant Vice President.

The President Executive Order 13526 (Barack Obama)
Classified National Security Information

Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.

(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information

Sec. 3.5. Mandatory Declassification Review.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, all information classified under this order or predecessor orders shall be subject to a review for declassification by the originating agency if:

(b)Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph
"

So what you are saying is, DJT can’t just think and make it declassified. Thanks for verifying. Appreciate the assistance.

Sure looks like a detailed process. Still looks much more possible than person, woman, man, camera, tv did with his documents.

 

[Rightguide]

So what you are saying is, DJT can’t just think and make it declassified. Thanks for verifying. Appreciate the assistance.

Sure looks like a detailed process. Still looks much more possible than person, woman, man, camera, tv did with his documents.

You need to learn how to read for comprehension. The President is the supreme arbiter of what is classified and what isn't in the final analysis. All power to classify stems from and is delegated by his plenary authority and that goes for declassifying as well. He doesn't have to ask a subordinate for permission to declassify.

 

[dkovic77]

You need to learn how to read for comprehension. The President is the supreme arbiter of what is classified and what isn't in the final analysis. All power to classify stems from and is delegated by his plenary authority and that goes for declassifying as well. He doesn't have to ask a subordinate for permission to declassify.

But there is a process and channel for it, or you must not be able to read well either. I know where my reading level is, yours seems to be on the high elem level that the news stories your right wing “news” agencies write in.

Thanks.

 

[Lazaran]

But there is a process and channel for it, or you must not be able to read well either. I know where my reading level is, yours seems to be on the high elem level that the news stories your right wing “news” agencies write in.

Thanks.

You have to take into account / factor in that “Right”Guide and the RWCJ view their orange personal Jesus as a god-king.

There is no arguing with that ^ level of sycophancy.

“Right”Guide and the RWCJ

 

[icanhelp1]

I never claimed otherwise.


Okay, hence my comment about their being "clear problems with chain of custody documentation, oversight and follow up."


How dastardly and nefarious! Lock him up!!!


We'll see where the chips fall.

Ok

 

[jomar]

Ok

Ok

 

[icanhelp1]

#247
^^^^^
Laz wrapping oneself in the Biden crime family *Coat of Arms*. Can you say self awareness: hypocrite.