Trump: A War Criminal in the Making

[Busybody]

wroh thread

DUMMY

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

wroh thread

DUMMY

Nope, just C&P answer from the same bullshit you posted in another thread on the GB.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Trump backtracks, insists USA won't jettison Geneva Convention accords, Busybody reportedly devastated.

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[Boxlicker101]

Trump backtracks, insists USA won't jettison Geneva Convention accords, Busybody reportedly devastated.

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He really hasn't said much. ISIS, etc. are not covered by the GC because they are not signatories to it and because they violate it so often. There are no treaties with them and I doubt they are covered by any kind of US law.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

He really hasn't said much. ISIS, etc. are not covered by the GC because they are not signatories to it and because they violate it so often. There are no treaties with them and I doubt they are covered by any kind of US law.

Now there's a surprise, Box has no idea how international law and the Geneva Conventions work. One more thing to add to a very long list.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Trump is distasteful, but the difference between him and Obama is this: Trump endorses war crimes in little bursts of moronic candor, while Obama commits them on the sly, while mouthing liberal sentiments to confuse his base. This article, I think, is very helpful:

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/04...-but-an-uncomfortably-vivid-reflection-of-it/

The other major irony here is that Trump is under attack by a gang of neo-cons who are the most vicious and treasonous people in American politics. They are attacking him because he has expressed doubt about the regime change wars in Iraq and Libya, and other cherished neo-con projects. Does that make Trump a good person? No, he's an idiot. But the real threat is the neo-cons.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

He really hasn't said much. ISIS, etc. are not covered by the GC because they are not signatories to it and because they violate it so often. There are no treaties with them and I doubt they are covered by any kind of US law.

Now there's a surprise, Box has no idea how international law and the Geneva Conventions work. One more thing to add to a very long list.

Here is the citation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

And the specific part of that citation:Common Article 2 relating to International Armed Conflicts[edit]



It has been suggested that this article be split into multiple articles. (Discuss.) (February 2015)

This article states that the Geneva Conventions apply to all cases of international conflict, where at least one of the warring nations have ratified the Conventions. Primarily:
The Conventions apply to all cases of declared war between signatory nations. This is the original sense of applicability, which predates the 1949 version.
The Conventions apply to all cases of armed conflict between two or more signatory nations, even in the absence of a declaration of war. This language was added in 1949 to accommodate situations that have all the characteristics of war without the existence of a formal declaration of war, such as a police action.[12]
The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation "accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions.[12]

Article 1 of Protocol I further clarifies that armed conflict against colonial domination and foreign occupation also qualifies as an international conflict.

When the criteria of international conflict have been met, the full protections of the Conventions are considered to apply.

 

[Hypoxia]

Trump is distasteful, but the difference between him and Obama is this: Trump endorses war crimes in little bursts of moronic candor, while Obama commits them on the sly, while mouthing liberal sentiments to confuse his base.

I guess you missed my early post. All USA presidents now must commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. It goes with the job, has since at least 1960. Were the Dalai Lama installed in the White House, *he* would be forced there too.

How to avoid war crimes? Get Congress to declare war. They haven't done so since 1942. USA hasn't 'won' a shooting war since 1945. Coincidence, or... ??

Wars that USA has won were declared by the people's representatives as required by the Constitution, and were seen by enough citizens as needful and legitimate, as worthy of sacrifice, rationing, involvement. When USA is seriously threatened, we respond, and prevail. Have we prevailed lately?

USA has the hugest security-military machine in world history. It's not really suited for police work -- and terrorists are criminals, not a military threat. Terrorists aren't massing tanks and artillery on our borders. Terrorists are not suitable targets for ICBMs. And collateral damage breeds more terrorists. Well, that keeps the Pentagon's budget flowing, eh?

Congress has enabled war crimes for a long time. Kewl work, dewds.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I guess you missed my early post. All USA presidents now must commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. It goes with the job, has since at least 1960. Were the Dalai Lama installed in the White House, *he* would be forced there too.

A president can always break with the prevailing political culture. FDR did it.

BTW, although I get your point, I should point out that the Dalai Lama is hardly some paragon of virtue. He presided over a barbaric system of mandatory illiteracy and sexual slavery for young boys who were chosen as acolytes for the Tibetan monkocracy. The Dalai Lama has been accorded celebrity status in the western media for the purposes of making China look bad.

 

[Hypoxia]

A president can always break with the prevailing political culture. FDR did it.

It's not just political culture. USA does face foreign threats. Some of those do require violent responses. A President, commander-in-chief of USA military, is empowered to employ force.

But the Constitution is specific. Congress declares war, not presidents, not courts. But whether controlled by GOPs or Dems, Congress has not mobilized the nation for several generations. IMHO the closest we've approached 'victory' came from USSR going broke.

When Congress pisses away their responsibility, they leave the President to play whatever wargames s/he desires. And those games are not much supported by the populace. Both Congress and President get hated for wasting lives and resources. Civil society deteriorates. Sound familiar?

Back to the Dalai Lama or some other supposedly saintly personage. A sweet pacifist newly in the White House will be faced with impossible contradictions. Allow USA citizen's (the saint's constituents) to be killed? Or order unlawful but unavoidable strikes? Political reality: If you don't protect constituents, you're gone. An unresponsive saint will soon be a deposed saint.

You call it political culture. I call it a schizo system operating in failure mode.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

It's not just political culture. USA does face foreign threats. Some of those do require violent responses.

Really? The violence of the past 16 years seems to be 100% unrelated to any actual threat to the US or its citizens. Perhaps you could provide an example.

A sweet pacifist newly in the White House will be faced with impossible contradictions. Allow USA citizen's (the saint's constituents) to be killed?

Aside from 9/11, the threat to US citizens from any sort of terrorism is negligible. There are occasional arrests because the FBI finds some Muslim teenager with emotional problems, recruits him, arms him, and then busts him. From what little we know about 911, there was just one Arab nation directly involved: Saudi Arabia. Not only have we not bombed them, droned them, regime changed them or put sanctions on them -- when the king died, virtually the entire Obama administration dropped what they were doing and rushed to pay him homage.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Really? The violence of the past 16 years seems to be 100% unrelated to any actual threat to the US or its citizens. Perhaps you could provide an example.

Aside from 9/11, the threat to US citizens from any sort of terrorism is negligible. There are occasional arrests because the FBI finds some Muslim teenager with emotional problems, recruits him, arms him, and then busts him. From what little we know about 911, there was just one Arab nation directly involved: Saudi Arabia. Not only have we not bombed them, droned them, regime changed them or put sanctions on them -- when the king died, virtually the entire Obama administration dropped what they were doing and rushed to pay him homage.

There have been other examples, such as the Marathon Bombing in Boston and the nail bomb in Times Square and the Fort Hood shooting and others. That's in addition to the ones which were thwarted and were not made public because of the policies of the Obama administration, which won't even refer to Islamic terrorists.

ETA: Most of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia but four were from other places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

 

[Aglaopheme]

He's starting off small before he gets elected. His campaign manager allergens assaulted a woman, and there's been countless instances of violent actions occurring at his rallies by his supporters.

 

[Busybody]

Poor ALGO, hates DA NIGGER

He's starting off small before he gets elected. His campaign manager allergens assaulted a woman, and there's been countless instances of violent actions occurring at his rallies by his supporters.

Good

Learning from your NIGGER



WH to Dems: Punch back twice as hard
By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN 08/06/09 05:11 PM EDT


Top White House aides gave Senate Democrats a recess battle plan on Thursday, arming the lawmakers with tips for avoiding disastrous town hall meetings while showing them polling on popular aspects of the reform effort.
Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina told senators to focus on the insured and how they would benefit from “consumer protections" in the overhaul, such as ending the practice of denying insurance based on preexisting conditions and ensuring the continuity of coverage between jobs.


They showed video clips of the confrontational town halls that have dominated the media coverage, and told senators to do more prep work than usual for their public meetings by making sure their own supporters turn out, senators and aides said.
And they screened TV ads and reviewed the various campaigns by critics of the Democratic plan.
“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said, according to an official who attended the meeting.


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[Busybody]

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[Busybody]

Hey yo, Algo, why you kick the Knee Grow in the Knee Grow House in da cunt

You a racist or sum fin?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Trump backtracks, insists USA won't jettison Geneva Convention accords, Busybody reportedly devastated.

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Get used to it, sissy dumpling. Its a new, masculine world order in which youre a spectator

 

[AlwaysHungry]

ETA: Most of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia but four were from other places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

I don't think that the nationalities of the individual hijackers is especially significant. Anyone under enough stress can become a Manchurian candidate. The significance of Saudi Arabia is the known role of members of the Saudi royal family in financing the 911 attacks. And there is also the matter of the classified 28 pages of the 911 Commission report which deal with the role of Saudi Arabia. Obama promised the families of the 911 victims that he would declassify those 28 pages.

My point was more along the lines of this: Bush and Obama have spent 16 years attacking nations that had nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism or any threat to the US. So the argument that they have regrettably used force in order to protect us doesn't hold up.

 

[MrBates2]

Don't dismiss the Donald's murderous threats — that's how rabid nationalists and racists make countries great again


When I was young, on the eve of Yugoslavia's demise, I worked as a journalist for a Bosnian magazine frequently covering those distinguished individuals whose politics were indistinguishable from plain lunacy. Among them was Vojislav Šešelj, a former dissident turned leader of the Serbian Radical Party, staunchly commited to making Serbia great again, and railing about injustices inflicted upon his people by a world of enemies. Once we published a long interview with him under the headline Planet Serbia.

I recalled Šešelj after hearing Trump's instructive fairytale about General Pershing dipping bullets in pig's blood to shoot (extrajudicially) "terrorists"— the Filipinos resisting U.S. occupation — thus fixing "the problem." The well-instructed Charleston audience cheered in approval of being tough and vigilant, "or we're not gonna have a country, folks."

Trump didn't show off his gun in South Carolina when exhibiting his enthusiasm for creatively eliminating enemies. But his intellectual kinship with a fascist like Šešelj (underscored yesterday when he retweeted a quote from Mussolini) was evident. Just as both say whatever comes to their minds, they will do whatever it takes to restore their nation's greatness. Their discourse is charged by a craving for incoherent, yet symbolic, violence. Their violent incoherence is the message, not the noise.



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What color is the sky in your world?

 

[phrodeau]

What color is the sky in your world?

Darkening.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

What color is the sky in your world?

If someone who witnessed first hand the rise of a fascist war criminal in his country tells you that Trump reminds him of this guy you should probably listen.

Comments like "If I say do it, they will do it" when asked if he thought the military would execute the families of terrorists should give anyone with half a brain pause. That is the opinion of a dictator.