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Chris Mathews, Keith Olberman, Paul Krugman, Bill Maher, Rachel Maddow .

Mathews, Mathews only qualify in a stretch. Krugman is just correct and Bill maher doesn't belong on that list at all.

Maddow is extreme, she's generaly right but still.

Nancy Pelosi, Hairy Reed, Hillary Clinton.

Not remotely for any of them and you know it.

No, they aren't a real part of the subject as they are an obscure collection of freaks n' geeks and not at all a good representation of america at large.

Not really. We can look at national polls and see that Lit is actually fairly decent representation of the US as a whole both in terms of sheer numbers and insantity quotient.

Yep....and they get just as extreme about forcing their mediocrity and race to the lowest possible standards to make EVERYONE happy with a gold star liburhul crazy as the Republicans do theirs.

LOL. It'd be cute if it were remotely true. The reality is that they rarely force anything. They mostly just shrug and go away because fighting for what they believe in would require effort and that sounds an awful lot like work. And maybe hurting someones feelings and that would be wrong. We'll just retreat and let them have their fun.

Don't believe? Go tell a bunch of women who seek "equality" that military PT standards for females are bullshit for combat arms MOS's and watch them collectively shit their brains out in total fucking femrage hysteria.

First the women who want those jobs are fairly few and far between but the standards ARE bullshit. Still lets accept this one.

Go tell #BlackLivesMatter that other black people in the street kill more black people in a weekend than white cops will all year.....#LiburhulHysteriaMatters. Pob get his fucking ass kicked into the ICU if not outright lynched/gunned down where he stands.

First that's not actually true but ignore that those are unrelated situations. I'm not supposed to be worried about the cops at all. In fact I should be running to the cops in the case of something going wrong not concerned at all with what they'll do to me. In fact the only reason people bring this up is in an attempt to claim that black deserve what they get and should quit bitching.

Tell a public school supporter you think the government education system is failing our children as we fall further and further behind the rest of the world and watch them absolutely wig the fuck out and by the end of the tirade they are defending PhD's for everyone. Because education is key!

That's because they are pretty much correct in that argument. IT's a shame they are typical cowards and won't fight but they are correct.

Unless gun control....then education/regulation bad...BAN BAN BAN!!! PROHIBITION GOOD! And they are fucking RABID about that too. As if with our political climate that wouldn't start a civil war part deux....fucking insane.

That is both sides and much more common from the Right.

All groups of LW people who have lost it for stating facts that point out flaws/hypocrisy/contradict their political beliefs/religion....that's by definition extremist behavior. LW does it and can get every bit as frenzied about it.

First that's not be definition extremist but lets pretend it is. They are still far less frequent. I'm not pretending we never get frenzied just less frequent and less angrily.

Just because it makes sense to YOU doesn't mean 1/2-2/3 (depending on subject) of us aren't sitting there going "are you fucking insane?:confused:" when we hear/see extreme groups of the LW some of which are NOT tiny or all that different in base behavior from teahaddist and "my cold dead hands" gun loons.

The difference is they simply don't. The closest thing to the Teahaddist that the left got was the Occupy Movement and that lasted. . .what? Six Months. Black Lives MAtter if you want to call it the equivalent (it clearly isn't. I don't see any BLM politicians. The closest would probably be Bernie Sanders and it requires being made of rubber bands to stretch that far) the only reason it's still kicking a year later is because we literally cannot go more than a month or two without cops fucking up again and that's just high profile ones. Police kill on average a person a day in this country and that's JUST what they admit to. The number is easily double that amount if not considerably more.
 
Doesn't matter....if Hillary decides she wants to take the heat and asks for it she's getting a showdown with Trump and you will be in here defending her like a fuckin' honey badger.

In a Trump v. Hilary contest yes I'd vote for Hilary. That's because my views align more with her's than with Trump's.

And please you're in here posting verbatim the NRA, big business, or whatever bullshit right wing assholes' talking points you can find.
 
Rachel and Oreilly are annoying,

Rachel is annoying. O'Reilly I find entertaining if only because he's so often simply wrong. There is a difference between having an opinion that I disagree with and just being factually incorrect. I have to wonder how many of them would have different opinions if they had the proper facts.

A great point of this brought up by Colonel Hogan on the case of immigration and birthright citizenship and how it came to be in this country and the 14th amendment and it's prior history. It absolutely shatters the crux of most conservative arguments ironically without doing a thing to the spirit.

Whether or not birthright citizenship is a good idea or a bad idea is entirely separate from what any body writing the 14th Amendment was thinking at the time. (And there are enough transcripts of them to prove they knew full well that the amendment would extend well beyond the slaves and were not so stupid they couldn't have worded it differently if that was their goal) Nor did they invent the concept out of thin air as is often assumed. It was an American common law inherited from England prior to that. I think most people would agree that in most cases it's not a particularly great idea today and other than it being a fairly dangerous road to travel wouldn't mind eliminating it.
 
Mathews, Mathews only qualify in a stretch. Krugman is just correct and Bill maher doesn't belong on that list at all.

Maddow is extreme, she's generaly right but still.

Not remotely for any of them and you know it.

Bill Maher= Rush Limbaugh and the rest of it is matter of opinion.


Not really. We can look at national polls and see that Lit is actually fairly decent representation of the US as a whole both in terms of sheer numbers and insantity quotient.

Maybe...but not the GB, which is what i was mistakenly thinking of when you said lit.

LOL. It'd be cute if it were remotely true.

It is true if you look at it from the other sides shoes. The left does get its way sometimes.

First that's not actually true but ignore that those are unrelated situations.

Not unrelated....black lives are black lives.

And cops killed 779 folks this year so far, about half were black.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...un/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

Of 2014's 1,029's police killings we can assume (I'm to lazy to link moar) about 1/2 of them were black too.

So going off this we can safely guess and give about 500 -600 black folks total will be killed by the po po this year. Even if every single one of them was pure cold blooded murder, which I doubt more than 5% are but let's just say 10% are....50-60 black people are murdered by cops each year at a hugely inflated figure that's probably more like 15-20 with 4-6 getting out. But even sticking with 60.

FBI has black on black homicide at 2,245 and white on black homicide at 189...

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

Racist propaganda!! ITS NOT TRUE!! ;)

I'm not supposed to be worried about the cops at all. In fact I should be running to the cops in the case of something going wrong not concerned at all with what they'll do to me. In fact the only reason people bring this up is in an attempt to claim that black deserve what they get and should quit bitching.

No one should be.

That's not the reason you're just missing the point.

Which is if black lives really matter they should at the very least be pushing for a community outreach program to try and convince their kids to quit shooting each other up for Smoot/Lil Wayne approved reasons, and further more how to behave when confronted with a police situation so you don't get yourself needlessly killed, alongside scrutiny in the case of cops killing people. Because much like assault rifles, white male cop gunning down black guy in cold blood? Is not anywhere near as common as the dip shit running his mouth on the wrong block corner and getting popped bye some other dip shit for it. But this isn't about black lives, this is about still being mad at the white man.

That's because they are pretty much correct in that argument. IT's a shame they are typical cowards and won't fight but they are correct.

That is both sides and much more common from the Right.

If you really want to discuss the pro's/cons of handing PhD's out like candy to anyone who coughs up the money and shows up to class because that's fair (and profitable!) then start a thread. Otherwise I'm going to say that's a difference of opinion, I don't think they are right at all I think they have fucked up.

First that's not be definition extremist but lets pretend it is. They are still far less frequent. I'm not pretending we never get frenzied just less frequent and less angrily.

Sure, you're right about the definition.....but not about the latter. You really going to make me go dig up videos of LW nuttery too? Less angrily? You guys have fucking riots and shit......who are you lying to me or yourself? :confused: LW civil disobedience and general political whackadoodlery isn't any cuter or noble than RW when standing on the other side of the fence.

The difference is they simply don't. The closest thing to the Teahaddist that the left got was the Occupy Movement and that lasted. . .what? Six Months.

The teashaddist have never, ever, engaged in anything approaching the childish and vulgar nature of Occupy. That's because the Occupy Movement was more of a childish temper tantrum than anything.....oh wait I forgot, lefties just don't do that kinda thing! :rolleyes:

Black Lives MAtter if you want to call it the equivalent (it clearly isn't. I don't see any BLM politicians. The closest would probably be Bernie Sanders and it requires being made of rubber bands to stretch that far) the only reason it's still kicking a year later is because we literally cannot go more than a month or two without cops fucking up again and that's just high profile ones.

Only high profile because that's what the media is focusing and running with as the outrage theme for the moment. Notice they never focus on any other unjustified cop killings? Whit man kills black person...nothing else matters because of emotional response in the community over the crime.

It's hype....it's the new "Assault Rifle" not really all that common in teh grand scheme, but god damn societal rage over it is at fuckin' 11!!! Because .22's just don't strike fear like "Assault Rifle" even though they kill many times more people.
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And the media will ride that emotional nerve till it goes numb just like they have with crazy people shooting shit up. Now they don't even report the shit barely anymore unless dead toddlers or white guy kills bunch of black people.

#BlacklivesMatter only exist and has the support it does because 'teh media' sayz so. As soon as #BlacklivesMatter blogs quit getting 22 million #rageResponses they will start to die off.

Police kill on average a person a day in this country and that's JUST what they admit to. The number is easily double that amount if not considerably more.

Even if that figure doubled wasn't speculation, the arguments would be luke warm at best, take away justifiable cop shootings and it runs cold pretty quick.

#BlacklivesMatter isn't about saving black lives, it's about still being mad at white men. Not that they don't have reason.....but they are bull shitting about their real source of anger as a community. If they weren't black lives would matter beyond just when white male cop takes them.
 
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In a Trump v. Hilary contest yes I'd vote for Hilary. That's because my views align more with her's than with Trump's.

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And please you're in here posting verbatim the NRA, big business, or whatever bullshit right wing assholes' talking points you can find.

Post the quotes then.....and even if yo manage to so what?

Doesn't change the fact that you're voting for whoever (D) tells you to.
 
Rachel is annoying. O'Reilly I find entertaining if only because he's so often simply wrong. There is a difference between having an opinion that I disagree with and just being factually incorrect. I have to wonder how many of them would have different opinions if they had the proper facts.
thats why i used to watch more him than her when i was watching the news but i always found Colbert report much better :D
 
thats why i used to watch more him than her when i was watching the news but i always found Colbert report much better :D

Daily Show and Colbert Report were satires which gave more real news than Fox!
 
Daily Show and Colbert Report were satires which gave more real news than Fox!

not just fox, but all other news channels that were more into fighting(and pushing their agenda) each other than giving news.
 
On no planet does Maher=Rush. Not in volume (3 hours five days a week for Rush vs 1 hour a week for Maher) not in rhetoric and not in partisan ship. They are not remotely similar.

And no black lives = black lives is bullshit. People killed by the police and the police by and large walking is not the same as people killed by criminals who are caught, tried and put in jail.

Like I already said that entire argument is basically a less than subtle way saying "blacks you deserve to be shot like animals!"
 
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Like it or not, you're about as close to your average democrat as the good Col. is a typical Republican.

Reality is most are more like DanC/UD.....Hillary Clinton could gut puppies on live TV with a butter knife just before she gunned down 1,000 kids with an AK and they would defend it till their dying fuckin' breath.

You run Kim K they would do the same. .... DNC could run a fucking border collie and they would back it.

Once again proving you know jack shit about my feelings regarding Hillary Clinton. :rolleyes:

I've already said several times that if she gets the nomination I will refuse to vote, even if it's a contest between her and Mr. Toupee.. I'm watching Bernie Sanders closely. Him I could vote for.
 
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On no planet does Maher=Rush. Not in volume (3 hours five days a week for Rush

Point...

vs 1 hour a week for Maher) not in rhetoric and not in partisan ship. They are not remotely similar.

No points....because yes and yes...you just don't see it because you see it from his POV, sounds perfectly sane to you. To the other side of the fence he's fucking insane.

And no black lives = black lives is bullshit.

No it's not...either black lives matter or they don't.....

Not just when white male cop kills one.

People killed by the police and the police by and large walking is not the same as people killed by criminals who are caught, tried and put in jail.

The majority of those crimes are not solved.

And here you are presenting a smoot argument....loosing a children to hood violence all day long is more acceptable than the occasional murderous white cop.....gee....I wonder why the fuck that is. Must be because black lives matter so much right? :rolleyes:

Like I already said that entire argument is basically a less than subtle way saying "blacks you deserve to be shot like animals!"

No that's what you wish it was to avoid the reality that is #blacklivesmatter......a steaming pile of racially motivated quasi political horseshit that should be re-named #BlacklivesMatterButtonlyWhenWhiteManDoesit.

Once again proving you know jack shit about my feelings regarding Hillary Clinton. :rolleyes:

I've already said several times that if she gets the nomination I will refuse to vote, even if it's a contest between her and Mr. Toupee.. I'm watching Bernie Sanders closely. Him I could vote for.

I stand corrected on the specifics, but I still think you're a diehard, scorch the Earth partisan hack. Even challenging the idea that extreme leftism might not be all that perfect sends you into fucking grand mal style fits of rage.
 
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I think you just don't listen to Maher. If you'd stuck with Maddow I'd be more inclined to agree but Maher not only doesn't go there but consistently calls out liberals/democrats (and yes he does separate them) for their bullshit. Rush occasionally calls out Republicans but only under the "these people aren't Conservatives to begin with" banner. Also I don't agree with Maher on a lot of things.

The race of the cop is immaterial. Black and Latino cops are just as bad. They are not the same and in nobody else is forced to pretend that they do. Let's put your arguement another way.

American lives matter! Not just when they are killed by Muslims. Police ADMIT to killing on average 400 Americans a year. if 1% of those are wrongful deaths they kill more Americans annually than terrorists do. We sink trillions into fighting people who do close to nothing and very little into even training our police better. Or hell as you've pointed out we could spend money properly securing goddamn vending Machines and probably save more lives and spend less money. How you are killed and how the system (legal in this case) treats them are important.

No, that is exactly what it is. It's barely veiled if we're being honest.
 
I think you just don't listen to Maher. If you'd stuck with Maddow I'd be more inclined to agree but Maher not only doesn't go there but consistently calls out liberals/democrats (and yes he does separate them) for their bullshit. Rush occasionally calls out Republicans but only under the "these people aren't Conservatives to begin with" banner. Also I don't agree with Maher on a lot of things.

Your opinion of him does not change who he is and what he represents to the RW community of these United States....

The race of the cop is immaterial.

That's a god damn lie and you know it.

Black and Latino cops are just as bad.

But they don't get ANYWHERE NEAR...the media hype and outrage, not even fucking close.

They are not the same and in nobody else is forced to pretend that they do.

The loss of life is exactly the fucking same.....

#BlackLivesMatter only cares when it's a white cop that does the killing. Which means #BlacklivesMatter doesn't give a fuck about black lives, it gives a fuck about white cops that kill black people and little else.

No, that is exactly what it is. It's barely veiled if we're being honest.

If you were being honest you'ed at least admit this is a mad at white man issue, not a "we are so concerned about black lives" issue.

But if you insist on hiding your rage at white folks behind #blackLivesMatter, nothing I can do about it but peddle the bullshit else ware, until I see that movement do something other than bitch about white cops, I'm not buying it.
 
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Once again proving you know jack shit about my feelings regarding Hillary Clinton. :rolleyes:

The last that botany knows jack shit about is long and wide.

Go back and read his hilarious posts about his million dollar business, his gun collection, or his PhD.
 
What he represents and what he actually is are two entirely different entities. Bill Maher does not spew similar amounts of hatred to Rush Limbaugh, he quite simply doesn't and half the stuff he does get shit for are things said on his comedy tour which should be treated separately from his "news" program anyway.

No, I don't know that it's a lie. The race of the cop isn't actually that important. You're right that black and latino cops don't get as much shit. Course white cops out number black cops even in predominantly black neighborhoods. And Asian and Latino cops may as well not exist.

The loss of life may be the same if you're just looking at the life but the how and why do matter to most people. I notice you completely didn't even choose to acknowledge that 3k people killed by terrorists and virtually nobody claims we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan or destroyed the Taliban over that. How many die of DUI's each year again? Well it was 10k in 2013. Where's the outrage?! Don't all lives matter not just those killed by MUSLIMS?! Fuck no, they get a PSA on a show and a blurb at the end of Beer commercials about drinking responsibly. It is not the same, and it is NEVER the same.

It's not a mad at white man issue at all. It's a mad at the government issue and the government is primarily white but it would make no difference if they were black, latino, asian, native american, romulan, or elfish.

No rage against white people at all. I could give the BS about "some of my friends are white" but that would be BS. The truth is if you exclude my blood relatives I NEVER ASSOCIATE WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS OUTSIDE OF WORK. I've got one Asian, one Latino and everybody else is white as the driven know can trace their heritage back to their home towns in Europe white.

Me and blacks have NEVER gotten along. Why? I believe the polite term for me is Oreo, or Carlton. I'm well spoken, don't cause trouble, read a lot, was never really intrested in sports, never did any drugs and was 21 when I had my first real drink (glasses of wine at holidays nonwithstanding) and 23 before I started drinking on a regular basis.

When cops are even represented evenly by thier communities people will bitch about something other than white cops. But as it stands that's about like bitching about non-white male politicians in general or presidents in particular. And Blacklivesmatter isn't just about the deaths it's about the entire fucking system. The fact that they decided to start at the top with cops shooting people instead of say with the masses in jail or that Ferguson was confirmed to be a shakedown racket isn't really the point.
 
No, I don't know that it's a lie.

It's not a mad at white man issue at all.

I'll buy you actually believe that as soon as you admit in damn near every single instance of black person killed by police, the cop didn't kill the black person because he was black but because he didn't listen to or obey the orders given to him by the officer and got shot for it.


I notice you completely didn't even choose to acknowledge that 3k people killed by terrorists and virtually nobody claims we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan or destroyed the Taliban over that.

I do....lot's of people do...that was a total fuck up. We went in unwilling to win, it was fucking dumber than dog shit to do it.

And you're right...getting wigged out over terrorist is fucking stupid. I'm far more scared of High Fructose Corn Syrup.
 
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I'll buy you actually believe that as soon as you admit in damn near every single instance of black person killed by police, the cop didn't kill the black person because he was black but because he didn't listen to or obey the orders given to him by the officer and got shot for it.




I do....lot's of people do...that was a total fuck up. We went in unwilling to win, it was fucking dumber than dog shit to do it.

And you're right...getting wigged out over terrorist is fucking stupid. I'm far more scared of High Fructose Corn Syrup.

Given the cases it seems pretty clear that they are killed because they are black. Whites who do the same thing are clearly given a lot more leeway and there are plenty of pretty damn cut and dry cases too. The ones where the black person wasn't following orders don't even make the goddamn news. 400 people (probably much much more than that) are shot a year and we still only hear about this once every couple of months. The fact that this is a race issue doesn't make it anti white.

You're reason for thinking Afghanistan was a bad war at least according to what you just wrote is that we weren't feeling genocidal. Not that we weren't justified and not that a fraction of those resources couldn't have saved many more lives.

I'm not scared of terrorists (who rarely kill Americans) or high fructose corn syrup which might maybe eventually kill me but it's gonna be a long time coming and aside from medical costs /taxes doesn't hurt anybody but me. I'm not worried about sharks, or bees, or militias. Okay I'm worried about bees dissapearing if that counts.
 
Given the cases it seems pretty clear that they are killed because they are black.

Like I said, it's a fuckin' race issue....;)

If it weren't #BlackLivesMatter wouldn't be out there giving a pass to everyone gunning down black lives in the streets, except white cops. :D

You're reason for thinking Afghanistan was a bad war at least according to what you just wrote is that we weren't feeling genocidal. Not that we weren't justified and not that a fraction of those resources couldn't have saved many more lives.

That makes it unjustifiable, a waste that should have been burnt elsewhere on something more productive.

As it stands it stands if we are to be honest about it, we did it all for vengeance and greed, not because they are a significant military threat, not for justice. Or the nookie because gross....

I'm not scared of terrorists (who rarely kill Americans) or high fructose corn syrup which might maybe eventually kill me but it's gonna be a long time coming and aside from medical costs /taxes doesn't hurt anybody but me. I'm not worried about sharks, or bees, or militias. Okay I'm worried about bees dissapearing if that counts.

But you're worried about the remote chance a white cop will gun you down in cold blood for fun? If I was a black man I'd be far more scared of other black men....they are a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threat than Klan Kops.
 
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I didn't say it wasn't a race issue. I said it wasn't about anger towards whites. And black lives matter is focused and with good reasons.

While I think it was justifiable that's not the point. The point here is that you think if we'd gone in more bad ass it would have been okay. Not that 3k dead Americans cannot justify invading another country period. Because those 3k are special and you know it.

We did go in for vengeance but not for greed. Of course they were not and are not a military threat of any real sort. But it wasn't greed that motivated the masses. It was fear and anger and at least somewhat legit for both. Iraq on the other hand was pure as the driven snow fear.

I'm not worried about cops or black people. But I am pissed off that my government doesn't do something about what is clearly a significant problem under their control. The government is there to protect me, the general population is not.

And it's not JUST getting killed. Don't know how many times I have to repeat that it's law enforcement as a whole. The entire ordeal from top to bottom.
 
I didn't say it wasn't a race issue.

The race of the cop is immaterial.

So it's only a race issue for the white cop when killing black people?

It's not a race issue when #BlackLivesMatter gives EVERYONE but white cop a pass.....but when white cop kills black person, when white crazy kills black people #OutrageLevel11.... there isn't any, ANY, racial tension on the behalf of black people, the black community is simply above that right?

LOL Give me a fucking break......

I said it wasn't about anger towards whites.

And I'm calling BULL FUCKING SHIT!!! BULL SHIT!!

And black lives matter is focused and with good reasons.

Never said they didn't have good reasons....but let's be real the racial tension is on both sides....black people aren't so fucking noble that they are above it.

While I think it was justifiable that's not the point. The point here is that you think if we'd gone in more bad ass it would have been okay. Not that 3k dead Americans cannot justify invading another country period. Because those 3k are special and you know it.

No I think if we'd gone in more bad ass we would have gotten something out of it other than an uber bill.

I don't really think they are except in the minds of those who watched a lot of news reports. Because 99.999% of US citizens can't name a single fucking person who died that day without looking it up.

We did go in for vengeance but not for greed. Of course they were not and are not a military threat of any real sort. But it wasn't greed that motivated the masses. It was fear and anger and at least somewhat legit for both. Iraq on the other hand was pure as the driven snow fear.

LOL yea that must have been why Pizza Hut and Harley Davidson were nipping on the front lines heels and contractors were being paid 18x what joe was being paid....to do NOTHING. No greed at all. :rolleyes:

Fear...there was nothing there to fear. Bunch of 3rd world ass clowns.

I'm not worried about cops or black people. But I am pissed off that my government doesn't do something about what is clearly a significant problem under their control. The government is there to protect me, the general population is not.

And it's not JUST getting killed. Don't know how many times I have to repeat that it's law enforcement as a whole. The entire ordeal from top to bottom.

And back to my original point it's only significant because media hype....

Reality is psycho Klan Kop killing black people for shits n' giggles is not at all that common nor a significant loss of black lives in the US.

Then call for law enforcement reforms and quit hyping and riding on psycho Killer klan kop that occasionally pops up. While your at it start crucifying some of the black/latino cops that kill black people, shove a CNN microscope up their pee hole for once.

Till then...still #Pissed@WhiteMan.
 
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It's amazing how good you are at twisting this to utter bullshit. Believe what you want.
 
Well there ya go, Trump signed the pledge. He will not run as an independent after he loses in the primary.
 
From what I was hearing on CNN (and confirming it would require probably hours of research) running as an independent was never a realistic thing even for Trump. Apparently there is a shit ton of paperwork and signatures involved if you aren't a Democrat or REpublican in which case the National Commitee need only say "you are the man go forth and win." And in addition many states a (again according to CNN) have sore loser laws which basically say you can't lose the primary and then run as an independant. No states nor territories were specified so that's 50+ places would need to be checked individually so until someone comes up with evidence they are wrong I'm taking their word for it.
 
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