Vote republican if you want to let freedom ring! Vote republican to keep your GUNS!

[commonfreeman]

The 2nd amendment is meant as part of the check and balance system, not as right to deer hunt. The government can always win a war, but controlling and occupying the country is a totally different animal especially when the soldiers come from the general populace of the country. Iraq is doing a number on us and they are a divided population, if they unified and we fighting for freedom and a better way of life, we would be getting our butts kicked

 

[Chemscout]

WHAT IF?...Say Russia invaded America and one day some Russian decided he wanted your house, your car, your wife....then what? Would be nice to have a gun and know how to shoot it...right? LOL

The example doesn't even have to be that extreme, really. Ask the folks who live along the border about the problems with MS13. That's a very real issue.

As far as being invaded, back in 1916, the US WAS invaded and civilians were forced to literally fight off an invading militia.

CS

 

[Memphis_Man]

The example doesn't even have to be that extreme, really. Ask the folks who live along the border about the problems with MS13. That's a very real issue.

As far as being invaded, back in 1916, the US WAS invaded and civilians were forced to literally fight off an invading militia.

CS

Seriously, the whole world is trigger happy and we have no idea what the future holds.....one nuclear bomb on top of Washington could wipe out our whole gov't then it would be each man for himself.

Those wacky guys building underground bunkers all over America in the 60's and 70's do not seem so wacky anymore

 

[Sean Renaud]

The 2nd amendment is meant as part of the check and balance system, not as right to deer hunt. The government can always win a war, but controlling and occupying the country is a totally different animal especially when the soldiers come from the general populace of the country. Iraq is doing a number on us and they are a divided population, if they unified and we fighting for freedom and a better way of life, we would be getting our butts kicked

I respectfully disagree. Not only are they not really doing a number on us now, but if they were united and doing more than occasionally bloodying our noses we wouldn't be playing with kid gloves anymore.

 

[commonfreeman]

I respectfully disagree. Not only are they not really doing a number on us now, but if they were united and doing more than occasionally bloodying our noses we wouldn't be playing with kid gloves anymore.

For what little they are doing its effective and its only by a minority. If we had a full out street to street fights erupt all over Iraq, we would have 1000 a month in casualities and no battle front to send troops to fly sortis. It would be a mess.

 

[KingOrfeo]

WHAT IF?...Say Russia invaded America and one day some Russian decided he wanted your house, your car, your wife....then what? Would be nice to have a gun and know how to shoot it...right? LOL

Ah, yeah . . . right . . .

 

[KingOrfeo]

The 2nd amendment is meant as part of the check and balance system, not as right to deer hunt. The government can always win a war, but controlling and occupying the country is a totally different animal especially when the soldiers come from the general populace of the country. Iraq is doing a number on us and they are a divided population, if they unified and we fighting for freedom and a better way of life, we would be getting our butts kicked

Look, it's one thing to talk about an armed populace as a last-ditch defense against foreign invaders, but when you use a phrase like "the check and balance system" it implies you're envisioning an armed populace resisting the government. If that's what the Second Amendment was meant for, then it was a mistake or worse. The Constitution is not a suicide pact, etc.

 

[bronzeage]

You want to make a joke about Marshall law but it can happen anywhere and DID in Memphis back in 1978! I was young and wild and the whole city was a war zone....the Memphis police went on strike for 8 days!

Business owners were camped out on the roof with guns and lawn chairs to keep away the looters, teenagers were drag racing on the interstate and inner city streets without worry of being pulled over. It was chaos! So many people would have lost their life or business if we did not have the weapons back then to defend our home and business and keep the looters and criminals away. And for 8 days everyone in Memphis was in charge of their own safety and we survived.

The national guard was called in and homeowners were instructed to use deadly force if anyone tried to enter your home.....sounds like a movie but it was real!

And.....it could happen today in any city, so what will you do to protect yourself if you do not have a gun? I say thank GOD for the constitution!

I just checked the arsenal and it looks like I am in good shape.

If my home is invaded, I will be able to kill at least 20 of the invaders, provided they rush me in groups of less than 5, because with the plug removed, 5 shells is all my shot gun holds. I have a back up 22 rifle, but it is a bolt action single shot. I am not sure what the stopping power would be, but I think I could manage a rate of fire of at least 20 to 30 rounds per minute, which would give me less than 5 minutes. I probably need more shot gun shells and .22long rifles, because it look like I would have to surrender all I own after a 10 minute fire fight. Eight days is out of the question.

Maybe I should look into land mines.

 

[commonfreeman]

Look, it's one thing to talk about an armed populace as a last-ditch defense against foreign invaders, but when you use a phrase like "the check and balance system" it implies you're envisioning an armed populace resisting the government. If that's what the Second Amendment was meant for, then it was a mistake or worse. The Constitution is not a suicide pact, etc.

Read Thomas Jefferson. Tyranny can come from any government that no longer represents the people it rules. And do think freedom of the press is only for reporting on other governments.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Read Thomas Jefferson. Tyranny can come from any government that no longer represents the people it rules.

No doubt that's always a possibility. But that's no grounds for designing an insurrection feature into the system! If Jefferson thought it was, that's just one more of the things he was wrong about.

It's all very resounding to say, "The people should not be afraid of the government, the government should be afraid of the people," but any government that actually has to be is hardly a government at all, and then you don't get some Jeffersonian libertopia, you get something like Iraq is today, or Memphis during the police strike.

And do think freedom of the press is only for reporting on other governments.

Not at all, I used to be a newspaper reporter. But you're comparing apples and literary concepts.

 

[Memphis_Man]

I just checked the arsenal and it looks like I am in good shape.

If my home is invaded, I will be able to kill at least 20 of the invaders, provided they rush me in groups of less than 5, because with the plug removed, 5 shells is all my shot gun holds. I have a back up 22 rifle, but it is a bolt action single shot. I am not sure what the stopping power would be, but I think I could manage a rate of fire of at least 20 to 30 rounds per minute, which would give me less than 5 minutes. I probably need more shot gun shells and .22long rifles, because it look like I would have to surrender all I own after a 10 minute fire fight. Eight days is out of the question.

Maybe I should look into land mines.

Why do you need so many rounds? Make the first shot count...the best gun for home defense is a shotgun loaded with 00 Buckshot!

 

[bronzeage]

Why do you need so many rounds? Make the first shot count...the best gun for home defense is a shotgun loaded with 00 Buckshot!

I have that. I am counting on "one round, one kill." The body count will be around 120 before I have to bug out.

When did looters and home invaders start working alone? Anti-personel mines look like the way to go, as long as the thugs aren't drag racing armored vehicles on the Interstate.

 

[The Heretic]

There are other rights issues besides those relating to the Second Amendment - like those relating to all the other amendments, which the Bush regime has totally trashed. What good is your right to keep a gun if the government can kidnap you, throw you in a secret prison, torture you and keep you incommunicado without the right to habeas corpus?

I don't like the Dem's stance on guns, but I am much more worried about the Republican's stance on the Patriot Act.

Besides, I won't vote for either party.

 

[marshalt]

Yup, I like my guns as much as anyone else. But I don't see why anyone needs a tripod mounted 50 caliber machine gun on their roof.

For deer?
Self defense?

What?

And what happens when you have to justify every gun you own?

 

[Chemscout]

And what happens when you have to justify every gun you own?

Thankfully, under the laws of our country, we have absolutely no need to justify any firearm we own--quite unlike other countries. With the new decision in the D.C. case, I can see a lot more of these questionably legal laws being challenged successfully and struck down. Sometimes our judicial system is a wonderful thing.

Besides, does anyone have to justify buying a huge pickup truck? That is more likely to kill innocent people than the Barret .50 caliber rifle I can walk into the local store and buy without even having to stop for a 'please sir, may I have a permit' visit to anyone.

CS

 

[Memphis_Man]

Thankfully, under the laws of our country, we have absolutely no need to justify any firearm we own--quite unlike other countries. With the new decision in the D.C. case, I can see a lot more of these questionably legal laws being challenged successfully and struck down. Sometimes our judicial system is a wonderful thing.

Besides, does anyone have to justify buying a huge pickup truck? That is more likely to kill innocent people than the Barret .50 caliber rifle I can walk into the local store and buy without even having to stop for a 'please sir, may I have a permit' visit to anyone.

CS

Each gun has a serial number and some states keep close track of each one. BUT...I do own some guns that are so old they never had serial numbers dating past 1920.

 

[marshalt]

Thankfully, under the laws of our country, we have absolutely no need to justify any firearm we own--

Not yet we don't...

 

[Chemscout]

Each gun has a serial number and some states keep close track of each one. BUT...I do own some guns that are so old they never had serial numbers dating past 1920.

Only if you register it. Quite a few states do not have compulsory registration laws.


And even if they do, there is always person-to-person sale of a secondhand firearm. It's none of the state's (or the Fed-Gov's) business what we have.


CS

 

[Fyreguy2006]

Okay let me address the gun hysteria from a purely fact filled side of the argument.

1) It is illegal for anyone to own a fully automatic weapon (one that once loaded and cocked will continue to fire once the trigger is pulled until either the trigger is released or you run out of ammunition) without the proper Federal Firearms License #3. This is not at all an easy license to get in most places.

2) Semi-automatic weapons (one that once loaded and cocked must have the trigger pulled for each individual time the weapon is fired) are legal to own, no matter if it looks like a hunting rifle or an "assault rifle."

3) The overwhelming number of gun owners are law abiding citizens that have never broken any law with their guns. The ridiculous image of gun owners being blood thirsty animals waiting for the opportunity to kill someone is simply idiotic.

4) The vast majority of guns used in crimes were purchased illegally and obviously owned illegally by the person committing the crime.

5) Making more laws to restrict gun ownership by law abiding citizens does NOTHING to prevent the use of guns in the commission of a crime. Criminals don't follow gun control laws anymore than any other law.

6) When Australia passed their strict control laws and took guns from the hands of law abiding citizens, home invasions, robberies, and assaults increased dramatically. There is no reason not to believe similar circumstances would occur here if the same type of gun control measures were inacted.


I am completely in favor of a Federal law that says anytime a gun is used in the commission of a crime the criminal gets a 10 year prison sentence that can not be plea bargained away. Punish the actual criminal for their crimes not the average citizen who simply wants to own guns.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

And what happens when you have to justify every gun you own?

That's fear mongering bull shit.

Anyone who tries to take the position that they want automatic weapons in case they have to resist government oppression is full of shit. If that were the actual concern they would be trying to buy a tank, rocket launchers, flame throwers.. You know, weapons actually capable of turning back soldiers, not an M-16.

 

[Fyreguy2006]

That's fear mongering bull shit.

Anyone who tries to take the position that they want automatic weapons in case they have to resist government oppression is full of shit. If that were the actual concern they would be trying to buy a tank, rocket launchers, flame throwers.. You know, weapons actually capable of turning back soldiers, not an M-16.

The fact is many shooters are hobbyists the same as any other hobbyists except their interest is guns and shooting. The huge majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that enjoy the sport of shooting either as target shooters or hunters.


Fear mongering bull shit? Says who? YOU? It has already been done. During the Clinton years several semi automatic weapons were made illegal. The size of magazines were retricted to 10 in pistols and high capacity magazines for rifles were restricted.

Barrack Obama has a clear record stating he supports the banning of manufacture and possesion of handguns, banning the manufacture and possesion of assault rifles(someone please define this term), that despite what federal law says about gun onwership states and municipalities can override that and be even more restrictive, limit gun purchases to one a month, ban semi-automatic weapons, voted no on bill to prohibit basically frivilous civil lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Golly seems to be enough evidence to support a true concern for gun owners rights.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'm shopping for a new handgun right this very minute.. Maybe a Glock or a Baretta.. I've even considered buying an AR-15 just for sheer nostalgia.

I'm voting for Obama. I'm not at all concerned that he, or anyone else, will take away my guns.

Single issue voters are fools.

 

[Fyreguy2006]

I'm shopping for a new handgun right this very minute.. Maybe a Glock or a Baretta.. I've even considered buying an AR-15 just for sheer nostalgia.

I'm voting for Obama. I'm not at all concerned that he, or anyone else, will take away my guns.

Single issue voters are fools.

Okay, first of all it is Beretta. Glocks are just plain ugly.

Secondly, I agree on single issue voters. That's why I have to shake my head at the pro-abortion crowd's hysteria that John McClain will end abortion. It didn't happen during Reagan's 8 years, or George Bush seniors 4 years, or George Bush 2's 8 years with one of the most conservative supreme courts in history. By the way let me make this clear up front, I am NOT anti-abortion. I believe other than the mother and the father of the unborn it is no one's business whether they keep it or abort it.

If you are thinking about an AR-15 let me suggest you look at a Springfield Armory M1A Scout rifle in 7.62 mm. An awe weapon in a little more serious caliber.

 

[BoobsNBrains]

I own a bunch of guns. Sooner or later I will have to get around to buying some bullets.

You know what they say, guns don't kill people, its the bullets.

Why did Bugs Bunny just go through my brain?

"Hmmm...no more buwwets!"

Also, memphis man is a fucking idiot. That is all.

 

[bronzeage]

Why did Bugs Bunny just go through my brain?

"Hmmm...no more buwwets!"

Also, memphis man is a fucking idiot. That is all.

You know, the bullets, without the gun, are damn near useless, unless you are really good with a slingshot.