When did liberals fall in love with Islam/Islamics?

[Boxlicker101]

Because they obviously didn't do the job right the first time.



Level every city and town in N. Ireland and there would have never been an IRA.



It gets shit done.

Under the right circumstances it does. but leveling N. Ireland would have meant the British allying themselves with the IRA.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why not nuking them?

Because that just irradiates everything....how do you pay your war bills with a radioactive hole? You can't. Conventional munitions are the only way to go.

Under the right circumstances it does. but leveling N. Ireland would have meant the British allying themselves with the IRA.

No it would have meant the end of the conflict, there would be no IRA there would be 18,090 survivors begging you not to mow them down. They will give/do anything. Maybe they are stubborn? Kill them all....

Attrition will always lead to victory through capitulation or total annihilation.

And if you're not ready to KILL enough people to BREAK an entire population to your will up to and including total annihilation then you need to park your armed forces because you have already lost the war. The fuck are you even doing?

Being a (R)epublican looking for a welfare contract to build shit we don't need and will never use for the fuckin' Army/Navy. Bitching about how much money Tesla got while asking for more JSF spending LOL.

 

[DeYaKen]

Because that just irradiates everything....how do you pay your war bills with a radioactive hole? You can't. Conventional munitions are the only way to go.



No it would have meant the end of the conflict, there would be no IRA there would be 18,090 survivors begging you not to mow them down. They will give/do anything. Maybe they are stubborn? Kill them all....

Attrition will always lead to victory through capitulation or total annihilation.

And if you're not ready to KILL enough people to BREAK an entire population to your will up to and including total annihilation then you need to park your armed forces because you have already lost the war. The fuck are you even doing?

Being a (R)epublican looking for a welfare contract to build shit we don't need and will never use for the fuckin' Army/Navy. Bitching about how much money Tesla got while asking for more JSF spending LOL.

Lets put this in terms that even BB can understand.

You have a number of people in Texas who think that their state should leave the Union. Now imagine that, in support of their campaign they plant bombs in New York and Washington.

BB's solution is that you kill everyone in Texas. Reduce every city to rubble. The Texans would see the bombers coming and just sit in their apartments waiting to die. The Texans living elsewhere and those that survived would be so cowed by the federal government's actions that they would just accept that the Federal government had won and all future protests would stop never to reappear. There would be no hatred of the Federal Government, no determination to seek revenge, just meek acceptance.

I don't believe that and history is on my side. It may provide a temporary solution as it did in Chechnya, but it would be only temporary. The hatred and determination just intensifies.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lets put this in terms that even BB can understand.

You have a number of people in Texas who think that their state should leave the Union. Now imagine that, in support of their campaign they plant bombs in New York and Washington.

Uh hua.....

BB's solution is that you kill everyone in Texas. Reduce every city to rubble. The Texans would see the bombers coming and just sit in their apartments waiting to die. The Texans living elsewhere and those that survived would be so cowed by the federal government's actions that they would just accept that the Federal government had won and all future protests would stop never to reappear. There would be no hatred of the Federal Government, no determination to seek revenge, just meek acceptance.

Because people in apartments and trailer parks have radar systems beyond those of the USAF.....right.

I didn't say survivors would be happy about it and they would accept it just as they did before. When you have nothing to fight for nor the means or personnel to fight.....meek acceptance is the only option.

They already hate the government. They can have all the determination for revenge they want, doesn't matter when you remove the means for them to exact it.

I don't believe that and history is on my side. It may provide a temporary solution as it did in Chechnya, but it would be only temporary. The hatred and determination just intensifies.

History is not on your side. Pacifism doesn't win wars, sorry.

They didn't do what I'm talking about in Chechnya. Hatred and determination can intensify all they want, make it vanish.

 

[DeYaKen]

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[DeYaKen]

Uh hua.....



Because people in apartments and trailer parks have radar systems beyond those of the USAF.....right.

I didn't say survivors would be happy about it and they would accept it just as they did before. When you have nothing to fight for nor the means or personnel to fight.....meek acceptance is the only option.

They already hate the government. They can have all the determination for revenge they want, doesn't matter when you remove the means for them to exact it.

Oh didn't you know, there are Texans in USAF Texans whose wives and children are going to be killed. Of course, they wouldn't call Mom and Pop and say get out of there folks the bombers are coming. Did you really think the state government would sit back and do nothing, not even tell the population what was going to happen. No, of course, they wouldn't, they would simply accept that the government knows what's good for them. It is in the national interest, Let them die.

History is not on your side. Pacifism doesn't win wars, sorry.

You are the only one talking about pacifism here. Seems that you can only see polar opposites.

They didn't do what I'm talking about in Chechnya. Hatred and determination can intensify all they want, make it vanish.

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They did exactly what you are talking about in Chechnya. They destroyed everything and everyone who didn't run away. If you'd read the FT article you would know that. The people ran, as soon as the first bomb dropped. They ran to the mountains. Mountains that the bombs couldn't destroy. Mountains they could defend. As soon as the red army scaled down it's presence they came back. When the Russians repeated the operation leaving no one alive, the people ran again. Once more they are back but this time, Vlad wanted his might elsewhere and he got smart. He could see that it would go on for decades.

It's taken 25 years but the guerrillas have won. Just as they did in Nicaragua, Cuba and yes, Viet Nam. Didn't win in NI though, it is still part of the UK and will remain so until the majority of the people want otherwise. They got concessions but it was a long way short of what they wanted.

As for making hatred and determination vanish, you can't it will always find a home. You can chase it from country to country destoying them all, but even when the USA is the only place where people survive, that hatred and determination will still exist.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh didn't you know, there are Texans in USAF

Not after Texas declares war on the USA there isn't......

You are the only one talking about pacifism here.

Says the guy arguing that attrition and resource deprivation doesn't win wars...LOL

They did exactly what you are talking about in Chechnya.

No they didn't.

As for making hatred and determination vanish, you can't it will always find a home. You can chase it from country to country destoying them all, but even when the USA is the only place where people survive, that hatred and determination will still exist.

They can hate all they want, they start throwing punches though you kill and destroy until they cry uncle. That's war.

 

[DeYaKen]

Not after Texas declares war on the USA there isn't......

Read the scenario, I know it's hard for you but try again, Texas did not declare war on anybody A movement who want Texas to leave the union, planted bombs. It was a terror campaign. The sort that you claim can be won with military might.

I tried to make it easier for you by moving the Northern Ireland situation to the USA, a place I thought that you might understand.

Says the guy arguing that attrition and resource deprivation doesn't win wars...LOL

No I have NEVER said that. I said the opposite

Attrition : Noun
1:Erosion by friction
2:The wearing down of rock particles by friction due to water or ice.
3:sorrow for sin arising from a fear of damnation
4:a wearing down to weaken and destroy (as in war of attrition)
5:the act of rubbing together, wearing something down.

Either you need a new dictionary or you are deliberately misquoting me.

I have already said that resource deprivation and attrition as stated in definition 4 is how you win a guerrilla war. Going in with all guns blazing and killing everything in sight ( Your solution ) is not.

name me a single guerrilla war where such action has resulted in unconditional surrender, as opposed to a negotiated settlement. Oh, by the way, you can chalk El Salvador up to my tally as well.

No they didn't.

Okay apart from the fact that they used missiles and artillery instead of your flying dinosaurs, how did it differ?

They can hate all they want, they start throwing punches though you kill and destroy until they cry uncle. That's war.

That's conventional war as in WW2. The world has moved on. With terrorists and guerrillas, you got to find them first. That's why they keep hurting you, You are stuck in old ways while they keep changing.

 

[PoppingTom]

Because that just irradiates everything....

Which is the perfect solution to avoid the breeding of IRA terrorists on British soil.

 

[PoppingTom]

Okay apart from the fact that they used missiles and artillery instead of your flying dinosaurs, how did it differ?

Purpleboy don't know. He's just guessing they didn't, as they haven't won. Everybody who ever lost in a war did so because PC stuff or cowardism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

name me a single guerrilla war where such action has resulted in unconditional surrender, as opposed to a negotiated settlement.

That's conventional war as in WW2. The world has moved on. With terrorists and guerrillas, you got to find them first. That's why they keep hurting you, You are stuck in old ways while they keep changing.

Name me one where we tried?

Post WWII everyone with a stick to beat the piss out of someone with agreed not to do what I'm talking about because it's fuckin' fucked up.

Guerrillas only get to be guerrillas because of these rules preventing everyone with the ability to do what I'm talking about doing from doing it. Humanity's overall sense of morality said no. Because before that when you went to war you just killed everyone and it got shit done. It was and still is an effective way to wage war. We just don't anymore because human beings are "better" than that. IDK I think it' silly if you got a big population of assholes causing problem I don't see why we can't just waste the whole lot of them and move on. It's not like it would put the human race on the endangered species list or some shit.

In the case of civil conflict, well you put up with their shit until they get tired of dishing it or you go fuck their shit up and have a good culling of the population until you've all had enough, there is no real middle ground. But even civil wars get won when one side just fuckin' rails the other side a new one. Few African conflicts come to mind.

My whole grand point to all this is not that we should go this route. Just that it is an effective way to handle shit and in the case of the middle east likely the only way the use of force will EVER be effective. We simply are not going to win these peoples hearts and minds to the point they abandon their culture for starbucks, wal mart and the American dream. We aren't going to be able to smack them around like we have been and get them to buy it.

We either lock them in their own box until they sort their own shit out or if we are going to use military force we need to get real about the level of carnage it's going to take to stop the bull shit. If we aren't ready to go kill a few hundred million people we need to just stay the fuck home and send them an Email wishing them good luck and a promise to do business when they grow the fuck up. I prefer the latter option but the kill everyone approach works too...though neither option is a big money generator for republicans so I see us continuing to just fiddle fuck around pissing money down the toilet over there to keep people working.

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Which is the perfect solution to avoid the breeding of IRA terrorists on British soil.

That's what the police are for.....lock them all up in prisons for profit!

Purpleboy don't know. He's just guessing they didn't, as they haven't won. Everybody who ever lost in a war did so because PC stuff or cowardism.

I never said cowardice.

Politics (including the oldest of politics, religion) decide all wars....