When did liberals fall in love with Islam/Islamics?

[BotanyBoy]

Why don't you tell what's your obsession with Pakistan? You become almost a decent, warm and fuzzy kind of caring human being when it comes to Pakistanis.

You're the only one who keeps bringing up Pakistan....

No I don't, you can't quote me saying a single positive thing about Pakistan.

More lies from PoopingTom....I'm shocked

See, that's why I said you don't give a fuck about America's security, you're just looking for an excuse to show your subhuman behavior. And you think you can't do anything wrong with picking on Syrians.

It's not subhuman behavior to shit on your enemies, in the real world that's called normal.

I'm not picking on Syrians, there are quit a few other shit holes I would also turn away with a big 'go fuck yaself!'.

Once again you're just making shit up....

your "business without math"

More made up shit.

What if the right politics would have made the Western allies support him instead of the Russians?

The right politics would have been not starting a quest for world domination. Fortunately the right politics (fuck that guy and everyone around him) put him in check.

 

[PoppingTom]

No I don't, you can't quote me saying a single positive thing about Pakistan.

But not a bad one either. What is Pakistan for you? Just a country, like Indonesia or Kuwait?

It's not subhuman behavior to shit on your enemies

I doubt you can spot subhuman behavior at all, can you?

I'm not picking on Syrians, there are quit a few other shit holes I would also turn away with a big 'go fuck yaself!'.

OK, let's play it on rewind: who wouldn't you say "go fuck yaself"?

More made up shit.

Don't tell me. Anything on your "greatest business of all, not explained about math" thing is comedy gold.

The right politics would have been not starting a quest for world domination.

Wise words.

Thing with the world domination is: somebody's got to do it. And better do it right.

Fortunately the right politics (fuck that guy and everyone around him) put him in check.

The context doesn't make sense.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

It's not subhuman behavior to shit on your enemies, in the real world that's called normal.

A hobbit would never do that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Only orcs do that. Humans are above that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But not a bad one either.

That doesn't make me Pakistans #1 fan, it makes you a presumptuous arrogant know it all German.

OK, let's play it on rewind: who wouldn't you say "go fuck yaself"?

That list is way to big for me burn the time on, so go fuck yaself.

Don't tell me. Anything on your "greatest business of all, not explained about math" thing is comedy gold.

Math doesn't explain who's billing and who's being billed, just the amounts.....get a clue.

A hobbit would never do that.

That's why they hide away in shires...underground. Also they rarely argue in favor of inviting orcs in for dinner.

Unless they are liburhul hobbits of course LOL

Only orcs do that. Humans are above that.

LOL you must not spend any time in L.A.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's been a few years since I've been there for more than a few hours. But just because Saurumon bred orcs that can pass for men doesn't make them men.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's been a few years since I've been there for more than a few hours. But just because Saurumon bred orcs that can pass for men doesn't make them men.

True but it doesn't make inviting 10,000 of Surumons 'deserters' in for the big shire harvest shin dig anything but fuckin' stupid, even though some of them might genuinely want to be better orcs. They want to desert fine they can go do their own thing, but they should not be let in the shire.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, that's just what makes humans the best.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, that's just what makes humans the best.

THAT (what you just posted) is a 1st world SoCal liburhul delusion.....

Humans prove time and again on nearly a daily basis in ways big and small to be less than most of the animals we claim to be above.

https://whatshouldbaledo.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/agentsmith.gif

 

[PoppingTom]

That doesn't make me Pakistans #1 fan

Don't know if you're a fan or just a supporter or if there is anything else you refuse to say about it. Maybe some Pakis put a gun on your head right now. I don't know. When it comes to Pakistan, you're pretty silent. Like you shit in your pants about them.

That list is way to big for me

One or two would do the job.

Math doesn't explain who's billing and who's being billed, just the amounts.....get a clue.

Math explains if you're talking shit or not. Nobody does business just for the sake of business. In the end, you aim for something.

But maybe you're different.

 

[PoppingTom]

https://whatshouldbaledo.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/agentsmith.gif

Why don't you kill yourself?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Don't know if you're a fan or just a supporter or if there is anything else you refuse to say about it. Maybe some Pakis put a gun on your head right now. I don't know. When it comes to Pakistan, you're pretty silent. Like you shit in your pants about them.

Nah...just don't see how they are relevant to Syrian refugees, which for some reason causes you to always bring up Pakistan.

One or two would do the job.

China, pretty much all of Europe, E S/E Asia, S.A. and a decent chunk of Africa though there are a few countries there we should black list along with a few more from SW Asia and the middle east. Way to many haters, US doesn't need any extra of those we have a fuck ton.

Math explains if you're talking shit or not. Nobody does business just for the sake of business. In the end, you aim for something.

But maybe you're different.

Considering US defense contractors are some of the wealthiest people to have ever existed I would say they hit exactly what they were aiming for.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why don't you kill yourself?

Why would I do that? Even a virus exists to replicate

 

[PoppingTom]

Nah...just don't see how they are relevant to Syrian refugees, which for some reason causes you to always bring up Pakistan.

Because everything halfway relevant you bring up against Syrians applies much more to Pakistanis. As you ignore it and deliver nothing to rebut, you're just that usual (R) hypocrite, or you're life-threaten by them.

Whatever it is....

China, pretty much all of Europe, E S/E Asia, S.A.

None of these are war zones or cruel dictatures. In other words: you'd only help people who don't need any help?

Considering US defense contractors are some of the wealthiest people to have ever existed I would say they hit exactly what they were aiming for.

You can tell a lot of fairytales about these "US defense contractors", but even if they exist, you can't explain how this "greatest business of all time" works?

 

[PoppingTom]

Why would I do that? Even a virus exists to replicate

Good point. At least, you don't seem to hate yourself that much.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because everything halfway relevant you bring up against Syrians applies much more to Pakistanis.

Yea but Pakistani refugees aren't the topic and you assigning me a position on them without even asking me just serves to make you look like a totally arrogant pompous dick.....so I let you rail on about them LOL

you're just that usual (R) hypocrite, or you're life-threaten by them.

Whatever it is....

LMFAO....I'm a Democrat!
http://i.imgur.com/8FxEa.gif

Gotta love that fabulous German arrogance! How's your foot taste? LMFAO!!!

None of these are war zones or cruel dictatures. In other words: you'd only help people who don't need any help?

You must be joking....do you know what kinda fucked up shit China does to it's people? LOL thousands of them show up in containers on ships in CA and I'll argue let them stay all day every day.

Africa? OMG there is damn near always some FUCKED up shit going on there and I'd be happy to let some of those refugees in, fuck send the Navy and evacuate them I'd back it 100%. SE asia......if you think that place isn't totally fucked up maybe you should try traveling sometime, get out of your 1st world bubble.

You can tell a lot of fairytales about these "US defense contractors", but even if they exist, you can't explain how this "greatest business of all time" works?

If they exist? Have you not ever herd of Halliburton? Blackwater? Lockheed Martin? General Dynamics? Colt firearms? I promise they are real...look them up...collectively they practically own the Republican party.

It works like this. The US government says "We got a war to fight and here is what we need done." Company X bids the job and gets it providing x service or supplies.

The US government taxes from the public and spends some of it on the military and then gives most of it to big companies like Halliburton.

Shit sometimes we don't even need a war....we have extra money so they blow it on new toys just to keep people employed. The JSF? We don't need that...we have no reason other than to keep Lockheed Martin and however many tens of thousands of people they employ busy.

 

[PoppingTom]

Yea

..and that's one thing making you a Pakistani lover.

you assigning me a position on them without even asking me

Oh, I've asked you, and your answer was "the Pakistanis waited much longer in line" (how warm and caring) and "We owe the Syrians shit".

I think that explains my assignings a lot. You've got a crush on Pakis.

LMFAO....I'm a Democrat!

So if it's not hypocrisy - what is it that makes you dodge? And don't tell me you don't. Your poltroonity on anything Pakistan is obvious, and I'll bring that topic up till you position yourself about that.

You must be joking....do you know what kinda fucked up shit China does to it's people?

China is a dictature, but not a life-treatening, like North Korea or Myanmar. Despite all the cruel things they do to their people, America doesn't cut relations to them. Chinese people don't need your help much.

Africa? OMG there is damn near always some FUCKED up shit going on there and I'd be happy to let some of those refugees in, fuck send the Navy and evacuate them I'd back it 100%.

With Africa, you mean Liberia ? Definitely not Somalia or Sudan? Just a guess.

SE asia......if you think that place isn't totally fucked up maybe you should try traveling sometime, get out of your 1st world bubble.

Fucked up like Syria now?

Don't know which country, except Myanmar, you referring to.

If they exist? Have you not ever herd of Halliburton? Blackwater? Lockheed Martin? General Dynamics? Colt firearms? I promise they are real...look them up...collectively they practically own the Republican party.

It works like this. The US government says "We got a war to fight and here is what we need done." Company X bids the job and gets it providing x service or supplies.

The US government taxes from the public and spends some of it on the military and then gives most of it to big companies like Halliburton.

OK, let's rewind that: the GOP forces the Dems (Kennedy and LBJ) to do a war in Vietnam as long as possible because profit for the war industry? And the same GOP ends that war, for no reason ?

 

[BotanyBoy]

..and that's one thing making you a Pakistani lover.

I have no love for Pakistan...no matter how badly you wish or how hard you try to make it stick.

Sorry, you're just lying and assuming things, but hey if you want to keep looking like the presumptuous German twat go right ahead I certainly don't want you to stop LOL

China is a dictature, but not a life-treatening, like North Korea or Myanmar. Despite all the cruel things they do to their people, America doesn't cut relations to them. Chinese people don't need your help much.

Seriously? They slave hundreds of workers to death every day and dump thousands of people they poison in factories into "cancer villages" to die slow agonizing deaths.

Sorry you're just ignorant or far more subhuman than I.

If they didn't need our help they wouldn't be risking everything flocking here day in and day out.

OK, let's rewind that: the GOP forces the Dems (Kennedy and LBJ) to do a war in Vietnam as long as possible because profit for the war industry? And the same GOP ends that war, for no reason ?

Nope......

The landscape of American politics/titles changed greatly between vietnam and today and it continues to change. It wasn't really until the Reagan administration that the Defense industry/D.C. circle jerk became a deep GOP affair.

But the scam is the same. Make a bad guy (communist/terrorist) start a war you don't intend to finish and sustain it for as long as you can selling it to the public as an attempts at a PC hot coco n' blowjobs for bad guys win. Government takes money from the people and pays the shit out of contractors for years...decades.

 

[PoppingTom]

I have no love for Pakistan...no matter how badly you wish or how hard you try to make it stick.

Not convincing. You still try to dodge, like you shit in your pants about them.

Seriously? They slave hundreds of workers to death every day and dump thousands of people they poison in factories into "cancer villages" to die slow agonizing deaths.

Sorry you're just ignorant or far more subhuman than I.

Seriously? How exactly do you help them to get rid of their poisoning industry? Any sanctions, like not producing in China at all? You do it to North Korea, why not to China?

China got its flaws and negatives, but the governmenrt isn't as life-threatening to the very ordinary people as the likes of North Korea, or war zones like Syria.

The landscape of American politics/titles changed greatly between vietnam and today and it continues to change. It wasn't really until the Reagan administration that the Defense industry/D.C. circle jerk became a deep GOP affair.

But the scam is the same. Make a bad guy (communist/terrorist) start a war you don't intend to finish and sustain it for as long as you can selling it to the public as an attempts at a PC hot coco n' blowjobs for bad guys win. Government takes money from the people and pays the shit out of contractors for years...decades.

Funny how you use very leftish propaganda to claim your point (and with left I mean European left, which is more hardcore). Thing is that even the most intelligent people I met claiming this couldn't explain me reasonable how it works for the government.

1. I get that the lobby groups of the military-industrial complex got an interest in pushing wars for profit. But the government, no matter how lobby-loving and war-driven, never got an interest in a long war. It costs, financially and emotionally.
2. You said government take the money from the people, but your taxes decreased over the years. And with or without war, there would be taxation, so where's the use, as there is no "war tax"?
3. How come YOU identify yourself with the aims of the defense contractors? They may not have an interest in winning and quittin the war - but you can hardly sell this to the public. So you accuse Dem and GOP governments for lying and doing wars with the aim of "everything but winning" ?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not convincing. You still try to dodge, like you shit in your pants about them.

I don't care.

I don't shit my pants I'm just not going to work within the accusations you toss at me. I'm just going to let you keep making them like a totally over the top arrogant German prick that you are until you can ask politely and without accusing me of 10,000 other things that you just assumed and made up in the process.

China got its flaws and negatives, but the governmenrt isn't as life-threatening to the very ordinary people as the likes of North Korea, or war zones like Syria.

LOL they kill more people than all those countries COMBINED.....get a fucking clue

couldn't explain me reasonable how it works for the government.

Works like this.....politicians give the companies war? The companies give politicians billions for their campaigns.

1. I get that the lobby groups of the military-industrial complex got an interest in pushing wars for profit. But the government, no matter how lobby-loving and war-driven, never got an interest in a long war. It costs, financially and emotionally.

It doesn't cost the politicians financially and emotionally....they are getting rich AND re-elected.

2. You said government take the money from the people, but your taxes decreased over the years. And with or without war, there would be taxation, so where's the use, as there is no "war tax"?

No we haven't we have just changed the way we tax over the years and continuing to do so + we borrowed a bunch. But mostly this is because Republicans don't like to pay their bills because THAT is socialism and thus evil.

3. How come YOU identify yourself with the aims of the defense contractors?

I don't this^^ is just another manufactured pile from PoopingTom.

They may not have an interest in winning and quittin the war - but you can hardly sell this to the public.

TERROR!!! MOOZLEMZ!!!

That's all it took.....13+ years of war and TRILLIONS spent, with a very large portion going right into the defense industries pockets.

So you accuse Dem and GOP governments for lying and doing wars with the aim of "everything but winning" ?

It's not an accusation it's a matter of fact, those wars made the mega rich even richer who then pay huge sums of money to political campaigns so those politicians will pass laws that they write to make themselves richer. That's how shit works in the USA.

 

[PoppingTom]

I don't care.

I don't shit my pants I'm just not going to work within the accusations you toss at me. I'm just going to let you keep making them like a totally over the top arrogant German prick that you are until you can ask politely and without accusing me of 10,000 other things that you just assumed and made up in the process.

Another discussion style of yours, and I would take that for granted. Thing is, you lied too much , and whenever I read "made up shit" I know you wanna say you don't have any more arguments, you must go along with me. And off course, you'd rather die than doing this. That kind of patriotism isn't new to me, I feel the same at posts from some other weirdos in the GB.

But I won't accuse you of anything I can't backup.

And about being polite: we can discuss in a polite manner. But as much as you want to lose some of your inner hatred on me, I've got the fun of being the arrogant German to you. For me, it's kind of a honour: do you think only Americans are allowed to be arrogant among others?

LOL they kill more people than all those countries COMBINED.....get a fucking clue

" the Dui Hua Foundation estimates that China executed 12,000 people in 2002, 6,500 people in 2007, and roughly 2,400 in 2013 and 2014."

(Wikipedia)

Compare this to Noth Korea's 3,5 million hunger deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine)

... or to Syria's 250 000 war deaths (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/31/syrian-civil-war-death-_n_8440378.html)

Works like this.....politicians give the companies war? The companies give politicians billions for their campaigns.

And politicians were impeached about a blowjob, but not about corruption?

And shall we really do the math of giving billions, taking billions?

It doesn't cost the politicians financially and emotionally....they are getting rich AND re-elected.

Doesn't explain why Nixon did an end to war. He was republican. Doesn't explain why Obama end a war, too.

No we haven't we have just changed the way we tax over the years and continuing to do so ...

I think you need to explain this a little bit. Especially the part where war taxes people more. I don't know much about taxes that aren't taxes but tax people.

I don't this^^

you said "WE had no winning in mind", and we means the people of the United states, including you.

If you mean only the government, you need to specify that.

TERROR!!! MOOZLEMZ!!!

That's all it took.....13+ years of war and TRILLIONS spent, with a very large portion going right into the defense industries pockets.

Ok, that sounds reasonable for the war on terror. Not so much about the Vietnam war.

It's not an accusation it's a matter of fact, those wars made the mega rich even richer who then pay huge sums of money to political campaigns so those politicians will pass laws that they write to make themselves richer. That's how shit works in the USA.

It IS an accusation of heavy corruption and lying to the public. Doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But I won't accuse you of anything I can't backup.

That's what you've done most of the thread.

" the Dui Hua Foundation estimates that China executed 12,000 people in 2002, 6,500 people in 2007, and roughly 2,400 in 2013 and 2014."

(Wikipedia)

Compare this to Noth Korea's 3,5 million hunger deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine)

... or to Syria's 250 000 war deaths (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/31/syrian-civil-war-death-_n_8440378.html)

Can't compare capital punishment to war casualties...lol fucking nimrod. Let's talk about how many people China poisons to death because of all the industrial toxic waste.....go find some of those numbers. make Syria look like a joke.

And politicians were impeached about a blowjob, but not about corruption?

And shall we really do the math of giving billions, taking billions?

No politician has ever been impeached for a blowjob ever in the history of the USA.

Do the math....the math doesn't disprove that defense companies didn't make a fortune off each of those wars.

Doesn't explain why Nixon did an end to war. He was republican. Doesn't explain why Obama end a war, too..

The Republican/Defense industry alliance didn't happen until the Reagan administration. Before that it was a bit more mixed up.

Obama end war? Because he wants to tax people and give all their money to HC insurance/pharma/supply industries, and that's exactly what he did. He's not beholden to the Defense industry/GOP any more than he needs to be for political leverage. Thus all the cuts/war ending. Had (R) held the WH instead of Obama our occupation of Iraq would still be going full bore.

If you mean only the government, you need to specify that.

No...YOU specified me and the defense industry having the same political alignment and that's simply not true. I never said I personally hold their views or goals I just told you what they were and you applied them to me because you're a dick.

Ok, that sounds reasonable for the war on terror. Not so much about the Vietnam war.

Inflation...hundreds of billions for fighting communism in Vietnam, same exact scam as spending trillions for fighting terrorism in Iraq.

It IS an accusation.

No it's a fact, that's how American politics work. (D)emocrats do the same thing but with education and HC.

 

[DeYaKen]

Just letting you see the results of fighting a Guerrilla war with Military Might

In 1995, the Russians did this to Grozny after Chechen rebels made terrorist strikes in Russia.

http://jeremynicholl.photoshelter.c...hechen-Tomb/G0000G_h3L8w1Jiw/I0000vtgu2AgbWlw

They used Ballistic missiles bombs and artillery firing 900 rounds an hour. They killed or displaced 400,000 people. There was no CNN, no Political correctness. the western world was preoccupied with Bosnia. Totally unrestrained killing.

In 1999, they had to do it again

in 2014, the rebels moved back in and took what remained of the city. Now Putin has had to negotiate with people far more ruthless than the ones they could have spoken to 25 years ago. What's more he's had to give more concessions than his previous opponents were asking for.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e6a4accc-ea4d-11e4-a701-00144feab7de.html#axzz3wskxDKKd

Now contrast that with the end result of the softly softly approach in Northern Ireland.

Oh Yes unrestrained military might sure works doesn't it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In 1999, they had to do it again

Because they obviously didn't do the job right the first time.

Now contrast that with the end result of the softly softly approach in Northern Ireland.

Level every city and town in N. Ireland and there would have never been an IRA.

Oh Yes unrestrained military might sure works doesn't it.

It gets shit done.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ww2-pix/jodl-signs.jpghttp://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/images/g380000/g386405.jpg

 

[PoppingTom]

Level every city and town in N. Ireland and there would have never been an IRA.

Why not nuking them?