Which More Violent: Bible or Quran?

[EternalFantasies]

First of all, the study is meaningless when it comes to comparing Islam and Christianity. The valid comparison would be between the Koran and just the New Testament which, by its own words, attributed to and possibly spoken by Jesus, supplants with a peaceful philosophy the covenant on which the violence of the Old Testament was based.

Agreed. And the words spoken by Jesus are those four books. That is the real comparison indeed.

Then again, what does it matter which book is more violent?

Historically, Islam has always been the most violent of the three major monotheistic religions.

That includes during the Crusades, which started, you should know and may recall, because Muslim armies had militarily conquered the eastern part of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

Again, history is far less important than what is happening in the real world now. Only Islam has a significant faction that believes and practices unprovoked violence as a manner of spreading their faith. There are not Christians setting up strict theocracies by conquest and in them committing mass murder against those it views as infidels and apostates. Only parts of Islam are doing that.

Exactly.

I'll disagree a bit with the last paragraph and say: yes, only parts, but! BUT

The risk is high, its quite dangerous even in the parts, or sects, that are not so.

 

[Chris_Michael]

1. Yes, of course we're wired that way, and a need to survive, and/or a want to do so for ever, doesn't disprove what I said but goes in parallel.

Well no, not really. A Christian would know they are going to live forever. A person who will inevitably die will cope by making things up that there is an afterlife of some sort. Our instinct is to not accept death. I'll grant you that it doesn't disprove a god, but nothing can disprove a god... or Russell's Teapot orbiting the sun.

2. Why look into the OT testament so much? even the NT, the only books one needs to be concerned with are the four books. Drop the rest; and yes including Paul.

Well, that's easy for a Christian to say. Why focus on the NT so much is my question? Do you realize that atheists are more likely to read the entire Bible than a Christian? (I haven't read the whole thing). There are Christians that have no idea about what's in Deuteronomy and Numbers.

3. There was a man escaping a major flood and he climbed on his roof, and the water was rising. He held to a pole on his roof and prayed to God. The rescuers came throwing him a floating device, he said 'no God will save me'. They came back with a boat and asked him to jump, he said 'no God will save me. they came back in a helicopter and threw him a rope to grab on, he said 'no God will save me.

The water rose and he drowned. When he got to Heaven, he complained to God "Why didn't you do anything, why didn't you save me from drowning, I prayed, I begged...". God disgruntled replied: "I sent you a floating device, a boat, a helicopter, and you did nothing. So ok, welcome then come on in!!".

Well, so are you saying that god even thinks Christians are stupid? Because that's all I got from this anecdote, which is made up.

For the rest: The priests aren't always good quality rather the opposite. you grew in fear, well use it for your advantage today.

My advantage today? My crippling irrational fear of most things, anxiety, shit self-esteem, and major depression? I'll let you know when I figure out how to use that to my advantage because so far, it's not working. And it wasn't any better as a Christian.

What one needs to know is that Jesus already died for all our sins and saved us. The other thing you need to know is that no matter what you think your wrongs or sins may have been, His compassion and capacity for forgiveness is far greater. Nothing cannot be forgiven, when one wants to be.

But if one lives a normal life and uses his/her brain and thinks, "Hm this story very odd. There are thousands of denominations, thousands of other religions... not so sure I can believe this one just because I was born in this country." Then, god is unforgiving? That's very very odd, wouldn't you agree?

This is one thing that pisses me off. People say that you either accept god's love or REJECT it. That's 100% bullshit. There are many people who make no decision on it. They don't have any ill will toward god, but yet to Christians, that is an obvious rejection of god's gift.

What else pisses me off is when they say atheists are just angry at god. No. No. We're angry at you because you keep shoving this shit down our throats and we don't believe it. Our thoughts regarding an actual god is that there's just no evidence for his existence. There's just not. And that's apparently the way he wanted it.

The other thing about what you wrote in the end, you need to know, if a community of a few thousand was trying to thrive, and men wanted to marry, fear of extinction would be great for obvious reasons.
God said go and multiply etc and preserve this way, etc. today, we're quite numerous, so, enjoy; I suppose. No where in the four Bibles does it forbid it, but I'd not call it marriage for it is not. The term is religious, and for major reasons that has to do with many things including creation. Two gay men can't create a baby by themselves.

Well, I'll let you have the last word on that. I'm not married and have no interest in marriage. It's just not for me. I like living my life alone.

My guess is this will stay with you. You don't seem to have let this matter go, you're right here debating me about it. The pope opened the door for you now, and you could take on this differently, and feel better.

No. I really hope that if this religion is true, that I would die, go to see god in judgement day, and tell him what a piece of shit psychopath he is. His flawed system of morality is fucked up beyond any scope of the imagination. He's the center of every thing and he's perfect yet he creates humans to worship him so that they can be shown his love for them. Yeah fuck that. That sounds like some crazy ass form of Stockholm Syndrome he's putting on everybody.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

First of all, the study is meaningless when it comes to comparing Islam and Christianity. The valid comparison would be between the Koran and just the New Testament which, by its own words, attributed to and possibly spoken by Jesus, supplants with a peaceful philosophy the covenant on which the violence of the Old Testament was based.

Then again, what does it matter which book is more violent?

Historically, Islam has always been the most violent of the three major monotheistic religions.

That includes during the Crusades, which started, you should know and may recall, because Muslim armies had militarily conquered the eastern part of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

Again, history is far less important than what is happening in the real world now. Only Islam has a significant faction that believes and practices unprovoked violence as a manner of spreading their faith. There are not Christians setting up strict theocracies by conquest and in them committing mass murder against those it views as infidels and apostates. Only parts of Islam are doing that.

Last paragraph, yeah.

First paragraph, no. The meaningful comparison is the Quran against both OT and NT. Jesus did not abolish the Law (OT) as stated by himself, which means you have to include the OT. He is also supposed to be the fulfillment of OT prophecy, so without the OT there is no NT.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Well no, not really. A Christian would know they are going to live forever. A person who will inevitably die will cope by making things up that there is an afterlife of some sort. Our instinct is to not accept death. I'll grant you that it doesn't disprove a god, but nothing can disprove a god... or Russell's Teapot orbiting the sun.

All I can answer here is: its a mystery. I am sorry, I know that makes one angry.

Well, that's easy for a Christian to say. Why focus on the NT so much is my question? Do you realize that atheists are more likely to read the entire Bible than a Christian? (I haven't read the whole thing). There are Christians that have no idea about what's in Deuteronomy and Numbers.

I do not focus on the New testament. I focus on Mathew, Marc, Luc and John.

Well, so are you saying that god even thinks Christians are stupid? Because that's all I got from this anecdote, which is made up.

Of course it's made up. What you were supposed to get from it, is that I replied to what you wrote in the post previous to that, by saying dumb ppl sit and pray and beg, smart and productive humans who can provide for their children etc. try and try and do everything possible within their reach, all while praying, and leaving the rest to God.

My advantage today? My crippling irrational fear of most things, anxiety, shit self-esteem, and major depression? I'll let you know when I figure out how to use that to my advantage because so far, it's not working. And it wasn't any better as a Christian.

There's different ways for that. Fear can be a friend, a fuel, a motivation, instead of caving for it.

As for the rest you mentioned, these are difficult times I understand. I'd ask though, are you certain that list was generated by Christianity? Could those items have to do with other things? Other causes?

Granted being gay and rejected by the Church may have been a factor too, but there's certainly other triggers / causes than mere church sermons.

But if one lives a normal life and uses his/her brain and thinks, "Hm this story very odd. There are thousands of denominations, thousands of other religions... not so sure I can believe this one just because I was born in this country." Then, god is unforgiving? That's very very odd, wouldn't you agree?

You are trying to say God is not so, but its in his interest in Christianity to be so, right?

I believe this perception is due to the previous quote, and can tell you this as extra: one must see how have we lived before. And by that i mean day to day. What are you daily priorities, fears, musts, etc. and compare where other cultures lived and how was theirs etc. and then, evaluate when Christianity began. This is a contemplative and studious exercise no reply you give me now will do you justice.

And rest assured: he is that much compassionate, and more than you can imagine.

This is one thing that pisses me off. People say that you either accept god's love or REJECT it. That's 100% bullshit. There are many people who make no decision on it. They don't have any ill will toward god, but yet to Christians, that is an obvious rejection of god's gift.

No no. bad Christians. But yes, one must move along eventually and make up their minds, for their own sake.

What else pisses me off is when they say atheists are just angry at god. No. No. We're angry at you because you keep shoving this shit down our throats and we don't believe it. Our thoughts regarding an actual god is that there's just no evidence for his existence. There's just not. And that's apparently the way he wanted it.

As far as I'm (moi) is concerned, I merely post and correct. And often ridicule, mock, like I do the OP here since he welcomed me on this forum with condescension and ridicule and insults.

I do not shove anything down your throat unless you're female, and hope I can clarify to whoever posts and i notice erroneous info like this ridiculous study

Had you not posted here, I'd not have risked appearing like shoving anything at all, in yours.

Well, I'll let you have the last word on that. I'm not married and have no interest in marriage. It's just not for me. I like living my life alone.

Grazie.

No. I really hope that if this religion is true, that I would die, go to see god in judgement day, and tell him what a piece of shit psychopath he is. His flawed system of morality is fucked up beyond any scope of the imagination. He's the center of every thing and he's perfect yet he creates humans to worship him so that they can be shown his love for them. Yeah fuck that. That sounds like some crazy ass form of Stockholm Syndrome he's putting on everybody.

Don't be so dramatic. Again, one has to find the - well let's call them 'other' causes. And find ways to see the purpose of it all and why you are where you are. Then grow the mind into something worthy of our miraculous nature that surrounds us.

No pain no gain. And if you are interested in doing so, I may have leads. Better that in PM though.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

It requires contemplation, experience, imagination, and a lot of scientific study as well.

Once again, science is the study of the natural world, anything supernaturalis therefore unscientific. As far as the rest, a large part of my nonbelief is based on contemplation, experience, and imagination. Others too. People also come to any number of conclusion and religions through the same factors. These are subjective claims, not objective facts which is the manner in which you state them.

To reduce the amount of give and take, please insert from the get-go where it says that.

Revelations 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

But since you only use 4 books how about John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God…Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Why? What makes you say that?

What do you mean by what do I mean? You said God wants the best for Humans and I said he obviously doesnt for those he has predestinesd to death/hell.

Not here, no. The Bible is about soooo much more that restrictions to keep you in check. It's a guide, and one particularly useful to people in older times.

We are living a period of advancement within 50-60 years, more than any human lived in history - ever. So, its quite hard to see in our current times how the Bible is useful. But just before the 40's? and back until minus five or six thousand, law of Moses came as some guide, something to rely on, anything, instead of always having to wonder, and to follow so many Gods, etc.

You would need to explain here how so many people found it more helpful throughout history then, and why so many were also forcibly converted. Or maybe why the western legal tradition is built on Roman and German foundations rather than Judeo ones. Also I dont understand why having multiple gods is inherently worse.

Here's the OP's article: "It took just two minutes for his software to read and analyse the three books".

What we're talking about TWB, is a superficial, literal interpretation by a computer counting the recurrence of a particular emotion, as follows:

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."

So nothing "supernatural" about what the article is saying, and i haven't seen you mention any of the kind too.

Which brings me back to my post, number 40.

Except that some of those mentions of said terms occur in a supernatural context. I.e. "They will be cast down into a fiery pit and destroyed"(paraphrase) is supernatural.

Plus, Ive mentioned my opposition to Islam is several other threads and many posts.

 

[Chris_Michael]

"It's a mystery."

Well, I'm not going to let a mystery rule my life. And I'm certainly not going to worship a mystery. I don't believe in superstitious nonsense.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Once again, science is the study of the natural world, anything supernaturalis therefore unscientific. As far as the rest, a large part of my nonbelief is based on contemplation, experience, and imagination. Others too. People also come to any number of conclusion and religions through the same factors. These are subjective claims, not objective facts which is the manner in which you state them.

Yet, you state them discussing belief systems. Yet, you post in threads challenging that belief system. Yet, you are born to that belief system, and it triggers questions in your mind and cause for debating it with non-objective me.

Revelations 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

But since you only use 4 books how about John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God…Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

1. A sequence was lost here. This exchange started in post 94 where i said 'following a religion'.

However, I digress. there is indeed a point there. But it must be put into the context of those times. today, an unbelieving doesn't necessarily suffer what in those times they would have indeed. Today, the unbelieving miss out a good deal, but, what one doesn't miss, it doesn't hurt them.

Being a believer today can be compensated by believing in something. Strongly. But, figuring out Creation? You need to believe in God.

What do you mean by what do I mean? You said God wants the best for Humans and I said he obviously doesnt for those he has predestinesd to death/hell.

And what verse and context is that?

You would need to explain here how so many people found it more helpful throughout history then, and why so many were also forcibly converted. Or maybe why the western legal tradition is built on Roman and German foundations rather than Judeo ones. Also I dont understand why having multiple gods is inherently worse.

Oula, you're asking for the whole pie there. I can only dish hints for a slice, sometimes. What you wrote there required readings and contemplation for a few years... . The last line? Forget it

I have mentioned almost in every post one must do their homework. I am doing something quite uncommon as it is and can't do more, in presentation style, on everything.

You're starting to sound like the lately banned KingOrfeo.

Having said that, I'll say that the followers have grown, and willingly, and its the top seller by far every year, and much has to be seperated between the old context when Jesus came, and how people acted and interpreted and decided based on pressure, or greed, etc.

Except that some of those mentions of said terms occur in a supernatural context. I.e. "They will be cast down into a fiery pit and destroyed"(paraphrase) is supernatural.

I said nothing was supernatural about a software detecting words and compiling them. This means nothing; and not the verses' contents.

Plus, Ive mentioned my opposition to Islam is several other threads and many posts.

I never took you for being pro-Islam.

 

[jaF0]

Y'all still at it?

OK, ummm ... Dick Dastardly or Snidely Whiplash?

 

[EternalFantasies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdghRwWfaOQ

 

[ishtat]

A number of people have commented that God is Eternal and always the same. He is not. God started out as Yaweh or El (Hadad) which concepts got amalgamated into one, Yaweh Saboath - the God of War and protector of the Jews. Plenty of his doings in Joshua and therabouts.

He later acquired the attributes of a fertility god (for the Jews) by supplanting Baal as told in the story of Elijah(Kings) - and note at this stage that Elijah had no problems with the Jews worshiping Yaweh's wife Asherah. At this time, the late 9th century BC, the Jews weren't even monolatrous let alone monotheistic.

Later Yaweh acquired other attributes he became a god of Love in Hosea and a god of Justice in Amos, (But still had time to be a right bastard to Job) The OT is important because it illustrates the development of God from a delinquent hooligan smiting everybody except the Jews, to a reasonably presentable fella you could have a yarn with in Church on Sunday.

The most important lesson of the OT though is that God - any god, is entirely a product of the human imagination, not the other way around. His nature will be changed by whatever the demands of the time are.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

A number of people have commented that God is Eternal and always the same. He is not. God started out as Yaweh or El (Hadad) which concepts got amalgamated into one, Yaweh Saboath - the God of War and protector of the Jews. Plenty of his doings in Joshua and therabouts.

He later acquired the attributes of a fertility god (for the Jews) by supplanting Baal as told in the story of Elijah(Kings) - and note at this stage that Elijah had no problems with the Jews worshiping Yaweh's wife Asherah. At this time, the late 9th century BC, the Jews weren't even monolatrous let alone monotheistic.

Check my post #24, covered it.

Yet, you state them discussing belief systems. Yet, you post in threads challenging that belief system. Yet, you are born to that belief system, and it triggers questions in your mind and cause for debating it with non-objective me.

By "born into it" do you mean born into a Christian family/household and nation, or do you mean born into it as in the world is the way you're stating it is whether I recognize it or not? First yes, second no. Of course it triggers questions in my mind and I study and discuss it, I wasn't "born into" a communist system but it still provokes a study and discussion of it. I wasn't born into a world where we have yet colonized other planets but I still like to study the possibility/probability and debate the philosophical ramifications of it. Saying "Hah! But look at you talking about it, that means something right?" is completely nonsensical.

1. A sequence was lost here. This exchange started in post 94 where i said 'following a religion'.

However, I digress. there is indeed a point there. But it must be put into the context of those times. today, an unbelieving doesn't necessarily suffer what in those times they would have indeed. Today, the unbelieving miss out a good deal, but, what one doesn't miss, it doesn't hurt them.

Following a religion = being a believer. Don't try to cop out like that. So the punishment for being a nonbeliever has changed, because I'm pretty sure I just gave you 2 examples (there are more) from the NT, so what's the new material that's come out since to edit that part out? And how does it not hurt them when the whole point of salvation is that you can enjoy this blissful afterlife and if you do not believe you are denied access to it?

Being a believer today can be compensated by believing in something. Strongly. But, figuring out Creation? You need to believe in God.

Did you mean unbeliever in the first sentence, because that's what makes sense. If so, I'll remind you that Jesus was pretty clear about the only access to the Father being through him.

And what verse and context is that?

John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
Romans 9:15-18 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Oula, you're asking for the whole pie there. I can only dish hints for a slice, sometimes. What you wrote there required readings and contemplation for a few years... . The last line? Forget it

So in other words, https://media.giphy.com/media/NxEsKrLJXPuwg/giphy.gif

I have mentioned almost in every post one must do their homework. I am doing something quite uncommon as it is and can't do more, in presentation style, on everything.

What is uncommon here, please elaborate. And also, I'm interested in what makes you assume I haven't done my homework. I'm the one quoting scripture and using historical references here. You're just saying "But context, but no, but not that book"

You're starting to sound like the lately banned KingOrfeo.

Having said that, I'll say that the followers have grown, and willingly, and its the top seller by far every year, and much has to be seperated between the old context when Jesus came, and how people acted and interpreted and decided based on pressure, or greed, etc.

Yes followers join and yes they join willingly but that doesn't mean there haven't also been the forced conversions. the societal pressures to conform. As for top seller, might want to rethink that buddy because Muslims are outbreeding you, selling it to their kids and it won't take long now before they're bigger. I actually shudder at the thought.

I said nothing was supernatural about a software detecting words and compiling them. This means nothing; and not the verses' contents.

I said we had been talking about the supernatural consequences outlined in the religions. You said that there was nothing supernatural...nope...not even going to bother. Anybody can go back and clearly see the exchange.

I never took you for being pro-Islam.

Then why would you bother pointing out that I wasn't discussing it even though I have prefaced all I've said with the statement that Islam is worse?

 

[phrodeau]

First of all, the study is meaningless when it comes to comparing Islam and Christianity. The valid comparison would be between the Koran and just the New Testament which, by its own words, attributed to and possibly spoken by Jesus, supplants with a peaceful philosophy the covenant on which the violence of the Old Testament was based.

Then again, what does it matter which book is more violent?

Historically, Islam has always been the most violent of the three major monotheistic religions.

That includes during the Crusades, which started, you should know and may recall, because Muslim armies had militarily conquered the eastern part of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

Again, history is far less important than what is happening in the real world now. Only Islam has a significant faction that believes and practices unprovoked violence as a manner of spreading their faith. There are not Christians setting up strict theocracies by conquest and in them committing mass murder against those it views as infidels and apostates. Only parts of Islam are doing that.

Ever heard of The Revelation of John? It's in the New Testament, and contains some of the most horrific and violent passages in the Bible. Straight from Jesus to John.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Ever heard of The Revelation of John? It's in the New Testament, and contains some of the most horrific and violent passages in the Bible. Straight from Jesus to John.

I hear there's a passage that reads...

Thus sayeth the lord, "phrodeau is a little whiny cunt ball who supports Islam."

 

[dan_c00000]

My personal favorite is the prohibition of mixing fabrics. Better double check my suits.

There's a few different numbers online but one author calculated that God killed over 2 million people in the Bible.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

A number of people have commented that God is Eternal and always the same. He is not. God started out as Yaweh or El (Hadad) which concepts got amalgamated into one, Yaweh Saboath - the God of War and protector of the Jews. Plenty of his doings in Joshua and therabouts.

He later acquired the attributes of a fertility god (for the Jews) by supplanting Baal as told in the story of Elijah(Kings) - and note at this stage that Elijah had no problems with the Jews worshiping Yaweh's wife Asherah. At this time, the late 9th century BC, the Jews weren't even monolatrous let alone monotheistic.

Later Yaweh acquired other attributes he became a god of Love in Hosea and a god of Justice in Amos, (But still had time to be a right bastard to Job) The OT is important because it illustrates the development of God from a delinquent hooligan smiting everybody except the Jews, to a reasonably presentable fella you could have a yarn with in Church on Sunday.

The most important lesson of the OT though is that God - any god, is entirely a product of the human imagination, not the other way around. His nature will be changed by whatever the demands of the time are.

but can you prove that?

 

[TheWhiteBull]

but can you prove that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZECezMYug8c

 

[LincolnDuncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZECezMYug8c

My question was mostly tongue and cheek. I've read the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, the Tibetan Book of the Dead and 100s of other books on world religions. All that I read was helpful but there is no comparison to actual experience.

My experience is that god is energy and I suspect infinite. It's difficult for me to keep my sarcasm in check when I see people debating or trying to quantify god with their finite brain. The finite brain can't even conceive of infinite space.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

My question was mostly tongue and cheek. I've read the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, the Tibetan Book of the Dead and 100s of other books on world religions. All that I read was helpful but there is no comparison to actual experience.

My experience is that god is energy and I suspect infinite. It's difficult for me to keep my sarcasm in check when I see people debating or trying to quantify god with their finite brain. The finite brain can't even conceive of infinite space.

Why not?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Why not?

Well, if you think that you can, than good for you.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Well, if you think that you can, than good for you.

I've just always thought that that statement, which many others make, is an odd one. It just seems to me that infinity is intuitive. Even without the benefit of science to add to our knowledge. For instance take physical space. I've never seen anyplace where it ends, so why would I assume that it does. Rather if I can travel forever and never come to any end I would assume that it therefore goes on without end. Likewise with time. Science can help us work towards an age of the universe but without that I would never see a true "first" to anything physical. I would understand that I have a mother and father and that they have a mother and father and so on and so on and so on. In fact it would seem then without scientific knowledge that there was no beginning because otherwise you would have to explain how it began (i.e. religion/science).

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I've just always thought that that statement, which many others make, is an odd one. It just seems to me that infinity is intuitive. Even without the benefit of science to add to our knowledge. For instance take physical space. I've never seen anyplace where it ends, so why would I assume that it does. Rather if I can travel forever and never come to any end I would assume that it therefore goes on without end. Likewise with time. Science can help us work towards an age of the universe but without that I would never see a true "first" to anything physical. I would understand that I have a mother and father and that they have a mother and father and so on and so on and so on. In fact it would seem then without scientific knowledge that there was no beginning because otherwise you would have to explain how it began (i.e. religion/science).

If you can conceive of infinity, you are far more advanced than me.

 

[EternalFantasies]

If you can conceive of infinity, you are far more advanced than me.

They will re-create the same thing over and over and over, at Cern, and will have different results, over and over and over, and get zilch, nada, nothing.

If, they don't kill us all first.

 

[ishtat]

but can you prove that?

Of course not - but why would I want to?

Incidentally, infinity isn't that hard a concept, mathematics is the best approach to the concept. I agree however, that it is pretty much impossible to express in the language of words.

 

[phrodeau]

I hear there's a passage that reads...

Thus sayeth the lord, "phrodeau is a little whiny cunt ball who supports Islam."

I guess that you think I support Islam. What I support is religious freedom, as the Constitution specifies. What I support is the truth about Islam, not the lies that show up on this board.

 

[Chris_Michael]

I guess that you think I support Islam. What I support is religious freedom, as the Constitution specifies. What I support is the truth about Islam, not the lies that show up on this board.

No, I don't think you support Islam. You support Islam.