Why is the loving wives crowd so harsh

[sr71plt]

Cuckolding requires hostile intent. An open marriage isn't cuckolding.

Where did you get that definition? A cuckold is simply a man whose wife is unfaithful to him (Webster's).

 

[TxRad]

Where did you get that definition? A cuckold is simply a man whose wife is unfaithful to him (Webster's).

Yeah, that's what Websters says alright but in some circles the usage has distinctions that ain't reached the dictionary yet. Open marriages is one of those circles.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, that's what Websters says alright but in some circles the usage has distinctions that ain't reached the dictionary yet. Open marriages is one of those circles.

It's fine for them to define these terms for themselves. But if others want to stick with the dictionary definitions, they certainly shouldn't be told theirs is not a legitimate understanding of the term.

The stories I've put in that section are just that--the wife being given permission to roam for one reason or another. And those stories have done just fine (one even given a green E).

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Language evolves through time. And since Webster's only gets published periodically, it takes a while for it to catch up. A dictionary, as you know full well , is descriptive not proscriptive.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Cuckolding requires hostile intent. An open marriage isn't cuckolding.

Sure it is, it's just the wife has the cucks permission to do it him is all. He's still been cuckolded (is that a word?). A cock other than his has fucked his wife, whether there was hostile intent has nothing to do with it.

You give you wife permission, you're a cuck and she's a slut. Now admittedly the connotation those words have may have changed, but the definition remains the same.

cuck·old   

–noun
1. the husband of an unfaithful wife.
–verb (used with object)
2. to make a cuckold of (a husband).

1a. a man whose wife has committed adultery, often regarded as an object of scorn

a·dul·ter·y   

–noun, plural -ter·ies.
voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

 

[sr71plt]

Language evolves through time. And since Webster's only gets published periodically, it takes a while for it to catch up. A dictionary, as you know full well , is descriptive not proscriptive.

It's a little known fact, but Webster's gets updated every three or four months. (It's not being redone just at edition time). If you buy a Webster's in B&N today and go home and compare it with the one you bought in July, you should find minor changes.

The purpose of a dictionary though is to let folks know what is generally accepted--and Webster's, is a descriptive, yes (but there are dictionaries that are prescriptive [e.g., the American Heritage]), but that means exactly that it gives current usage. So you may choose to have your own definitions, but you really don't a call to say someone who is following the current authoritative definition has the wrong definition. (Which is what you are doing here.)

 

[sr71plt]

Language evolves through time. And since Webster's only gets published periodically, it takes a while for it to catch up. A dictionary, as you know full well , is descriptive not proscriptive.

I forgot to add, VM, that I mentioned an example of a story accepted here by the readers on Lit. that matches "loving wife" and "cuckoldery"--that wasn't raked over the reader coals and, additionally, that received the Web site's green E. That pretty much shoots down for the purposes of Literotica your demand that the situation be hostile in either current time or in this story file.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=417637

The point is that you were trying to force a definition on others that isn't any more justified than anyone else's--and less so than someone using the dictionary definition. You can certainly keep to that definition of the Loving Wives stories you write.

 

[Tx Tall Tales]

The point is that you were trying to force a definition on others that isn't any more justified than anyone else's--and less so than someone using the dictionary definition. You can certainly keep to that definition of the Loving Wives stories you write.

Disagree on two points. VM isn't trying to force a definition on others. Zeb asked how a wife can have sex with someone other than her husband and it NOT be cuckolding. The answer is: if the context of the reader does not consider it so.

Language suits the audience. If my skateboarding neighbor does a "Sick" trick, Webster's will tell you the trick was:

1. afflicted with ill health or disease; ailing.
2. affected with nausea; inclined to vomit.
3. deeply affected with some unpleasant feeling, as of sorrow, disgust, or boredom: sick at heart; to be sick of parties.
4. mentally, morally, or emotionally deranged, corrupt, or unsound: a sick mind; wild statements that made him seem sick.
5. characteristic of a sick mind: sick fancies.
etc. etc.

The kid's peers would think otherwise. Definitely not a new meaning of the word, but it hasn't made the dictionary. Webster's is not a "Better" definition for that crowd.


Check the "Urban" dictionary for cuckold:

1. A sexually inadequate husband who accepts his wife's pussy is her solely property and she alone decides which men she will fuck,even if it means denying her husband. His only access to her pussy is to clean it of the ejaculate of males she chooses to fuck.
Doug has the penis of a young boy and has never given his wife Jill an orgasm. His choice was divorce or be a cuckold. He is now a fully submissive cuckold to Jill

2. A submissive husband with a wife who takes on alpha-male lovers whereby the wife's sexual pleasures become the husband's vicarious sexual pleasures and experiences.
The cuckold husband developed an erection as his imagination ran wild with sexual thoughts during the preparation of drinks for his wife and her new lover.

Is the Urban dictionary a valid reference? Hell no. But it shows a valid view of the audience.

Is there a better word for a 'wimp' man whose wife is unfaithful? What is unfaithful? Disloyal or breaking vows - but what if they're not disloyal? Is it 'cheating' if the rules are agreed upon? Is a man a cuckold in an MMF threesome? How about a FFM threesome? If a polygamist's wives play together is he cuckolded?

Within the Loving Wives category, I believe most of the readers would agree that a cuckold is:

1) A man whose wife is unfaithful to him, wherein unfaithful implies against his wishes and desires, particularly if the other man does it to spite him.

And those types of situations bring out the trolls and haters.

If my wife invites her single girlfriend over to play and there is oral-genital or genital-genital contact between them, she is an adulterer, and I am a cuckold, according to Webster. My definition is different. "Lucky" would seem more accurate.

My $.02

 

[sr71plt]

Sorry, TTT, I don't see this post (in it's entirety) from VM to be anything but a blanket assertion of a definition that is too limiting:

"Cuckolding requires hostile intent. An open marriage isn't cuckolding."

Sorry, cuckolding does NOT require hostile intent. A cuckold simply is a husband whose wife is having it off with someone other than him no matter what the intent--and no matter whether the marriage is open or not. (In particular, for submissions to this site.) Readers don't have the privilege of providing blanket definitions for other readers. I identified a Loving Wives story endorsed by this site (given a green E) where there is cuckoldery without hostile intent--in fact that's the whole hook of the story (that the intent is loving, not hostile).

The Urban dictionary, as you note, is not authoritative, and it provides the view of only some of the audience. That portion of the audience cannot dictate (as VM tries to do in the above assertion) a definition for EVERYONE.

The Webster's dictionary definition is just fine, as it permits room for everyone's personal view for their personal viewing.

This just be (like the LW comments being complained of here) just one more or them thar (albeit probably unintentional) attempts to tell others what they can think and write based solely on personal preference.

 

[Tx Tall Tales]

Sorry, TTT, I don't see this post (in it's entirety) from VM to be anything but a blanket assertion of a definition that is too limiting:

"Cuckolding requires hostile intent. An open marriage isn't cuckolding."

I agree. The first sentence (definition) is too limiting. The second sentence (example) can still be correct. As long as we agree that having extramarital sex is not necessarily being unfaithful. As defined by websters:

: not faithful:
a : not adhering to vows, allegiance, or duty : disloyal <an unfaithful friend>
b : not faithful to marriage vows <suspected her husband of being unfaithful>
c : inaccurate, untrustworthy <an unfaithful copy of a document>

If your vows do not specify sexual exclusivity, you cannot be unfaithful. I know that many vows today do not include the phrase faithful.

e.g. I, _____, take you ______, to be my wedded husband. To have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, 'till death do us part.

I identified a Loving Wives story endorsed by this site (given a green E) where there is cuckoldery without hostile intent--in fact that's the whole hook of the story (that the intent is loving, not hostile).

So is the Loving Wives category, by your definition, a category of cuckolding only? Is there a little description of the category that defines it as such? The one line description is "Tales of adventurous married women & their mates."

A Loving Wives story, "endorsed by this site" would seem to be a place where you could have loving extramarital relations without a "cuckold". Hell, there are Loving Wives stories that have no sex at all - who's the cuckold then?

The Magic Pills stories (excellent!) has no extramarital relations.

Again, I believe the Dictionary can be correct, as long as we agree what the meaning of unfaithful is. When you use one word to define another word, every definition counts.

So in response to Zeb's original query:

So, wife sharing that doesn't involve cuckolding...how do you accomplish that?

If you haven't broken a marriage vow, and have not been disloyal, to be strict to the dictionary definition which we all hold so dear, there is no cuckolding.

I stick to my guns. My story was not a cuckolding one. (Damn, I am rambling on here, aren't I?)

I'll grant you this - hostile intent is not required. But it helps

 

[sr71plt]

So is the Loving Wives category, by your definition, a category of cuckolding only? Is there a little description of the category that defines it as such? The one line description is "Tales of adventurous married women & their mates."

It would appear you haven't been reading my posts at all. My posts have been about not telling others what the Loving Wives category has to be about.

I have another very well rated story in Loving Wives that isn't a cuckold one. (The wife contemplates it as a side thread but rejects the idea).

 

[CharleyH]

You suck. If you had any brians at all you'd know that feltching means eating come out of an ass. What your talking about is known as a cremepie! Cremepie! Get it? Eating cum out of pie, which is another name for a pussy, witch probably describes you! Get it yet? Don't know why they don't call it a cumpie cause cum don't taste like creme according to my girlfriend. Thats right, my girlfriend! She can suck my cock way better than my ex-bitchwife could. And she takes it up the ass. Whatever. You get a big fat 0 for not knowing what your fucking talking about even though I liked the rest of you're post.

ROFLOL - Joey, you kill me. You get a big fat 10 + 1 from me for your wonderful parody of anonymous feedback on LW stories.

For the permanent record? Mudpie is what they call it when cum is pushed from the ass for a money shot. Another new word for ExoMani? xo

 

[CharleyH]

Where did you get that definition? A cuckold is simply a man whose wife is unfaithful to him (Webster's).

When was Webster's updated last and who is doing the updating? They've fallen way - WAY behind, sr7 and so have you.

In the interim, at least between 1950 (that's the year of your heyday, right?) and now (may I remind you that the year is 2010) cuckold refers to the hapless man whose wife is, let's not mistake it, a slut. She is not a whore, for she lends her cunt to any big dick without payment. When she forces you, you small-dicked worm, to watch her slurp really big, bigger than yours, black cocks, and she forces you to watch her enjoy every inch pound into her dripping hole and see every moan of pleasure on her sweating face, she is making you her bitch.

Tex is right. An open relationship doesn't have the same D/s element that cuckolding does. In an open relationship, people fuck whomever they fuck, and if, one night, they all happen to come together? The dynamics in an open relationship orgy are very different than one where the dynamics include a cuckold. Believe me. I understand that you do not.

 

[sr71plt]

When was Webster's updated last and who is doing the updating? They've fallen way - WAY behind, sr7 and so have you.

In the interim, at least between 1950 (that's the year of your heyday, right?) and now (may I remind you that the year is 2010) cuckold refers to the hapless man whose wife is, let's not mistake it, a slut. She is not a whore, for she lends her cunt to any big dick without payment. When she forces you, you small-dicked worm, to watch her slurp really big, bigger than yours, black cocks, and she forces you to watch her enjoy every inch pound into her dripping hole and see every moan of pleasure on her sweating face, she is making you her bitch.

Tex is right. An open relationship doesn't have the same D/s element that cuckolding does. In an open relationship, people fuck whomever they fuck, and if, one night, they all happen to come together? The dynamics in an open relationship orgy are very different than one where the dynamics include a cuckold. Believe me. I understand that you do not.

I'll counter with who gave you authority to be the dictionary and tell others what it has to mean to them? Enough said.

Is there anyone here who "gets" this?

 

[jomar]

ROFLOL - Joey, you kill me. You get a big fat 10 + 1 from me for your wonderful parody of anonymous feedback on LW stories.

For the permanent record? Mudpie is what they call it when cum is pushed from the ass for a money shot. Another new word for ExoMani? xo

I tried to leave a "kiss" but it disappeared...so, -kiss-

 

[TxRad]

I'll counter with who gave you authority to be the dictionary and tell others what it has to mean to them? Enough said.

Is there anyone here who "gets" this?

Your point is valid but and there is always a butt. We are not discussing the dictionary version of this word or any other . We are discussing the definition used in the loving wives category by the readers. What don't you understand about that?

 

[sr71plt]

Your point is valid but and there is always a butt. We are not discussing the dictionary version of this word or any other . We are discussing the definition used in the loving wives category by the readers. What don't you understand about that?

I got into this when VM gave a "definitive" definition.

Since then, I don't think anyone has gotten the point.

And I gave specific examples on stories in the Loving Wives category, which neither you or anyone else has. It's the Web site's perogative to give definition to its categories. There's nothing more reflective of the Web site's endorsement than a green E.

You folks are trying to enforce personal definitions that aren't valid for anyone but you personally. (Making you no different or better than the category commenters you complain about.)

 

[TxRad]

I got into this when VM gave a "definitive" definition.

Since then, I don't think anyone has gotten the point.

And I gave specific examples on stories in the Loving Wives category, which neither you or anyone else has. It's the Web site's perogative to give definition to its categories. There's nothing more reflective of the Web site's endorsement than a green E.

You folks are trying to enforce personal definitions that aren't valid for anyone but you personally. (Making you no different or better than the category commenters you complain about.)

I'm glad you have all that and us figure out so well.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm glad you have all that and us figure out so well.

I'm glad you gave up on your argument. I'm not the one trying to limit definitions to my personal choice here.

 

[TxRad]

I'm glad you gave up on your argument. I'm not the one trying to limit definitions to my personal choice here.

No, I didn't give up on the argument, just the brick wall that wants to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[CharleyH]

I'll counter with who gave you authority to be the dictionary and tell others what it has to mean to them? Enough said.

Is there anyone here who "gets" this?

We all know that you have no sex experience sr7. We 'ALL' get that.

 

[CharleyH]

I tried to leave a "kiss" but it disappeared...so, -kiss-

mwah.

 

[sr71plt]

OK, on that nasty, uncalled for, personal attack I'll give this discussion a pass.

 

[CharleyH]

OK, on that nasty, uncalled for, personal attack I'll give this discussion a pass.

Oh come on, not uncalled for and certainly more fun than nasty. The one thing I have come to understand about you over the years is that you like to hear yourself more than anyone else. Have some fun for a change, make fun of yourself like we all make fun of ourselves, and most importantly: HAPPY NEW YEAR, SR7!

 

[Pure]

i'm with VM and tx on this one. the bare dictionary definition often does not capture connotations, nor does it attempt to do so.

the american heritage dictionary, under "word history", for this entry, mentions 'pejorative' sense. in my words, one who applied the term was typically showing something like disapproval, condemnation of the husband, and, commonly, though in another sense, similar condemnation of the wife (as Charley stated).

http://www.yourdictionary.com/cuckold

there is nothing per se wrong with following a dictionary definition literally, and in a circumscribed fashion. but many who do, esp. nonnative speakers, end up saying and conveying things to listeners, which were not intended.

--

as to the infamous 'loving wives' category, it appears to be a grabbag of stories of wives, who are at very least adventurous, and who typically have a partner(s) outside her marriage, sometimes for love, other times, for various retributive or 'bitchy' reasons; there are several attitudes found in husbands, from upset, to eager approval.

what the objectors usually object to is typically that the husband is put upon, and his wife seems bitchy and exploitive. they are in a rage at the wussiness and impotence of the husband and the apparent impunity of the wife.