Loving wives - WTF, or is it me or them?

[Lifestyle66]

I just want to interrupt your defensiveness and chest thumping with one quick point.

On a personal level I have been involved in BDSM to varying degrees since my late teens. Scary to say that's approaching forty years. But according to you seeing my last BDSM story here was written 10 years or so ago, I don't know anything about it.

You don't need to write in a genre to know things about it, either in real life (where the whole cuck thing can turn ugly really quick just like swinging and swapping) or on this or any other site.

I've never said everything over there is shit, just that it has been more and more taken over by the garbage factions who are succeeding in driving off good writers and readers just there to enjoy a kink involving fictional infidelity or cuckolding.

If you want to say there's still some good folks hanging in there, I believe it. But when you act like the meme of the dog sitting in the middle of flames saying everything is fine, you sound dense. The reputation of the category was bad when I got here-and TBH I didn't think it was that bad back then-its far worse now. A look through recent comment portal can tell people that.

If you want to see yourself as the mansion in the ghetto, that's fine. But take the blinders off to what's around you.

It's not just that you don't post stories to LW, but that you don't read or comment on stories there, and yet you advise every other new author to avoid posting better stories there!

Why don't you try reading stories there to comment on how the authors there might improve their stories?

(Not worth your time, when it's easier to hate?)

 

[RejectReality]

The description for the category was changed sometime in 2003, and then again in 2011/2012

I wonder how far back the description goes. I imagine the description has been there since the beginning, and the category became about cuckolding and the rest later, in spite of the description.

The types of comments and low scoring discussed here were a well-established norm from practically the beginning. If you dig up posts from the early '00s and you'll see the same "Let me guess, Loving Wives?" refrain you see today.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/this-comment-deserves-wider-currency.336227/

There was no turning point. It's what it's always been. Public comments started around 2005, and there's virtually no difference between what you see today and what was posted then.





And for those who have any doubts about whether cuckold stories belong in the category by design, straight from the source in 2001:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/catagory-question-for-lit-survivor-thing.28891/#post-430697

Loving Wives stories are generally centered around the husband sharing the wife. Swinger couple stories fall into this category, as do cuckold stories (where the wife cheats on the husband while he watches). However, infidelity stories - ones where the husband or wife is having an affair on the side and the other doesn't know about it at all - are not Loving Wives stories. The gist of Loving Wives stories is that the husband enjoys watching the wife satisfy other men.

 

[NoTalentHack]

On a personal level I have been involved in BDSM to varying degrees since my late teens. Scary to say that's approaching forty years. But according to you seeing my last BDSM story here was written 10 years or so ago, I don't know anything about it.

You don't need to write in a genre to know things about it, either in real life (where the whole cuck thing can turn ugly really quick just like swinging and swapping) or on this or any other site.

You're confusing practice with community. Last time I went shooting, I was still pretty good; years spent living on a ranch in my youth and around gun culture ensured that. However, I haven't been to a shooting range in decades, and I have no real wish to keep up with the culture, because it and I diverged.

Me being able to shoot a gun != me being able to speak authoritatively on more than the most surface level aspects of modern gun owner culture.

You writing about BDSM (or Loving Wives, or what have you) != you being able to speak authoritatively on what the culture's like in there. That's not to say you couldn't write a hotwife story, or even speak about what it's like in the paid publishing market for it, but all that you know about LW these days is from skimming comments looking for ones that confirm your bias.

I've never said everything over there is shit

Riiiiight. In the same vein of, "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Kinda makes sense; you have about the same level of nuance.

Whatever, man. I know whatever comes from you next is going to be a bunch disingenuous or ill-informed bullshit. Why don't we skip that dance this time? Other people who know what they're talking about have had their say, you've stormed in with "LW IS A BUNCH OF INCELS, but I'm not saying they're all bad, mind, but also anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and/or liar," and the sensible folks have replied. How about we just leave it at that?

 

[ElectricBlue]

One day, it’s “What the heck is wrong with LW?” The next, “Why am I getting bombed?” Then, “Can I continue a forgotten work?” After that, “Why don’t I get comments?” And so the cycle drags on with the same tired arguments. This must be purgatory...

You forgot to mention yourself

 

[DrPope]

Wow, I haven't heard the name Xleglover in forever. I ended up on it somehow back in the days of Sublime Directory-not sure if that site is still around-and something led me there. As for quality, I wouldn't say it was great, but there's some poor quality here and everywhere else as well.

ummm Xleglover was a writer in Loving Wives on lit and before that ASSM that posted over 300 stories of the hard cuck variety in massive series of 100 chapters plus that never cared about the abuse ...and never cared that he wrote repetitive rubbish either.... he left to go write on Amazon and failed miserably there but now has a small there audience after a few name changes. Stormdog was a better writer , wrote less hard but still cuck stuff in massive length opuses that were again ...utterly repetitive He left to go to Lush as a moderator but left there too after getting questioned for repetition. I was known back when for being highly critical of both but never from a genre point of view ....they wrote badly thought out repetitive tales.

One thing I always try to do is read each piece on it's merits ...recently a author who is considered one of the best here (Jezazz) posted a third and final installment of one of his most revered stories (the Game series)after nearly a decade.... I thought it was well written but it didn't connect (the characters were completely different people in their behaviors and personalities) with his first two installments. I wasn't alone in thinking this and he got a lot of negative critical feedback in the comments ....what was interesting is that the usual LW suspects picked up on this too (the first two installments werea semi BTB classics loved by the 1 bomber crowd ) and gave it a bit (but restrained for them because of Jezzaz's obvious status) of the old treatment which hilariously resulted in Jezzaz calling them transphobic, homophobic, swill (seriously he did....I don't think he noticed Woke is on the nose these days..lol!) and promptly annoucing he was leaving Literotica (he's since deleted his origional diatribe listing his reasons for leaving and posted a more general less embarressing explanation) ...when I pointed out to him that perhaps he shouldn't complain about others lack of tolerence when he wasn't displaying the tolerence for others opinions himself he went silent..... this is the kind of crazy stuff thaty happens when people get entrenched into "camps" ..... I encourage people to read everything and try and encourage new authors as much as possible. Many new authors can creat great tales but are simply terrible at writing ...point it out ...make suggestions ....try to help as much as you can. And don't worry about scores ....

 

[Lifestyle66]

..... I encourage people to read everything and try and encourage new authors as much as possible. Many new authors can creat great tales but are simply terrible at writing ...point it out ...make suggestions ....try to help as much as you can. And don't worry about scores ....

Exactly!

When I read BTB stories, if I find one which doesn't include violent retribution, I usually comment "I'm not into BTB, but ..." I'll go on to applaud the fact it wasn't violent, then provide pros and cons as to the quality of the writing. I'll even rate the better written ones a 4 (5 if it's the author's first story), even though I don't care for those types of negative stories.

Just because I'm not into a particular kink or fetish, doesn't mean I should HATE or DISLIKE it. If that were the case, I just shouldn't have continued reading it! But I prefer to take a positive approach and encourage new authors to improve and possibly shift their stories content toward what I would LIKE!

 

[DrPope]

It turns out even the author can’t write a faithful sequel to their own work after a decade. This is a sharp reminder to those who claim sequels are entirely unoriginal. After years, even the creator can’t follow in their own footsteps.

I suspect he tried to deliberately NOT continue his main character's traits (the first was a classic BTB) because of his bullshit woke ideals ...so he fucked his whole story (and by extension the series) ...what was truly hilarious is his former BTB fanboi's turned on him and he literally had a very public temper tantrum worthy of a kindergarten playground and left ....Now where else on Lit can you find quality entertainment like that ? Only in Loving Wives

 

[cvandrews]

They 1 bombed it because basically ...Jill was a cunt, she treated Alan like shit (even more so towards the end) and nothing bad enough happened to her to make up for it. LW will always kill narratives like that.

It wasn't crap ...it wasn't particularly easy to read either and it definitely needed more of a set up then the small introduction paragraph..... but I did get diverted into thinking about a threesomes with the Bucks Fizz girls so that was something....

I continue to be amazed - astounded - appalled by how readers - usually commenting as "Anonymous" - who go apoplectic over the perceived "moral shortcomings" of totally fictional persons!

 

[WCSGarland]

I continue to be amazed - astounded - appalled by how readers - usually commenting as "Anonymous" - who go apoplectic over the perceived "moral shortcomings" of totally fictional persons!

Like the anonymous comments I received on one of my stories... "Why stay witha person that have no grasp at what love is.", "Marriage over, go to divorce" or "Hell no!"

 

[DrPope]

I continue to be amazed - astounded - appalled by how readers - usually commenting as "Anonymous" - who go apoplectic over the perceived "moral shortcomings" of totally fictional persons!

But where the fuck would we be without them ? It’s free entertainment

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I continue to be amazed - astounded - appalled by how readers - usually commenting as "Anonymous" - who go apoplectic over the perceived "moral shortcomings" of totally fictional persons!

...Why, though?

I mean, seriously, I never got that argument. Of course people have emotional reactions to stuff they read. Why wouldn't they? If "They're FICTIONAL characters" had the backing some people think it has, there wouldn't be regular outrage over violent video games. How successful do you think this site would be if everyone read our stories while constantly telling themselves, "It's not real. There are no actual emotions involved, because the characters aren't sentient beings".

Or, let me try to put it this way: If I am not supposed to see the characters in your stories as actual people... why should I care about anything you put on paper? Everything your characters say or do suddenly becomes nothing more than a figment of YOUR imagination, and loses all value.

 

[Actingup]

I continue to be amazed - astounded - appalled by how readers - usually commenting as "Anonymous" - who go apoplectic over the perceived "moral shortcomings" of totally fictional persons!

...and to transfer their views about the characters in the story to the author of the story, as though the author endorses all the behaviours described. Guess what? I told the story because I thought it would be fun and interesting to explore the consequences of the terrible decisions that people like reading about, not because I think they're great ideas for living...

 

[WCSGarland]

I mostly enjoy the fact that I wrote characters so believable that they made the readers upset.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

...and to transfer their views about the characters in the story to the author of the story, as though the author endorses all the behaviours described. Guess what? I told the story because I thought it would be fun and interesting to explore the consequences of the terrible decisions that people like reading about, not because I think they're great ideas for living...

To be fair, though, the vast majority of stories on this site appear to be nothing more than masturbation fantasies. So, I can kinda understand when readers don't assume that an author, who publishes on Literotica, DIDN'T write what they wrote because they thought it could be fun, or an interesting concept to explore, or a thought experiment, ...but simply something the author was fantasizing about.

 

[Actingup]

To be fair, though, the vast majority of stories on this site appear to be nothing more than masturbation fantasies. So, I can kinda understand when readers don't assume that an author, who publishes on Literotica, DIDN'T write what they wrote because they thought it could be fun, or an interesting concept to explore, or a thought experiment, ...but simply something the author was fantasizing about.

True... or the reader feels cock-blocked through the author writing something that they didn't want to be reading about!

 

[LetsMisBehave]

I mostly enjoy the fact that I wrote characters so believable that they made the readers upset.

I am trying to resist the temptation to write a bait-and-switch story designed to wind up the moralists who read ertic fixtion

 

[LetsMisBehave]

Sorry, I meant to edit before posting. Ertic fixtion, of course, meant erotic fiction. I would have added deliberately wind up as opposed to unintentionally wind up.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I am trying to resist the temptation to write a bait-and-switch story designed to wind up the moralists who read ertic fixtion

I do a lot of that, writing to wind them up.

Try reading my Loving Wives story from last year:
"Pavlov's Dog -- 750 Words"
"Her needs and routines might get a girl killed."

It's rated at 2.27 with over 700 votes!

 

[DrPope]

I do a lot of that, writing to wind them up.

Try reading my Loving Wives story from last year:
"Pavlov's Dog -- 750 Words"
"Her needs and routines might get a girl killed."

It's rated at 2.27 with over 700 votes!

Yeah I mean she was a heinous slut cunt but at least she was his heinous slut cunt ....... better then nothing

 

[MillieDynamite]

I was going to make a comment. But after getting caught up with all the text on this page, I can't even remember what I was going to say. Talking about repetitive, this whole thread is a retread of other threads, but, to its credit, it has stayed right on course and not been derailed. Not that the rails we are running down are that lovely a journey!

 

[Britva415]

...and to transfer their views about the characters in the story to the author of the story, as though the author endorses all the behaviours described.

THIS is the astounding part.

 

[LetsMisBehave]

THIS is the astounding part.

I did an interesting thought experiment by writing two linked series of stories in Loving Wives and Mature. The two in Mature are among my best-ranked (and least-read) stories, and the two in Loving Wives are among my most-read (and worst-rated) stories despite the fact that the wife in question has not betrayed her husband and has not yet shown any desire to. I have delayed writing a follow-up story for some time because I was bemused that people couldn't imagine that I was writing about an older man fifty years ago having to deal with his hang-ups about sex with a younger woman who wanted to be faithful to him if he showed some enthusiasm.

 

[Cacatua_Galerita]

Actingup> ...and to transfer their views about the characters in the story to the author of the story, as though the author endorses all the behaviours described.

THIS is the astounding part.

Not just authors of a story. This, from an interview with actor Ewan McGregor:

Fame arrived with all its disadvantages. McGregor laughs as he tells the story of when he was strip searched by US customs. “It was after Trainspotting, and the customs guy took me into a booth. It was absolutely that he’d seen me in a movie about heroin and therefore assumed I’d be carrying heroin on me. I sort of took it as a compliment. Obviously I’d been quite convincing.”

Edit: Fortunately for Ewan, the Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded...

Customs Officer: Let me touch your junk.
Ewan McGregor: [with a small wave of his hand] You don't need to touch my junk.
Customs Officer: We don't need to touch his junk.
Ewan McGregor: I’m not the crackhead you're looking for.
Customs Officer: This isn't the crackhead we're looking for.
Ewan McGregor: I can go about my business.
Customs Officer: You can go about your business.
Ewan McGregor: Move along.
Customs Officer: Move along... move along.

 

[DrPope]

I did an interesting thought experiment by writing two linked series of stories in Loving Wives and Mature. The two in Mature are among my best-ranked (and least-read) stories, and the two in Loving Wives are among my most-read (and worst-rated) stories despite the fact that the wife in question has not betrayed her husband and has not yet shown any desire to. I have delayed writing a follow-up story for some time because I was bemused that people couldn't imagine that I was writing about an older man fifty years ago having to deal with his hang-ups about sex with a younger woman who wanted to be faithful to him if he showed some enthusiasm.

Let me ask you a question ...were you happy with either?

 

[MillieDynamite]

They should create a new tag, JACS, Just Another Cheating Story!!!!