Writing Question re: Dungeon

[angelicminx]

I apologize if this has been asked before, but I don't have time to do a thread search.

I need to know how to set up a BDSM type dungeon room complete with shackles. Basic premise is MMF with one male in shackles.

Anyone?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Standing shackles; They are hanging from an overhead beam. This could be a standing structure- you can call it a "trapese" and afficianados will know what you mean.
You guy could be attached to a standing "X" cross, with manacles dangling from each arm, or, it could be leaning against a wall.
The equipment is usually constructed from wood, with leather padding where desired.
Does this help?

ahh, memories...

 

[Weird Harold]

I apologize if this has been asked before, but I don't have time to do a thread search.

I need to know how to set up a BDSM type dungeon room complete with shackles. Basic premise is MMF with one male in shackles.

Anyone?

The BDSM Forum would be more likely to have the information you need.

However, how a dungeon is set up is going to depend on where your characters live and how much they can afford. I've seen everything from an unfinished basement with eyebolts in the ceiling joists and a cardboard box full of "toys" to huge mansions with elaborate secret dungeons full of custom-built articulated frames to shackle playmates to depicted in stories.

If you're not a big BDSM fan yourself, I'd keep it simple -- on the level of a couple of eye-bolts in the wall or ceiling and several sets of handcuffs.

 

[3113]

What W.H. said--it depends on either your characters (rich or poor, imaginative or not), and/or the story. Is this going to be a dream dungeon (i.e. fantastic erotica, more fantasy than reality), or do you want it "realistic"--meaning things might break, fall apart, have splinters, need to be kept up and dusted

You might also consider that there are commercial dungeons. Rather than having a dungeon in the home, the couple can go to places that specialize in such things. You pay a fee to play in their dungeon and they provide all the goodies (wallpaper and velvet spanking benches included) and maintain things.

For inspiration you could visit such a place. Just google "dungeon" + your area.

 

[Stella_Omega]

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For inspiration you could visit such a place. Just google "dungeon" + your area.

ooooOOOOoooo.....

 

[MissBri]

 

[rgraham666]

Last time I indulged in a bit of BDSM I broke the handcuff key.

Luckily there's a bit of Macgyver in me, so I got her out of them without too much trouble.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I just always pictured a Far Side cartoon - You know, two ragged wretches, hanging from shackles on a wall, one saying to the other something like, "If you're happy and you know it clap your hands . . ."

 

[angelicminx]

This helps quite a bit. I'm using a real house as a setting and it's on the market for 1.285 million, so money isn't an object, but at this point I don't know if the characters would choose this as a lifestyle or just a fantasy game.

I have more questions, but I can't think how to ask them.

1. I want to access both sides of his body, so he'd need to be in the center of the room, right?

2. I don't want to dislocate his shoulders and all I can picture at this point is his arms pulling out of the sockets (Gruesome, lol.) Hell, maybe I'm just too tired to think about this right now. (Of course, murder is running rampant in my mind... is that because of the story or... well, never mind.)

I'm afraid of the BDSM forum, not being into that particular fetish. Light bondage, yes, but not much beyond that. I'm not sure they would welcome my intrusion. If y'all know of any sites that would describe/ show pictures of the basic idea, that would be great!

Why the hell these characters want to do something like this is beyond me, but they are bugging the fuck out of me to get the dungeon set so they can play.

 

[Weird Harold]

This helps quite a bit. I'm using a real house as a setting and it's on the market for 1.285 million, so money isn't an object, but at this point I don't know if the characters would choose this as a lifestyle or just a fantasy game.
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Why the hell these characters want to do something like this is beyond me, but they are bugging the fuck out of me to get the dungeon set so they can play.

Perhaps the house already has a dungeon and the characters just want to try it out before they decide whether to remodel?

I'm afraid of the BDSM forum, not being into that particular fetish. Light bondage, yes, but not much beyond that. I'm not sure they would welcome my intrusion.

I don't think you've much to be afraid of; most of them would probably love to engage in a discussion of just what makes for a "dream dungeon" and many probably have sites with examples bookmarked.

 

[angelicminx]

Perhaps the house already has a dungeon and the characters just want to try it out before they decide whether to remodel?

Interesting. You may be on to something there.

I don't think you've much to be afraid of; most of them would probably love to engage in a discussion of just what makes for a "dream dungeon" and many probably have sites with examples bookmarked.

Good point! I've posted my question on BDSM Talk. Crossing my fingers.

Thanks, Harold.

And thanks to Stella, 3113, MistressJett, Rob, and Roxanne as well. For all of y'all!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I like this premise from a novice in BDSM. It suggests an open mind. I think that something COULD hang from the ceiling, though I could be wrong about that. Also, what about spreader bars, or would that be too awkward in the story? Funny how characters sometimes turn out kinkier or more vanilla than the writer. Proof that they become people, even if only in the mind.

 

[angelicminx]

I like this premise from a novice in BDSM. It suggests an open mind. I think that something COULD hang from the ceiling, though I could be wrong about that. Also, what about spreader bars, or would that be too awkward in the story? Funny how characters sometimes turn out kinkier or more vanilla than the writer. Proof that they become people, even if only in the mind.

Just the man I was looking for.

I don't know how anything works, though I do have some concept of what things are. I don't think anything is going to be too awkward, to be honest without giving away the main plot. I know there must be some sort of gag and he must be bound by both hand and foot. I also know that he must be in a standing or close to standing position. Beyond that...well... they haven't mentioned what they want yet. (Other than also being able to access both sides of his body. )

 

[gargouille]

answered on the bdsm forum

 

[3113]

Last time I indulged in a bit of BDSM I broke the handcuff key.

Luckily there's a bit of Macgyver in me, so I got her out of them without too much trouble.

And you wonder why you haven't been getting any dates

 

[rgraham666]

And you wonder why you haven't been getting any dates

Ow!

Remind me to do something nice for you, when the time is ripe.

 

[angelicminx]

Okay, I'm getting close to what I need to set the scene. Any advice on BDSM in general? I'm shooting for extreme eroticism without getting into any eye rolling moments.

Also, thanks Severus, I DO have an open mind.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Okay, I'm getting close to what I need to set the scene. Any advice on BDSM in general? I'm shooting for extreme eroticism without getting into any eye rolling moments.

Also, thanks Severus, I DO have an open mind.

You're welcum. And I can tell you do. I would suggest a lot of teasing, if you're going for the idea of a submissive male. Nothing would reinforce the torture in a sexually sadistic and yet erotic way more than being teased and tantalized with the woman's body and yet not allowed an orgasm or even to decide how much physical contact he has with her. Is the other man a Dom or a sub? Also, is the bound man or the other man bi? Just curious. A little sensual nipple and wax play would help enhance it too. (By wax, of course, I mean candle wax.)

Not the biggest fan of femdom, but I do those stories occasionally and I have a less prominent sub side to my mostly Dom switch persona. Also, I think that femdom, as with any kink or fetish, should be done right. I think you'll do well, but I think that my ideas will help. Maybe even some ice play.

 

[3113]

Okay, I'm getting close to what I need to set the scene. Any advice on BDSM in general? I'm shooting for extreme eroticism without getting into any eye rolling moments.

Some questions--and very general observations--that might help you along:

1) Are they a bedroom couple or a 24/7 couple?

A bedroom couple means that they only really engage in BDSM when they're in the bedroom or in sexual play. So, outside the bedroom they're going to be like most other married couples. "What's for dinner?" - "I dunno, what do you want?"

The Dom might ask the sub to wear something during the day as a promise of things to come--for example, special underwear. The sub spends the day at work, reminded by this underwear that when they get home, the Dom will be waiting for them (very exciting!). But for the most part, it's only when they're inside the dungeon that they take on the roles.

So, outside the dungeon the wife is Nancy. Inside the Dungeon she is Mistress. It's a form of fantasy and role playing.

A 24/7 couple means one is always the sub, one always the Dom. At work the sub may make decisons, but in the marriage, it's all up to the Dom, and the sub is happy enough to surrender control. "We're having steaks for dinner"--"Yes, sir. How would you like those steaks cooked?" It's up to the Dom to decide, or give the sub options ("Here are three places for dinner, pick one."). In some cases, this 24/7 relationship can be quite ritualized. The husband comes home from work and kisses his wife's feet in greeting, for instance.

This is what it's all about--the desire to be in control or surrender control. In the bedroom...or in the marriage...or any amount inbetween. It's very freeing for the subs to know the Dom's in control. And control-freak Doms feel good knowing that the sub is there to do their bidding, like a doctor during surgery with an attentive nurse.

2) How long have they been doing this? Are they still new at it or have they been doing it for years now?

One thing I've noticed from my research is that there is a certain excitement to the whole thing. The rituals of BDSM enhance the sexual anticipation. So the particpants get excited while putting on their special clothing. They get excited seeing each other in the special clothing (or imagining each other--the husband gets excited thinking of his wife with a whip in hand, the wife gets excited thinking of the husband hanging from chains). They get excited touching or looking at the toys and accouterments. There is a lot of anticipatory excitement and arrousal.

Another thing, that I've often heard is the desire on the sub's part to please the dom. Yes, the sub may have a safeword, but they're reluctant to use it because they want to please the dom, show them they can take it. Especially guys. They feel great trust that the Dom knows what they're doing. They like the thought of belonging to this Dom.

The dom, in turn, tends to feel a great deal of pride in their sub, and strong ownership. The one thing that usually runs though their minds is "MINE!" The burden of making things work, and deciding how far things are going to go is usually up to them.

3) Who is the Dom and who is the sub? A small woman dominating a large man is a very different dynamic than a large man dominating a small woman. Culturally, as well, there's often more to the man admitting that he wants to be controlled and surrender, than there is to a woman acknowleding it.

4) In relation to that, who is the larger and more physically strong? A dom is a dom by way of will-power and personality. A quadraplegic in a wheel chair could be a dom. But, again, it alters the dynamic and the excitment. Some men want to be dominated by woman who are not only mentally but physically more powerful. They get a charge out of that. Other men get more of a charge if the woman is small, they feel more of a surrender that way. And vice versa.

5) Do they switch? Some couples like to switch who's gets to be the sub, and who the Dom.

This is, of course, all very general. Your characters may vary depending on background, personality, etc.

Any of that help?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Some questions--and very general observations--that might help you along:

1) Are they a bedroom couple or a 24/7 couple?

A bedroom couple means that they only really engage in BDSM when they're in the bedroom or in sexual play. So, outside the bedroom they're going to be like most other married couples. "What's for dinner?" - "I dunno, what do you want?"

The Dom might ask the sub to wear something during the day as a promise of things to come--for example, special underwear. The sub spends the day at work, reminded by this underwear that when they get home, the Dom will be waiting for them (very exciting!). But for the most part, it's only when they're inside the dungeon that they take on the roles.

So, outside the dungeon the wife is Nancy. Inside the Dungeon she is Mistress. It's a form of fantasy and role playing.

A 24/7 couple means one is always the sub, one always the Dom. At work the sub may make decisons, but in the marriage, it's all up to the Dom, and the sub is happy enough to surrender control. "We're having steaks for dinner"--"Yes, sir. How would you like those steaks cooked?" It's up to the Dom to decide, or give the sub options ("Here are three places for dinner, pick one."). In some cases, this 24/7 relationship can be quite ritualized. The husband comes home from work and kisses his wife's feet in greeting, for instance.

This is what it's all about--the desire to be in control or surrender control. In the bedroom...or in the marriage...or any amount inbetween. It's very freeing for the subs to know the Dom's in control. And control-freak Doms feel good knowing that the sub is there to do their bidding, like a doctor during surgery with an attentive nurse.

2) How long have they been doing this? Are they still new at it or have they been doing it for years now?

One thing I've noticed from my research is that there is a certain excitement to the whole thing. The rituals of BDSM enhance the sexual anticipation. So the particpants get excited while putting on their special clothing. They get excited seeing each other in the special clothing (or imagining each other--the husband gets excited thinking of his wife with a whip in hand, the wife gets excited thinking of the husband hanging from chains). They get excited touching or looking at the toys and accouterments. There is a lot of anticipatory excitement and arrousal.

Another thing, that I've often heard is the desire on the sub's part to please the dom. Yes, the sub may have a safeword, but they're reluctant to use it because they want to please the dom, show them they can take it. Especially guys. They feel great trust that the Dom knows what they're doing. They like the thought of belonging to this Dom.

The dom, in turn, tends to feel a great deal of pride in their sub, and strong ownership. The one thing that usually runs though their minds is "MINE!" The burden of making things work, and deciding how far things are going to go is usually up to them.

3) Who is the Dom and who is the sub? A small woman dominating a large man is a very different dynamic than a large man dominating a small woman. Culturally, as well, there's often more to the man admitting that he wants to be controlled and surrender, than there is to a woman acknowleding it.

4) In relation to that, who is the larger and more physically strong? A dom is a dom by way of will-power and personality. A quadraplegic in a wheel chair could be a dom. But, again, it alters the dynamic and the excitment. Some men want to be dominated by woman who are not only mentally but physically more powerful. They get a charge out of that. Other men get more of a charge if the woman is small, they feel more of a surrender that way. And vice versa.

5) Do they switch? Some couples like to switch who's gets to be the sub, and who the Dom.

This is, of course, all very general. Your characters may vary depending on background, personality, etc.

Any of that help?

Speaking as someone who switches with his SO (I have 5 days in charge, she has 2), this has several good points. And we're kind of a cross between 24/7 and bedroom couple. There are elements of both in our relationship. Just an example.

 

[rgraham666]

Kind of a thread jack here.

One of the things I like least about BDSM is the ritualism of it. To me, it reduces the spontaneity and the pleasure.

In many ways the ritualism reduces the personality of the people involved, kind of makes ciphers out of them. Perhaps it's just because of the BDSM work I've read here and elsewhere, but this aspect of BDSM doesn't enthrall me with it.

And did I get flamed for this attitude over at the BDSM Forum when I expressed it.

OK, end thread jack.

 

[3113]

One of the things I like least about BDSM is the ritualism of it. To me, it reduces the spontaneity and the pleasure.

Dude. People like what they like. And from what I understand--though I'm certainly no expert--the ritual gives BDSM folk the feelings they're looking for.

I mean, nuns and priests and other religious folk like ritual. And I know people who enjoy being in the military because they like the ritual. There is a feeling of safety in ritual that people enjoy, a feeling that things are stable and under control.

If life outside the home (or dungeon) is unstable, unpredictable, chaotic, then ritual in sex offers an oasis. You know how to act and what responses you'll get, unlike in other situations.

In this case, there is a mix of thrill and danger in the ritual, so you get the best of both world (for some people), the excitement of the forbidden and the perilous, along with ritual to remind them that its stable and controlled. And, for all the dangerous impliments being used and pain inflicted, ritual offers a promise of safety, that one of you won't end up crippled or dead. In a BDSM situation, you really wouldn't want too much spontaneity. What, after all, if the person suddenly set you on fire? That's spontanious, all right

 

[JMohegan]

Dude. People like what they like. And from what I understand--though I'm certainly no expert--the ritual gives BDSM folk the feelings they're looking for.

Just by way of clarification here (as opposed to jumping on anyone's back), I'll note that some BDSMers appreciate ritual but some do not.

I am a 48 year old dominant male and a sadist, with decades of experience in D/s relationships.

I have never allowed a partner to call me Sir or Master, never enjoyed elaborate rules or rituals, never had a dungeon in my home or "played" in one outside it, never worn fetish attire and never wanted a partner to either.

As with any other group of people, the common stereotypes about BDSMers are true in some cases but not in others. And for me, ritual has absolutely nothing to do with "the feelings [I'm] looking for" in D/s.

Last time I indulged in a bit of BDSM I broke the handcuff key.

That's funny as hell.

To keep things in perspective, my buddies and I maintain a Dominant's Book of Blunders. (We call it the D-BoB.) That is exactly the type of thing we put in there, and christ - we've got hundreds.

 

[angelicminx]

Just to clarify a little, I'm more interested in the bondage aspect than the D/s aspect for this story. (D/s, however, fascinates me on a personal level. )

1) Are they a bedroom couple or a 24/7 couple?

The man in bondage is a guest at the party, the other man and the woman are married to each other, but only engage in bondage as a bedroom game.

2) How long have they been doing this? Are they still new at it or have they been doing it for years now?

I'm not sure how long they've been doing this, but I'm almost positive they are still new. Also, the creation of the dungeon was specifically for the party, but they may leave it intact afterward. It was something they had discussed on prior occasions.

3) Who is the Dom and who is the sub? A small woman dominating a large man is a very different dynamic than a large man dominating a small woman. Culturally, as well, there's often more to the man admitting that he wants to be controlled and surrender, than there is to a woman acknowleding it.

It's mainly her fantasy, to have this Adonis of a man bound to her will, but the husband also intends to participate in the domination of the bound man. She's small, while the husband and the other man are of similar size. (She's approx. 5'2" 110 lbs and the men approx. 6'2" and 250 lbs.)

I think that answers the next question and I don't have an answer for the last one as yet. In this scene I think the couple intend to both dominate the bound man.

 

[angelicminx]

You're welcum. And I can tell you do. I would suggest a lot of teasing, if you're going for the idea of a submissive male. Nothing would reinforce the torture in a sexually sadistic and yet erotic way more than being teased and tantalized with the woman's body and yet not allowed an orgasm or even to decide how much physical contact he has with her. Is the other man a Dom or a sub? Also, is the bound man or the other man bi? Just curious. A little sensual nipple and wax play would help enhance it too. (By wax, of course, I mean candle wax.)

Not the biggest fan of femdom, but I do those stories occasionally and I have a less prominent sub side to my mostly Dom switch persona. Also, I think that femdom, as with any kink or fetish, should be done right. I think you'll do well, but I think that my ideas will help. Maybe even some ice play.

The other man, in this case, is a Dom. Both men are bi. I like your ideas. Would you be willing to edit the scene once it's finished? I REALLY don't want to be slammed for missing a beat in the scene.