Young Justice/Teen Titans (OOC)

[Sean Renaud]

Nope, go for it. Like I said I'm gonna double check to see which villians aren't engaged and then post probably in an hour or so. Trying to get through the Walking Dead.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Nope, go for it. Like I said I'm gonna double check to see which villians aren't engaged and then post probably in an hour or so. Trying to get through the Walking Dead.

Thank you!

...an ironic choice of television, under the circumstances. XD Enjoy!

 

[The Jeffinator]

I had totally forgotten about Nat's connections to dwarf star tech, lol. I wasn't even going to touch on that with Palmer, though, and make him more like Captain Atom so he's not a copy of Steel, lol. His primary abilities would be energy-based, but eventually he learns atomic transmutation, though the effect only lasts as long as he is consciously controlling it -- he could turn water into rum or lead into gold by causing the physical structure to mimic another structure, but as soon as he stops focusing, the transmutated item would revert to normal. When he first starts doing this, the items explode when they revert back, lol.

Although I don't really understand how a dwarf star would allow one to change their mass and grow huge or tiny, I won't make you change it and I won't have Palmer do anything to mess with your set-up.

Also, just a random science fact -- if Jupiter was sixteen times more massive, it would be a brown dwarf star .

 

[ChasNicollette]

I had totally forgotten about Nat's connections to dwarf star tech, lol. I wasn't even going to touch on that with Palmer, though, and make him more like Captain Atom so he's not a copy of Steel, lol. His primary abilities would be energy-based, but eventually he learns atomic transmutation, though the effect only lasts as long as he is consciously controlling it -- he could turn water into rum or lead into gold by causing the physical structure to mimic another structure, but as soon as he stops focusing, the transmutated item would revert to normal. When he first starts doing this, the items explode when they revert back, lol.

Although I don't really understand how a dwarf star would allow one to change their mass and grow huge or tiny, I won't make you change it and I won't have Palmer do anything to mess with your set-up.

Also, just a random science fact -- if Jupiter was sixteen times more massive, it would be a brown dwarf star .

Ah! So like a combination of Captain Atom and Firestorm with a dash of Element Lad (I think E-Lad's transmutations had a time-limit in the threeboot Legion?). Cool.

I think the growing/shrinking thing was a comicky-scifi wrinkle on The Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy, by which they explained where Atom's extraneous mass went when he shrunk, he transferred it to the already super-dense white dwarf star fragment. Then he would just transfer it back to himself when he was done. Thus, no mass was created or destroyed in the process, just moved around. Whereas on the occasions he got enlarging powers-- like during that Genesis Wave event that made super powers all screwy --he would just be transferring additional mass from the fragment and using it to bolster his own.

I'm not saying it's a perfect explanation, but comics scifi rarely is, as we've already discussed at length.

In any case, thanks for not making me revise!

 

[The Jeffinator]

Ah! So like a combination of Captain Atom and Firestorm with a dash of Element Lad (I think E-Lad's transmutations had a time-limit in the threeboot Legion?). Cool.

I think the growing/shrinking thing was a comicky-scifi wrinkle on The Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy, by which they explained where Atom's extraneous mass went when he shrunk, he transferred it to the already super-dense white dwarf star fragment. Then he would just transfer it back to himself when he was done. Thus, no mass was created or destroyed in the process, just moved around. Whereas on the occasions he got enlarging powers-- like during that Genesis Wave event that made super powers all screwy --he would just be transferring additional mass from the fragment and using it to bolster his own.

I'm not saying it's a perfect explanation, but comics scifi rarely is, as we've already discussed at length.

In any case, thanks for not making me revise!

I guess I don't understand how he gets his mass to a white dwarf, lol. And wouldn't any mass added to that of any star be engulfed by the heat? Plus another problem with shrinking down too small or growing too big is the chemical compounds one needs to inhale to breathe. I would assume if one shrank down so small that they could no longer inhale oxygen, they would need a special breathing mask that shrunk oxygen down with them. And if one shrunk down while keeping their mass like Ant-Man, I would assume their body would be so compressed that normal blood flow would be impossible.

But that's just me being OCD . Like I said, I won't make you change it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I guess I don't understand how he gets his mass to a white dwarf, lol. And wouldn't any mass added to that of any star be engulfed by the heat? Plus another problem with shrinking down too small or growing too big is the chemical compounds one needs to inhale to breathe. I would assume if one shrank down so small that they could no longer inhale oxygen, they would need a special breathing mask that shrunk oxygen down with them. And if one shrunk down while keeping their mass like Ant-Man, I would assume their body would be so compressed that normal blood flow would be impossible.

But that's just me being OCD . Like I said, I won't make you change it.

Mass added to a warp star as long as you added at the core most likely wouldn't be "engulfed" by which you actually mean transformed into energy. Mass does not get engulfed nor can be destroyed.

A much, much better question if we're talking about changes in mass is at least as quasiscientific as it is, siphoning energy/mass off a dwarf star at least handwaves where your mass comes and goes. Guys like the Hulk and Bane and Mr. Fantastic somehow create something out of nothing. It's pure magic and they never even attempt to explain how those guys grow and or shrink. Even Absorbing Man makes more sense, we know where his extra mass comes from we just aren't quite sure where or why it goes at the end.

I've no clue how precisely Antman would work since he clearly doesn't keep his mass no matter what the comics claim. When tiny he's seen riding ants. If he kept his mass an ant would be no more able to carry him at that size than they could at his regular size. And since (at least classic Antman, the current universe draws more from Ultimate than classic) could also grow to giant size at giant size he should have no more mass than normal. So he shouldn't be that hard to lift and toss around. Difficult sure, but difficult for reasons that it's hard to carry a rug or a mattress. It's wouldn't be the mass, it woudl be the size and weight distribution. But he clearly gains and his punches would be like getting hit by an enormous pillow since in order to maintain the same mass his density would have to decrease proportionate to his size.

So yeah, no matter what they might claim observable evidence calls bullshit.

Just like Thor's hammer MUST have some extra rules tossed in there that aren't specifically mentioned. Like if Thor puts it on your truck (or in the case of Avengers puts it down in your Helicarrier? Tricarrier? Not sure which model they're on. That the driver is considered "worthy" or the vehichle isn't considered moving it if Thor puts it on an already mobile object.

Its really best not to think about Super Hero mechanics other than for the fun of trying work out how precisely a given scenario ought work out based on the information you've been given and accept that for starters a lot of heroes have what TvTropes defines as necessary secondary powers. Which is basically a super power that is never mentioned but you clearly have because if you didn't your powers wouldn't work right. And that the writers either goof or simply don't give a shit.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Well gaining mass is easy -- look at tumors and growths. Look at how a baby grows into an adult. The tricky part would be turning an adult back into a baby, lol.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Except that's you don't gain mass overnight, not even tumors. You eat food, convert it into energy, then convert it back into mass. You don't wake up with basketball sized tumor, nor do babies wake up adult sized over night, or over a year, or ever six years.

Now currently there is no way for living organisms to shed bone bass in a controlled way, but that's a limitation of living tissue. There's no law of physics that states we couldn't it's a law of nature that we don't.

 

[Sean Renaud]

By the way, I'm finally not Ben 10 and we fight a guy named Wrath? Really. Fuck you God. Fuck you Jeff. Fuck you Sean. Fuck everybody.

I can already see that scene.

"Let me tell you something guy who calls himself Wrath. There is only one guy named Rath and that's me. Two Raths is three to many." Rath pauses looking at his fingers. "Two too many." Pauses again. "You know what Rath meant, you have to go!"

 

[ChasNicollette]

This needs to happen.

Better bring in Ben before we fight the replacement Wrath!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Rath is SO much fun right, I mean I basically get to write in pro wrestling style rants. It's a blast.

Also I sat through several of the battles vs the Homunculi and. . .we're doing the Cadmus Run right? The one where the heroes collectively agree we're fucked, and then we get locked in a room with Superboy, and since we finally have Megan she's gonna keep him from rocking us like a hurricane? Cus having watched that fight I no longer feel grossly under powered. I think Ms. Martian (if she ever fought to her potential) is the only one we've got with a remote chance of taking one of these bastards out.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Just like Superboy/Wrath, all the Homunculi have a key word to immediately halt them in case they get out of control. We'll say the key word is "Comatose," which makes them fall into a temporary coma on the spot due to telepathic programming. The slumber will last for about six hours, but they can be reawakened sooner by saying "Mind Open." Somehow our characters can learn this, maybe through M'gann's psychic powers. She could get it from a guard's mind or something.

So I'm thinking after they release Wrath/Superboy, we get our asses handed to us and are temporarily captured, but right before everyone's powers are suppressed with collars, M'gann manages to plant heroic images of Superman in Superboy's mind, and he eventually feels guilty and rescues them. He helps them secure data to take Cadmus down and the team make a mad dash to escape. We take the Sins out with the key word, jump in the Count's van and take off back to the warehouse.

Before sending the data to every major media outlet and the Supreme Court, we go on a second mission to Santa Prisca, which the data tells us is another base of operations for General Eiling. Our heroes find out that the Vertigo manufactured at Cadmus is actually a similar formula to Venom. Venom was designed to enhance the body, while Vertigo was designed to enhance the mind and senses. These are two parts of General Eiling's Super Soldier Project, and his ultimate goal is to combine Vertigo and Venom into a single formula to create the perfect warrior. But so far that combination has killed every test subject. He has proven he can create metahumans from the ground up, but he wants to be able to turn normal humans into super soldiers that become dependent on Vertigo/Venom so that he has control over them. His reasons for selling Vertigo as a drug on the streets of L.A. were to test it's effects and addiction potential on a large pool of people, and also to bring in extra money that the government didn't know about. Ultimately, Eiling will become desperate and take the Vertigo-Venom himself and become a hulk monster, lol.

The team decides to go to Santa Prisca before releasing the data collected at Cadmus because they know Eiling will be going there to cover his tracks, and they want to get there before the media is all over them.

Sound cool?

Oh, and there have been instances of growths getting very large very fast in people. Granted, not in seconds like Hulk, but still. Some kids have growth spurts and gain a lot of mass in a very short amount of time. Someone growing to a Hulk size seems somewhat realistic to me, but getting back down to normal is the tricky part. If someone realistically turned into the Hulk, it would be permanent. The bones, muscle, and skin would mutate and grow and swell and be changed forever.

 

[The Jeffinator]

LMAO! "These guys! They don't die!" Love it.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Cool post, Nubian, I just have a question:

If Kaldur knows about Alfred Pennyworth, does that mean he also knows Batman's identity?

I don't recall if anyone expressed any interest in bringing in Cyborg or Kid Flash as Titans, but we don't really have to worry about that right now.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I edited the first post of the IC to include a section at the top called "The story so far" where I will keep track of the story in the form of Issue numbers. I also included an issue title and will do that for each one, though I am thinking of actually making a fake cover up in photoshop for each issue. That would be pretty cool.

 

[Nubian_Legend]

Cool post, Nubian, I just have a question:

If Kaldur knows about Alfred Pennyworth, does that mean he also knows Batman's identity?

I don't recall if anyone expressed any interest in bringing in Cyborg or Kid Flash as Titans, but we don't really have to worry about that right now.

Nah, not really. He wouldn't know anything about secret identities other than the ones in his associated circle, I just wanted to thow a curveball into the mix. He doesn't really know Alfred but Alfred is like a memetic lethal joke character. I just couldn't think of too many people who were stronger than a bikergang but arguably weaker than lagoon boy. (Who I think could take LB with some prep)

I just wanted to take a shot at Lagoon Boy because he's not the most useful superhero. You want me to go back and change it? I can make it Bibbo instead.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I just think it's weird to have Batman's civilian butler in a training simulator, lol. Alfred used to work for the British government, yes, but how would Kaldur know that? And how did he get Alfred's specs and fighting techniques to put into the simulator without discovering his master is Batman? Why would he even target some random rich boy's butler for an intense training simulation? Just doesn't make sense to me, haha. But I won't ask you to change it. We'll just roll with it.

 

[Tight_n_ready]

Guiding electricity with TK? Can I do that? I don't know if that's already been established in the comics at some point?

 

[The Jeffinator]

Okay, it's not the best, but I made a title cover for Issue #1, lol. I put it in the first IC post. I ended up just messing around with a few existing images and threw it together in MS Paint, lol.

And Tighty, Nightwing was thinking you could use telekinesis to guide the electricity towards the baddies like an invisible tube, or like Andrew did in the movie Chronicle, but since he may not know the exact limits of her power, she can tell him that she is unable to guide it. However, as an alternate plan, she could suggest they just use Steel's power core to fry everything in the room and she could maybe lift them up out of the way? Another option is for her to use her telekinesis to set off the fire sprinklers before they shock them.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Teke could be used to insulate or levitate the team while Steel and her AI reconfigure her plasma cannons to emit straight electricity, thereby allowing her to direct the bolts herself without teke.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Yeah, that was my second idea, to just have M'gann lift the team out of the way or they could all stand behind Steel and let her go crazy .

 

[ChasNicollette]

Honestly, with her plasma cannons, photon-emitters, and bootjets at full blast, we might not need the taser sweep, she could burn 'em down Roy Mustang style. But she would probably need an airlift outta there or a recharge in a hurry, because her power cells would be spent.

She just hasn't had a chance to bust loose, partly because she's scared spitless she's gonna hurt yet another teammate in the close quarters.

 

[The Jeffinator]

That could work too. My idea was to get us to a point where Eiling thinks we are going to escape and awakens Wrath. But he won't feel the need to do that if we are already getting our asses handed to us by the six that are there.

One option to prevent her from completely draining her core is to have M'gann use TK to rip electrical wires out of the overhead lights or the wall after setting off the sprinklers and touch the wires to the water. That would electrify the Sins without draining Steel, but then if M'gann is focused in the wires, can she still protect the team? Nightwing should be okay because the charge won't go through his boots, Steel and Beast Boy can fly, and I'd assume Tigress also has a suit insulated against electricity? Star would be the one most at risk, but Steel could lift him up in her arms or something. Does that sound good to everyone? If we are in agreement, I'll edit my post to have Nightwing suggest that instead.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Works for me.

Then Steel can still have some gas in her tank to at least try and get a couple hits on Superboy.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Star can also stall with Wrath/Superboy. He's always shown as a strength over grace guy so I think a martial artist fighting defensively could hold him off basically until he either fucked up or got exhausted (and fucked up) The big detail being how tough are Superboy's ligaments? With Sloth I assumed (based on the fights I saw him in) that he's not hard to hurt he's hard to put down because of his healing factor. All of the breaks I did however are things people do to themselves all day. I don't know if breaking Superman or Superboy's wrist is an option because they never come up against people who would try that. We know their skin is super tough (and most people have agreed they have some sort of magic aura that extends to anything they are touching) but how that effects a wrist lock is ??? territory.