Young Justice/Teen Titans (OOC)

[The Jeffinator]

I wonder how Flash's prisoners at STAR Labs eat or shower or take a shit or change clothes? It seems their tiny cells have no bathrooms or anything, lol.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Off screen and to the point of exhaustion. Also one was killed.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Even though a lot of fiction pisses me off with their lack of scientific accuracy and their inability to do their homework and get the shit as close to true as possible, I still watch it. But I have no control over the writers' rooms of these shows, though at least with RPs and fanfiction, I have a voice and can try and steer the story away from the mistakes I've seen so many times in comics, television, and film. Sometimes I wonder why I'm the one sitting at home with no career in writing when I am criticizing all these writers who went to college and have years of experience. All that, and I'm sitting at home catching shit that they missed or just didn't care about? Lol.

If people want realism, there's real life. And that kind of sucks, dude, I'm not gonna lie.

Some people want fiction to escape, to get away for awhile, to swing by that second star on the right if only 'till morning.

I know that's why I like fiction. And that's why I write it.

I realize that a certain quantity of disregard for reality will cause disconnect even in the most of men, and make them unable to suspend their disbelief. But there's a place for things in which the rules get fuzzy, if only so people believe that the good guys can win once in a while, and hold out hope for their own victories.

 

[The Jeffinator]

For me, its not just about scientific accuracy. I get pissed at shows and movies if they make plot holes and are inconsistent in their continuity. I love the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but I hate that everyone in the galaxy knows English, and I hate that in a flashback to 15 years ago in Agents of SHIELD, they were already calling it by that acronym, but in Iron Man, Coulson didn't abbreviate it until the end of the movie, making it sound like the agency was fairly new and they just started shortening it to SHIELD.

This is something the writers should have been smart enough to catch.

 

[ChasNicollette]

Well, like Grant Ward observed, someone really did want those initials to spell "SHIELD."

I'm thinking that someone was Howard Stark, possibly an even bigger fan of Captain America than Phil Coulson himself.

I'm pretty sure reciting the name was just set-up for the acronym from a comic/dramatic (dramedic?) timing standpoint, not necessarily a continuity one.

 

[Lily_Wight]

For me, its not just about scientific accuracy. I get pissed at shows and movies if they make plot holes and are inconsistent in their continuity. I love the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but I hate that everyone in the galaxy knows English, and I hate that in a flashback to 15 years ago in Agents of SHIELD, they were already calling it by that acronym, but in Iron Man, Coulson didn't abbreviate it until the end of the movie, making it sound like the agency was fairly new and they just started shortening it to SHIELD.

This is something the writers should have been smart enough to catch.

For all we know, the people in guardians are speaking galactic basic, and not English. The only thing from earth for sure in English is his Walkman and no one who listens to it sings along but him.

Gamora even mentions just the melody when she hears it, and not the lyrics.

It is a common movie trope for the language to be ignored if everyone knows the same language. Remember the Hunt for Red October?

As for shield, it's more important to have the 15 years of back story for shield than it is to back up a throw away joke from before the MCU was fully formed.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well, like Grant Ward observed, someone really did want those initials to spell "SHIELD."

I'm thinking that someone was Howard Stark, possibly an even bigger fan of Captain America than Phil Coulson himself.

I'm pretty sure reciting the name was just set-up for the acronym from a comic/dramatic (dramedic?) timing standpoint, not necessarily a continuity one.

I think that might be one of the greatest lines in history.

Watching Justice League: War.

Cyborg: They're terraforming the earth,
Batman: That fits.
Lantern: How do you figure
Batman: For one thing the water's on fire.

Seriously, can't make this up.

 

[The Jeffinator]

In Iron Man, both Pepper and Tony tell Coulson they need a new name for the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division, to which he replies "we're working on it," and then "we get that a lot." Then at the end he says, "Just call us SHIELD." When he first greets Pepper, he makes it seem like they are a new agency, just recently assembled. Granted, they didn't know yet what they were gonna do with the MCU, but they should have done it in a way that stayed true to continuity.

And the reason it seems everyone in the galaxy speaks English is because the Asgardians speak English with the Earth characters and also speak it with the Collector. It seems we have plenty of languages on Earth, but beyond it the only main two languages are English and Dark Elvish/whatever its called. When Thor first falls to Earth, he should speak in Old Norse, and then if he switches over to English, he should have some variation of a Scandinavian accent. I find it funny that they influenced Norse mythology, but their actual spoken names are the same as the English transliterations of the Scandinavian names, lol. In a deleted line from Thor, Jane Foster's friend -- I forget her name -- asks one of the Asgardians how they can speak their language, to which he responds, "We're not speakin yer language -- yer speakin ours!"

And just for the record, its impossible to terraform Earth -- "Terra" forming means to "reform to make like Earth." You could terraform Mars or another planet to make it more like Earth, but if you change the Earth to make it no longer Earth-like, then it is the exact opposite of terraforming.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think it's fair to claim that terraform means "make hospitable" and can be used for anybody. I mean we use the same word for ground and dirt as we do our planet.

 

[The Jeffinator]

But I mean the origin of the term was to make other planets Earth-like. Terra means Earth in either Greek or Latin, I forget which, lol.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Okay, it is Latin. Also, here's the wiki page on terraforming or "Earth-shaping."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming

 

[Sean Renaud]

True, but the number of planets known to support life currently is one. So the word is roughly translates as "make life Earth." But once we start living on Titan and shit we'll likely still call it Terraforming.

 

[The Jeffinator]

Well yes, making any planet or moon Earth-like or habitable for Earth-like life is terraforming. But an alien species making Earth deliberately un-Earth-like is not terraforming, though it is planetary engineering.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But we don't have a word for that, or even a common phrase. Though Planetary Engineering works but you couldn't say that some someone and expect them to know what you meant.

 

[The Jeffinator]

A longer way to say it would be, "Oh no! They're altering the physical properties of Earth to undo the natural terraforming!" LOL.

If one didn't want to use the term "planetary engineering," they could always just say "restructuring the biosphere." Or one character could say terraforming and another could correct him, after which the first one says, "who cares? No matter what you call it, it means we're dead meat!"

 

[The Jeffinator]

I could picture that as a back and forth between Cisco and Joe on Flash, lol.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I could picture that as a back and forth between Cisco and Joe on Flash, lol.

Can't you though? With Cisco attempting to use the proper terms and Joe eventually just saying, can we cut to the part where this is bad and must be stopped?

Also as for how the guys in Star labs eat and stuff. . .well other than the gas guy I imagine Flash can stop them under controlled circumstances. Better question is/was how do those guys Arrow locks away even not starve. But apparently he has guards. . .which raises a whole new list of questions.

 

[Remec]

And just for the record, its impossible to terraform Earth -- "Terra" forming means to "reform to make like Earth." You could terraform Mars or another planet to make it more like Earth, but if you change the Earth to make it no longer Earth-like, then it is the exact opposite of terraforming.

'Terraforming' means 'earth-forming', it simply means to reshape geology. Even something as simple as reclaiming wetlands for a new housing development is a type of terraforming.

 

[Remec]

I enjoy reading about her as well . If you can tolerate my OCD, I can tolerate your anxiety . This last episode of Flash really set me off. Especially when Stein and Ronnie separated and Stein suddenly had his glasses from 14 months ago. I literally yelled at the TV, "What the fuck was that?!" And then when their brain wave sync allowed Ronnie to carve his arm and the scars to appear on Stein... This show is getting very difficult to watch, lol.

How is him having glasses he was wearing any different than both of them being clothed? The non-biological items were absorbed into the Firestorm matrix, why would it be implausible for them to be kicked back out in the same vein? Esp when we're discussing something that's inherently implausible and impossible to begin with.

 

[The Jeffinator]

How is him having glasses he was wearing any different than both of them being clothed? The non-biological items were absorbed into the Firestorm matrix, why would it be implausible for them to be kicked back out in the same vein? Esp when we're discussing something that's inherently implausible and impossible to begin with.

LOL. Good point.

 

[ChasNicollette]

'Terraforming' means 'earth-forming', it simply means to reshape geology. Even something as simple as reclaiming wetlands for a new housing development is a type of terraforming.

Technically, Jeff is right.

"Terraforming" is to make things "like Earth."

"Areoforming" is to make things "like Mars."

In the same sense that "geography" only refers to mapping Earth, and areography would be mapping Mars, et cetera. When that big machine was messing up Earth in "Man of Steel," they were kryptoforming Earth.

But that doesn't mean that "terraforming" isn't quick and effective and easily-recognizable shorthand for the process of remaking a world that the audience can easily grasp. If he'd said "Apokoliptioforming Earth," then people would have just stared at him and you'd need an additional line of dialogue to explain what the frack that meant. Sometimes less is just more.

 

[ChasNicollette]

In Iron Man, both Pepper and Tony tell Coulson they need a new name for the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division, to which he replies "we're working on it," and then "we get that a lot." Then at the end he says, "Just call us SHIELD." When he first greets Pepper, he makes it seem like they are a new agency, just recently assembled. Granted, they didn't know yet what they were gonna do with the MCU, but they should have done it in a way that stayed true to continuity.

Sometimes continuity takes a backseat to good storytelling.

But I think it's more like SHIELD was a secret up to that point rather than being new, and Coulson's replies were more the product of his flawlessly ironic deadpan delivery. They were just Phil being Phil.

And the reason it seems everyone in the galaxy speaks English is because the Asgardians speak English with the Earth characters and also speak it with the Collector. It seems we have plenty of languages on Earth, but beyond it the only main two languages are English and Dark Elvish/whatever its called. When Thor first falls to Earth, he should speak in Old Norse, and then if he switches over to English, he should have some variation of a Scandinavian accent. I find it funny that they influenced Norse mythology, but their actual spoken names are the same as the English transliterations of the Scandinavian names, lol. In a deleted line from Thor, Jane Foster's friend -- I forget her name -- asks one of the Asgardians how they can speak their language, to which he responds, "We're not speakin yer language -- yer speakin ours!"

Translator. Microbes.

One of the things that Thor said when he was speaking English was that he came from a place where Science and Magic were one and the same-- sufficiently advanced technology that was indistinguishable from magic. Is it so outlandish to consider that they wouldn't have some kind of realtime autotranslation technology?

Then, hence, Earthlings would be speaking Aesirish and Asgardians would be speaking English.

Hell, River Song once said that she and The Doctor had a picnic on Asgard, once, maybe The TARDIS left some of its translation field behind. XP

 

[The Jeffinator]

Can't you though? With Cisco attempting to use the proper terms and Joe eventually just saying, can we cut to the part where this is bad and must be stopped?

Also as for how the guys in Star labs eat and stuff. . .well other than the gas guy I imagine Flash can stop them under controlled circumstances. Better question is/was how do those guys Arrow locks away even not starve. But apparently he has guards. . .which raises a whole new list of questions.

Shawna could teleport away. It just seems like they sit in these tiny cells indefinitely... is that even legal? Isn't it false imprisonment? LOL. Slade I understand because his prison is controlled by a government agency. I assume maybe there is a kitchen somewhere in the prison and the guards probably feed him.

'Terraforming' means 'earth-forming', it simply means to reshape geology. Even something as simple as reclaiming wetlands for a new housing development is a type of terraforming.

Terraforming is altering the properties of a planet or moon to make it more Earth-like or habitable for Earth-like life.

From nasa.gov:

Terraforming

Transforming a hostile environment into one able to sustain human life; this includes a source of oxygen, water, plant life, and correct air pressure and temperature.

 

[The Jeffinator]

I like the idea of a translator, Chas, I just wish they would actually make reference to one in the MCU, lol. A good translator would be a brain implant that alters your senses slightly so you think you are hearing people talk in your language and seeing their lips form words you know. But then you have problems with words that are combinations of multiple languages. Many English words use variations of Greek and Latin. You also have syllables and sentence structure. I always thought it was weird that the Universal Translator in later Star Trek shows and movies knew when to translate and when not to. Like if Worf is telling Riker a phrase in Klingon, Riker's UT knows not to translate it to English if Worf intends for him to hear it in Klingon.

 

[ChasNicollette]

"Doctor Who" had a bit of fun with this concept as well.

At one point, Madame de Pompadour hears The Doctor say "barbecue," and she gives him a funny look, leaving us to wonder what she heard when he said a French-derived word and The TARDIS was already translating his English into French.

Then, when The Doctor and Donna Noble go to Pompeii and they start using Latin phrases, everyone around them hears English which they mistake for Celtic. It's a pretty hilarious running gag to hear The Doctor utter the phrase "caveat emptor" to mock a villain and have him reply, snarling, "Your Celtic prayers can't save you now!"

Maybe "Star Trek's" universal translators can read intent and filter based on brainwaves? Or maybe you just speak English when you're Klingon to get Klingon to come out. XD