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(1) It's "defence", not "defense".
(2) It's the Ministry of Defence, not the Department.
(3) Whitehall is an address. Plenty of grey civil service jobs in even greyer Government Departments are based there.
Giving tips to the low-paid is not "running a charity"; it's acting like a half-decent human being.
MS - people with your attitude deserve to end up stuck in minimum-wage jobs in which whether someone tips or not makes the difference between whether they can afford to switch the central heating on or not in the evenings.
Just as a matter of Interest MS, what kind of work did you do to pay your way through University?
And on that note, an update. I have an interview for the lofty position of Administration Officer (read: office monkey) with the Department of Defense. Technically, it's just the Civil Service, but I'd be working in Whitehall and so I think it counts as part of the DoD
No biggie.
Yes! Because damn me for thinking people should put in some frakking effort into their jobs! I'll hop back in step with everybody else and pay extra for bad service! Hallefuckinglujah I have seen the light!
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and I add my for my USofA-centric perspective - so sorry for just assuming where you are living...
My point about the grey civil service jobs in Whitehall?
You're saying you have to be impressed above and beyond someone doing their job to consider them worth paying.
Seriously, mate, if you want the job you have to get clued up about how it works. YOU don;t seem toreally undestand what the civil service is or the diffrent between a Govt. Department and a Ministry.
So honestly, you get such shitty service most of the time? Most people I've had in full service joints are doing decently, frankly if they don't I don't think they last long. I don't tip full amount if someone's a yutz, and I don't tip at all if they're ruining the experience for me, but only very rarely have I encountered either of these things.
You're saying you have to be impressed above and beyond someone doing their job to consider them worth paying. At least when you leave home, as they're being paid somewhat in the EU and I still get the impression tip is more optional and less assumed.
My most recent epiphany was to see that not everyone can understand how restrained it was of me to use the term "dickweed."
Well, good luck. If you can't be arsed to do a bit of research and get your facts straight, you may yet end up waiting tables.
Come on, kids. Let's all play nice or leave the sandbox. This is an interesting thread, so far. I don't want to see it die from a feud of differences.
...well, like I'm thread boss or something.![]()
You have my permission to be Thread Boss today. I'll even go get you a fancy hat to wear and everything!

Does he get a whip or a cane to punish hijackers? Huh?![]()
No, this is a non-violent thread. I am, however, going to give him several squares of bubble wrap to hand out to anyone who is stressed out about the hijacking, and ear plugs for those who do not care to listen to the popping.
Well, what's the fun in that?!?
*pouts*
Dude...bubble wrap!!
*blank stare*
Bubble wrap is that stuff used for packaging. You press on the little bubbles, they go "pop" with a really satisfying noise and then you find yourself still sitting there four hours later in a pile of popped wrap. It's like the most addictive thing ever, like coke and heroin and LSD and Coke all blended into one disgusting concoction and pumped straight into your heart