2010 Survivor Off-topic Chat

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by wife2hotblk
I have written several popular, even H stories, that have no sex. They are in a variety of categories including celebrities and novels. Will stories that contain no sex still be allowed in whatever category they apply? From my perspective, this site's name makes its distinctive...literature and erotica. Neither of those terms explicitly requires a sex act. All I want is that we clarify rules so that no one has any stories disqualified this year.

There is a non-erotic category for a reason. Most of the other categories are considered "erotic", so they should have erotic content. A few of those can have non-erotic simply because of the type of category (Letters, How-To, Reviews). Your story is not going to be disqualified for not having erotic content. Any stories reported to me for this "violation" will be forwarded to Laurel. She makes the final decision on whether or not to move it or leave it. Whatever category the story is in at the end of the contest is where it will count for points (*if* it's in the right place on the scorecard).

Plus, a story can be erotic to some people even without sex. A person can parade his or her nakedness in front of somebody or watch somebody parading his or her nakedness. BDSM can involve abuse or dominance with no actual sex. Such stories may not be erotic to most people, but they are to some, which is why we have categories.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

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Originally Posted by wife2hotblk
I have written several popular, even H stories, that have no sex. They are in a variety of categories including celebrities and novels. Will stories that contain no sex still be allowed in whatever category they apply? From my perspective, this site's name makes its distinctive...literature and erotica. Neither of those terms explicitly requires a sex act. All I want is that we clarify rules so that no one has any stories disqualified this year.




Plus, a story can be erotic to some people even without sex. A person can parade his or her nakedness in front of somebody or watch somebody parading his or her nakedness. BDSM can involve abuse or dominance with no actual sex. Such stories may not be erotic to most people, but they are to some, which is why we have categories.

You only have to check my 2007 scorecard to see that I had more than 100 stories moved from categories to the non-erotic category. That one act caused me to lose the Survivor Contest in 2007. Suddenly, now, stories that are devoid of sex are considered erotic.

What a difference 3 years makes depending, of course, on who writes the stories.

Suddenly, stories that have no or little sex are suddenly okay. When Lauren posted on the board constantly how my stories had little or no sex, suddenly, those who post stories with little or no sex are not deemed non-erotic but...erotica and are okay to post in other categories.

What a joke this contest has become. It is obvious that I have been cheated out of winning this contest by the change in definition of what should be posted in a category.

Now, if I had written the stories that Bakeboss has written and another author who has 3 stories in the Valentine's Contest, has written, the definition of what constitutes a story worthy of posting to a category would be the same.

Let's make one rule for everyone okay? I'm tired of the rules changing from day to day, week to week, and year to year depending on who it is ahead on points.

Either a story is erotic or it is non-erotic. Lauren has already defined what a story needs to be posted in a category. It needs to have sex and not just a hint of sex. It needs to have a lot of sex. If the story fails to have sex, then it is non-erotic or essay & review. Just as my stories were moved, so shouldn't Bakebosses stories be moved.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[michchick98]

You only have to check my 2007 scorecard to see that I had more than 100 stories moved from categories to the non-erotic category. That one act caused me to lose the Survivor Contest in 2007. Suddenly, now, stories that are devoid of sex are considered erotic.

What a difference 3 years makes depending, of course, on who writes the stories.

Suddenly, stories that have no or little sex are suddenly okay. When Lauren posted on the board constantly how my stories had little or no sex, suddenly, those who post stories with little or no sex are not deemed non-erotic but...erotica and are okay to post in other categories.

What a joke this contest has become. It is obvious that I have been cheated out of winning this contest by the change in definition of what should be posted in a category.

Now, if I had written the stories that Bakeboss has written and another author who has 3 stories in the Valentine's Contest, has written, the definition of what constitutes a story worthy of posting to a category would be the same.

Let's make one rule for everyone okay? I'm tired of the rules changing from day to day, week to week, and year to year depending on who it is ahead on points.

Either a story is erotic or it is non-erotic. Lauren has already defined what a story needs to be posted in a category. It needs to have sex and not just a hint of sex. It needs to have a lot of sex. If the story fails to have sex, then it is non-erotic or essay & review. Just as my stories were moved, so shouldn't Bakebosses stories be moved.

First off, Freddie, I'm not here to read more of your insults towards me, I'm not here to insult you either.

That being said, I have a few questions for you and I'd like you to answer them without hurling insults at anyone. Just honest, straightforward answers.

1) You've said many times this year and in years past that you don't care if you win. If that's so, then why go on and on about being cheated out of winning?

2) You said, just a few days ago, that you weren't participating in Survivor this year. If that's so, then why worry about the rules?

3) If you have a problem with what's going on with the Survivor contest and the moderators of the contest, why don't you ever send a PM to Laurel with your concerns instead of spouting off about how unfair things are?

I'm asking these questions for my own curiosity, really. I put our past disputes behind us, and I even wished you luck in this year's contest. I still have the PM to prove it, although even though it's from myself, I don't think I can post it here.

It seems to me that your grievances about the contest, rules and moderators are genuine. The insults you hurl are merely your frustration in no one taking you seriously. I know, you want to write, you write everyday and you've become a better writer everyday...I get all that, really I do. What I don't get is why you can't take your issues up with the site administrators?

If you are participating in the Survivor contest, then I wish you luck this year. If not, then I'd say your arguments are for nothing since you're not a participant and it should be the participants of the contest who have complaints about the rules and moderators.

Have a good night, Freddie.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

1) I can only report stuff, Laurel moves them.
2) I do have a life outside this place, so excuse me if things don't get done as quickly as you want them to.
3) Scores and story entries on scorecards are not official until the contest ends. Therefore, nothing gets disqualified until scores are tabulated once the contest is over.

I would think that if a story is posted in Literotica to a certain category, it has already been "approved by management" for that category. I don't list my story on my scorecard until it is up on the site. Why would you turn around at the end of the year and disqualify it? This doesn't help the author to know what type of story to write next and which slots have to be filled in on their scorecard. Waiting until the contest is over is the wrong time to be checking categories, IMO.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

First off, Freddie, I'm not here to read more of your insults towards me, I'm not here to insult you either.

That being said, I have a few questions for you and I'd like you to answer them without hurling insults at anyone. Just honest, straightforward answers.

1) You've said many times this year and in years past that you don't care if you win. If that's so, then why go on and on about being cheated out of winning?

2) You said, just a few days ago, that you weren't participating in Survivor this year. If that's so, then why worry about the rules?

3) If you have a problem with what's going on with the Survivor contest and the moderators of the contest, why don't you ever send a PM to Laurel with your concerns instead of spouting off about how unfair things are?

I'm asking these questions for my own curiosity, really. I put our past disputes behind us, and I even wished you luck in this year's contest. I still have the PM to prove it, although even though it's from myself, I don't think I can post it here.

It seems to me that your grievances about the contest, rules and moderators are genuine. The insults you hurl are merely your frustration in no one taking you seriously. I know, you want to write, you write everyday and you've become a better writer everyday...I get all that, really I do. What I don't get is why you can't take your issues up with the site administrators?

If you are participating in the Survivor contest, then I wish you luck this year. If not, then I'd say your arguments are for nothing since you're not a participant and it should be the participants of the contest who have complaints about the rules and moderators.

Have a good night, Freddie.

Ah, but I have sent Laurel PM's numerous times. She defers to the Survivor moderators. Laurel says, other than the prize money, she has nothing to do with the Surivor contest.

Seriously, I didn't and I still don't care if I win a contest around here. I give the money away anyway. Only, I don't like being cheated. I don't like having rules that are different rules for me. Either have rules for all or don't have rules. Let's just have a free for all. Everyone write stories. That's the real Survivor, not all this other bullshit.

If the story is accepted and posted by Literotica, it is good enough for the Survivor Contest. If Laurel puts a story in a category, whether it is a chapter story or a story devoid of sex, then that story should be good enough to post to your scorecard.

This bullshit of disqualifying stories after the contest is over and when you have no recourse to fix or to change something that is prohibited by Survivor rules, rules that are not consistent and that change, is just not fair.

Now we have writers writing stories that are less than one thousand words and that are devoid of any sexual content. The stories are being posted in categories for points. That's not fair, especially since my stories were targeted in 2007 and in 2008. Lauren made a point of posting against me time and again in 2007 and 2008. Yet, other writers are free to post whatever wherever.

I'm all for rules but they should be the same rules for everyone.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[YoursSINSerely]

If you don't like the rules then don't play. Go somewhere else. Do something else.
I am at the point where you should be banned for being so negative about this site. It really doesn't help anyone out.

Wow! Are you in charge of banning people. I thought you were just one of the authors's here. I have so much to learn.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

If you don't like the rules then don't play. Go somewhere else. Do something else.
I am at the point where you should be banned for being so negative about this site. It really doesn't help anyone out.

I rest my case. Truly, you have earned your name, PrincessAirHead.

Tell me, besides grazing on junk food, how do you make it through your day (lol).

It must hurt your head to think.

 

[michchick98]

Seriously, I didn't and I still don't care if I win a contest around here. I give the money away anyway. Only, I don't like being cheated. I don't like having rules that are different rules for me. Either have rules for all or don't have rules. Let's just have a free for all. Everyone write stories. That's the real Survivor, not all this other bullshit.

Again, if you're not concerned with winning, why bother bitching about the rules? Will all the complaing you've done, things haven't changed. You still feel you're being cheated based on your interpretation of the rules. The moderators feel you're being treated just as everyone else. It's going to be an endless argument, one which neither side will ever win, so why bother any longer?

If the story is accepted and posted by Literotica, it is good enough for the Survivor Contest. If Laurel puts a story in a category, whether it is a chapter story or a story devoid of sex, then that story should be good enough to post to your scorecard.

This bullshit of disqualifying stories after the contest is over and when you have no recourse to fix or to change something that is prohibited by Survivor rules, rules that are not consistent and that change, is just not fair.

I haven't ever participated in the Survivor contest and I probably won't. I like my multi-chapter stories too much and I don't have enough time to write the quantity of stories needed to even get close to the top 20 spots. If Laurel or the moderators feel the stories are in the wrong categories, then they have the right to move them.

The 2007, 2008 and 2008 Survivor contests are over and done with. The 2010 has just started. There are 11 months to deal with the issues you have IF you're participating.

Perhaps you (and all other Survivor participants) should review their list of stories every so often throughout the year and discuss with the moderators things that may end up getting disqualified for whatever reason(s). This way, it gives people a chance to fix what's wrong and give them better odds of placing higher in the contest.

Instead, all anyone sees is bitching and whining about how unfair things are toward you. Read the rules again. If you're unsure of something, send a PM to the moderators and ask, don't wait until the last minute.

Now we have writers writing stories that are less than one thousand words and that are devoid of any sexual content. The stories are being posted in categories for points. That's not fair, especially since my stories were targeted in 2007 and in 2008. Lauren made a point of posting against me time and again in 2007 and 2008. Yet, other writers are free to post whatever wherever.

I'm all for rules but they should be the same rules for everyone.

What's with your obsession with 750 word stories? That's the minimum amount to qualify for a Survivor entry as well as Lit submission (with the exception of Novels and Novellas if I've read past rules correctly)

If you want to write longer stories, so be it. But don't piss and moan about everyone else writing shorter stories just to get the points. Isn't the idea to write in as many categories as possible? It's about quantity. So what if your story is longer? Does that mean it should get more points? Survivor isn't based on number of words, number of votes or anything other than how many stories can be posted in the varying categories.

And again, why bring up past contests? They're long over and done with. It's 2010 Freddie. You asked for a truce between us, how about you do the same with the Survivor participants and moderators? The arguments you're presenting have gone on long enough. Things won't change. If you don't like it, don't participate, simple as that. But if you don't participate, stop bitching about the rules.

Have a good day.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

And what vested interest do you have in any of this, Michchick, except for the fact that you cannot mind your own businesss when it comes to me?

You say you want a truce, but here you are stirring up shit between us and are back in my face.

Listen, this contest is a joke. It's rigged against me. It's fixed in favor of others.

I would not have brought up prior years if they didn't start doing more shit this year. Here we go again.

They did not allow any of my stories to post to categories, unless they arbitrarily decided there was sufficent sex. Now, they are allowing stories to post in categories that have no sex, none, not even a hint of sex.

Then, we have Boxlicker, of all people, talking about erotica. When I was posting stories, he was talking and complaining about sex and that there wasn't enough of it in my stories. How times have changed depending on who is writing the story.

All I know is that I've been reading, instead of writing, the new stories and too many stories do not fulfill the requirement of the categories. So, now what? Are moderators going to wait until the end of the year and then cursory read 1,000 stories or are they going to get together with Laurel and do something about it now.

The way it was handled last year was wrong, disqualifying stories after the contest ended. How is one able to fix what isn't excepted, we can't. How is that a fair contest, when some stories are disqualified and others are not? It's not a fair contest.

My comment about the 1,000 word story wasn't so much about the length as it was about the content and the content not having sex. You knew that, Michchick, yet, you didn't mention that part of my comment. You only concentrated on the length part of it.

So, I ask you, if you aren't one of the participants, why are you so intent on responding? I'll tell you why. It's because it is me who is complaining and you cannot leave me alone. I wish you would.

You want a truce, don't respond to any of my posts and I won't respond to any of your posts. How's that for a truce?

In the meantime, I think the moderators should do something about writers posting non-sexual stories in sexual catergories before the contest blows up in their faces on January 2, 2011.

 

[michchick98]

So, I ask you, if you aren't one of the participants, why are you so intent on responding? I'll tell you why. It's because it is me who is complaining and you cannot leave me alone. I wish you would.

And if I recall, you've said you're not participating this year either, so why bring it up at all? That's my whole point.

You want a truce, don't respond to any of my posts and I won't respond to any of your posts. How's that for a truce?

This will be my last reply to you, Freddie, because you are tap dancing around the issue. The bottom line, you've said you're not participating, so you telling me to mind my own business is moot since you're not a participant THIS year yourself, or so you've said. Pot, meet kettle.

In the meantime, I think the moderators should do something about writers posting non-sexual stories in sexual catergories before the contest blows up in their faces on January 2, 2011.

As I said, both the participants and the moderators should check things throughout the year, not just the last few weeks or days to give everyone a fair chance. Seems to me that would work out in EVERYONE'S benefit.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

fuck me, the same old bollocks, eh?

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

And if I recall, you've said you're not participating this year either, so why bring it up at all? That's my whole point.



This will be my last reply to you, Freddie, because you are tap dancing around the issue. The bottom line, you've said you're not participating, so you telling me to mind my own business is moot since you're not a participant THIS year yourself, or so you've said. Pot, meet kettle.



As I said, both the participants and the moderators should check things throughout the year, not just the last few weeks or days to give everyone a fair chance. Seems to me that would work out in EVERYONE'S benefit.

Ah, but I plan on participating this year and as BOSTONFICTIONWRITER. Under the rules I have until October to join. In the meantime, I plan on writing stories, hundreds of stories. I plan on winning this year. Thank you so much for your support in not responding to me ever again for the rest of your life.

Have a nice life.

 

[CrimsonMaiden]

As I said, both the participants and the moderators should check things throughout the year, not just the last few weeks or days to give everyone a fair chance. Seems to me that would work out in EVERYONE'S benefit.

Just a little comment on this one:

As far as chapters go, the rule was in effect for the entire year. If anyone was worried about whether a story would be counted as a chapter, they could have asked.

Lauren and I are moderators not babysitters. The rules are listed for all to see. It's the participants responsibility to abide by the rules. If you have a question about a rule or how a rule would affect a certain story, then ask. Otherwise, it will be judged according the rules at the end of the year.

About category placement, most of the time the story is going to go where the author places it. I'm fairly certain whoever approves and places the stories do not have time to read each and every story that is submitted. I've heard some of the old-timers (people who have been here since the beginning) mention software that looks for keywords (like for underage and other stuff) that signify issues and flags to the approvers for them to give a story a second look before approval, but I don't know if it's true. All I do know is that stories quite often get posted in wrong categories, and stories with underage sex and sex with animals do sometimes get by the approvers and make it onto the site. So no, just because Laurel or whoever allows the story to go where the author places it upon approval, that does not necessarily mean it belongs there.

Lauren and I will post repeated reminders throughout the year about problems if we see or know of someone doing that. This gives that person time to fix said issue if they wish to do so. But we don't always receive complaints until the very end of the contest.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[PrincessErin]

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[Sean Renaud]

In defence of BFW I can agree that it's not about winning or losing but feeling cheated sucks regardless. Since most of the stories end up where they belong and often when they don't I can agree with where the story was placed I don't care. I think the chapter rule was misapplied and should be revisted in the future. Also doesn't anybody know better than to feed the trolls?

Since this is the off topic chat I have an off topic question. Does anybody know how to pull a story off Lit once it's been posted. I have a few that got double posted and I'd like to deal with them while I remember which ones they are and can find them with little effort.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by BOSTONFICTIONWRITER
Ah, but I plan on participating this year and as BOSTONFICTIONWRITER. Under the rules I have until October to join. In the meantime, I plan on writing stories, hundreds of stories. I plan on winning this year. Thank you so much for your support in not responding to me ever again for the rest of your life.

Have a nice life.

What do you mean as under BFW - what else would you write under? I thought using an alt was against your beliefs

Last year, he wrote under the name Positive Thinker, and finished sixth after many stories were disallowed.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

Bakeboss is cheating

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

All you Survivor Contestants are being fucked over by Bakeboss's stories. Have any of you read her latest romantic story? Have you read some of her other stories for 2010?

Maybe, I missed it, but if that story belongs in Romance than the categories need to be more defined. If you ask me, most of what this woman is writing are non-erotic stories.

I've complained about all that I've read for 2010 of her work, yet, I haven't seen one of her stories, not one, moved from any of the categories.

Tell me, what does it take to have a fair contest around here?

I guess, it depends on who is writing the story. I guess, the powers in charge have already designated the winner of the Survivor Contest for 2010 by allowing Bakeboss to write the shortest, shittiest story that are totally non-erotic and totally devoid of any sexual content.

It doesn't seem fair does it? Tell me, the rest of you people, why even bother competing in this contest when in the end, on January 2, 2011, your stories will be disqualified and Bakeboss will be declared the winner.

Is this what this contest is about? Not writing the most stories and I stress the word stories, but writing the shortest, shittiest sentences and calling it a story? Then, posting that shit of a story in whatever category because no one is checking to see if Bakeboss's stories belong in those categories.

What is going on? What kind of contest is this? Wow. As a prior Survivor participant, I'm embarrassed and the writer who has more of his stories moved from categories to non-erotic and reviews and essays than all contestants combined, I'm appalled.

The rules they applied to my stories and to me do not apply to Bakeboss.

Maybe Bakeboss is a relative of the owner of the site.

I don't know. I give up. If you ask me, it sucks.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The only reason why I was even a little upset with Bakeboss was that when the top four were established in October she was the only one who had obviously been sandbagging. And it's allowed, it's just one of those ugh.

I've been saying that the chapter rule needs revisiting and strict answers. Because the question is to use movies how many stories does Rocky constitute? Is it six (counting the new one?) Is it five because one and two could easily be combined into one movie? Is it one? If so why is it one? We were told that stories could contain the same charachters and could reference previous stories. They simply needed to be capable of standing alone. I.E. if you skipped to the last story it would still make sense.

PS: Thank you BostonFictionWriter.

PPS: That didn't work BFW. When I tried it told me I already had a story named: How to Sstart a Fire please choose another title. The reason I'm trying to pull these is apparently I have two (well four depending on how you count) duplicate stories. And for starters I want to pull them down simple because I don't want them but also before I end up in a pissing contest.

 

[BOSTONFICTIONWRITER]

The only reason why I was even a little upset with Bakeboss was that when the top four were established in October she was the only one who had obviously been sandbagging. And it's allowed, it's just one of those ugh.

I've been saying that the chapter rule needs revisiting and strict answers. Because the question is to use movies how many stories does Rocky constitute? Is it six (counting the new one?) Is it five because one and two could easily be combined into one movie? Is it one? If so why is it one? We were told that stories could contain the same charachters and could reference previous stories. They simply needed to be capable of standing alone. I.E. if you skipped to the last story it would still make sense.

PS: Thank you BostonFictionWriter.

You're welcome Sean Renaud, but there's no reason to thank me. As the Official Survivor Contest Watchdog, I'm just doing my job.

For those Survivor Contestants hoping to have a fair contest and hoping to win a bit of prize money, I suggest you take a read of Bakeboss's stories for 2010.

See if you agree with what I've been writing. If you do agree that her stories are devoid of sexual content and are, indeed, non-erotic stories and do not belong in the categories she has been posting them, then I suggest you report the stories. Perhaps, if enough contestants complain that Bakeboss is cheating, the powers in charge will do something about making this a fairer and better contest for all.

Truly, this could be a wonderful contest and a wonderful site, but there are people, such as Bakeboss who are skirting the rules of fair play and just writing shitty stories of minimal words that do not relate to any categories hoping, no doubt, that she won't get caught, won't be reported, and will win your share of the prize money. I suspect she did the same thing last year.

Good luck in the contest Sean Renaud. You're going to need it. It will be a rocky road if this contest continues in the direction it has sadly taken.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[PrincessErin]

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