A serious discussion about BDSM and weight

[midwestyankee]

That's crappy. It's a recipe for diabetes for one thing, if not more. More babble - they did studies in the 80's in lancet on CD patients - my sweet tooth is no novelty, apparently we find sweet taste up to 100 times what other people find "too sweet" to be pleasant. One of the worst things for us? Refined sugar. It's an interesting thing - the fact that digestive disorders are on the rise along WITH the rise of corn syrup in everything known to man.

My family would chase me around with fruit and real food before letting me have any dessert - that just seems normal to me, I can't imagine not parenting like that.

I was fit while I was a New Yorker in her native land. We really do walk everywhere. There really is nowhere to walk here other than around the lakes. I live in one place where I have a good 1.5 mile hike to the grocery store and I use it to get a backpack of food and go back or a starbucks and back.

The bolded sentence from Netz carries a lot of meaning. The industrialized food chain in the U. S. has substituted the highly inexpensive ingredient of corn syrup for natural sugars in practically every example of processed food. It's even in the [b[whole wheat bread[/b] that I use for my occasional sandwiches! Our bodies simply do not process high fructose corn syrup properly and we're paying a massive (pun intended) price for its use by food manufacturers. And "manufacturers" is the right word, folks.

The upshot, as I see it, is that the presence of high fructose corn syrup in our diets has changed all the rules. All those rules to live by that your mother taught you and that you learned in health class simply don't fit our world. You see the classic basic American breakfast of a bowl of cereal topped by a bit of fresh fruit with a piece of toast and some milk is nowhere near as good for you any more than you might think it is. Without even considering the balance of carbohydrates and proteins in this classic meal, the nature of the manufactured sugars and the processed grains mean that this meal contains as much harm as good.

It's an environmental problem and one of the consequences of the use of high fructose corn syrup is that weight gain is both inevitable and extremely difficult to reverse.

We live in a world that is no longer user-friendly.

ETA: To learn more - much more - about the impact of manufactured foods on American life, I suggest Michael Pollan's book The Omnivore's Dilemma. It's available used for about $10 and contains truths that will both blow your mind.

 

[A Desert Rose]

And you came in when the street lights came on... 'member?

Shit we're old.... yea and that means you too!

Notice how he doesn't come back or respond to this? He just sorta ignores me and my comment?

He has an age fetish and/or phobia, I think. I know this because he's repeatedly snubbed my advances due to the fact that I'm too old for him. I'm outing him on this.

True story. He's told me so.

he knows this is in fun. and if you don't know, i made all this up.

 

[cherokee_dove]

And again - why is it okay to say that an average height woman wearing a size 6/8 is grotesque? Why is it any less offensive than saying a signifigantly overweight person is undesirable?

Thank you, CM; for that post. It brought a good fact to thought.

And that is; that no matter whether we are skinny, average, fat, or obese; whether we are Dom, Domme, sub, slave, or heaven forbid ~shivers~ vanilla;

WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS FIRST, AND WE HAVE FEELINGS

And when someone puts us down because of any of those things, that does take an emotional toll on us.

Those emotions can and do affect one's self esteem, and can help to lead to depression. And thats not good for anyone!

 

[Netzach]

The bolded sentence from Netz carries a lot of meaning. The industrialized food chain in the U. S. has substituted the highly inexpensive ingredient of corn syrup for natural sugars in practically every example of processed food. It's even in the [b[whole wheat bread[/b] that I use for my occasional sandwiches! Our bodies simply do not process high fructose corn syrup properly and we're paying a massive (pun intended) price for its use by food manufacturers. And "manufacturers" is the right word, folks.

The upshot, as I see it, is that the presence of high fructose corn syrup in our diets has changed all the rules. All those rules to live by that your mother taught you and that you learned in health class simply don't fit our world. You see the classic basic American breakfast of a bowl of cereal topped by a bit of fresh fruit with a piece of toast and some milk is nowhere near as good for you any more than you might think it is. Without even considering the balance of carbohydrates and proteins in this classic meal, the nature of the manufactured sugars and the processed grains mean that this meal contains as much harm as good.

It's an environmental problem and one of the consequences of the use of high fructose corn syrup is that weight gain is both inevitable and extremely difficult to reverse.

We live in a world that is no longer user-friendly.

ETA: To learn more - much more - about the impact of manufactured foods on American life, I suggest Michael Pollan's book The Omnivore's Dilemma. It's available used for about $10 and contains truths that will both blow your mind.

Super interesting.

Most people are actually corn and wheat allergic. As in 80-90 percent. We don't know it, don't want to know it, and assign the symptoms to other causes.

But here's where I get wingnut.

 

[cherokee_dove]

Yes it does. I am sorry about your health, and sorry for the hurtful nature of my response there. I do think that addictions aren't generally wrangle-able like that and food addiction is just as real as any other. I watched my stepfather drink himself to death convinced along with my mother that it was "just a little" every night.

If anything this is an example of what I meant though, that there is often more to any story - you don't like being crowded on a plane, how do you know that person isn't Dove's sister?

I don't like screaming children, how do I know they're not autistic?

Thank you, Netz. That just made a small smile come thru the tears that raced down after reading that.

 

[Kajira Callista]

My 2 cents








Never ever standardize an opinion on a subject as vast as this one. It makes things smell bad around here.

 

[midwestyankee]

Super interesting.

Most people are actually corn and wheat allergic. As in 80-90 percent. We don't know it, don't want to know it, and assign the symptoms to other causes.

But here's where I get wingnut.

If being concerned about the wide-ranging impact on our society of the use of manufactured foods makes me a wingnut, then I stand proudly beside you, friend.

 

[Netzach]

If being concerned about the wide-ranging impact on our society of the use of manufactured foods makes me a wingnut, then I stand proudly beside you, friend.

More awesomeness - this sugar soylent green is being foisted off on the rest of the world - result? Crohn's in Asia, previously just about unheard of. In a weird botanical reversal, that soy probably is not helping your gut if your name isn't Yamamoto, and it's inescapable too.

Our farming, importing, and genetic engineering even over centuries outpaces our evolution as digestors with enzymes.

 

[Homburg]

This is something I'm very curious about. Obviously never having been on the giving end, only on the receiving end, I have no experience with that. I've had partners who were almost afraid to go beyond a certain point, even when I've expressed to them that I'm good to go. I've never had someone come out and say outright they didn't think I could take it or handle it, but I've wondered if size may have something to do with that hesitation. Is there a real danger with someone who does have less body mass?

Real danger? Well, I've never played with someone seriously underweight, but have played with very slender gals. A truly underweight person might not have enough soft tissue to soak up the same sort of hits before crush trauma occurs. This would be caused by too little muscle and fat between the skin and bones. Said thin muscle/fat would meet crush trauma much earlier, and not have sufficient mass to disperse force.

An example most people can understand is being slapped across the face. Muscle and fat is usually fairly thin there over very heavy bone (truly obese people, and folks with heavy facial musculature or fat deposits are obvious exceptions). Thus it hurts, stings, and bruises more easily than your ass for example.

Suspension, however, is easier with someone that has less mass. Serious fat deposits become an extra factor to deal with in suspension, as you can get more skin trauma, damage to adipose tissue from rolling, etc. The weight is another factor as well. Tiny little size 0 rope bunnies like Arisue Go uses are a bit easier to string up than a 265lb linebacker. That issue has nothing to do with body composition though and everything to do with pure weight.

I was beginning to think by the responses that my thoughts on this were really far off the mark. I think it's something everyone has an idea on - how much control they expect a Dominant to have over his own life. We're all human. No one has control over everything. No matter how much he may desire it or think he has it. But there are certain aspects I think all Doms desire to have control over that are important to them, and that all subs want their Doms to have control over. Areas that are important to them. And I think that varies from person to person. It was an area that was of some importance to me, but from the responses here, I had the feeling people were saying it was stupid to expect that.

I wrote an article for an online magazine about this. It talked about hygiene, weight, etc and how much that sort of thing affects the appearance of control.

As much as it might offend the sensibilities of some people, if you don't look like you possess the self-control to push away from the feeding trough, how are you going to be able to exercise control over others? And, again, I'm not talking about someone that is overweight or obese or whatever. I'm talking about the really seriously obese people. And if there is a medical issue behind, well, you have my sympathies, but maybe it is time to focus more on self and becoming physically capable of handling another persons safety.

This might offend people, but it is how I feel. I've met doms that I would never allow to, for example, suspend one of my gals. I simply doubt in the person's physical capacity to handle the scene safely. If you are so very fat that you have trouble moving quickly, you should not put someone else in a compromising position that they might need rescuing from. I know I have personally had to move bloody quick in scene before, because something minor went wrong. When one person in the activity is bound up and helpless, you HAVE to be able to react with quickness to a changing situation. When you weight 450lbs, quickness is no longer part of your body's arsenal (well, okay, some professional athletes are the exception to that rule).

Obviously, this thread has you and me in the minority on this one, Homburg.

I'm in the minority on a lot of threads

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You're playing with boys who are bigger than you. Sado whatever, they're still socialized to worry about it in the back of their mind more.

This is the most likely reason behind those statements. I certainly felt that way prior to playing with smaller gals. That said, as addressed above, there are serious physical considerations based on size in both ends of the spectrum.

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I hate the BMI as well. According to that, my daughter is considered to be overweight. She is strong and muscular and has been since the age of about 5. She went through a stage at around age 10 of comparing herself to her friends who were built like delicate little flower fairies. I told her that there wasn't much she could do about her build, but she could focus on her strengths - she could press a bale of wool, handle animals, ride an ATV. She's 20 now and has wonderful self esteem.

My BMI is 23.6. If I weighed what I am "supposed to" for my height and body build, I would look like a scarecrow

*snort* The charts tells me that I should weight 179lbs. That is so utterly ludicrous that it makes me laugh. I dropped down as low as 231lbs a year or so ago, and I was sickly. My head looked huge on top of my skinny neck, my arms were pipe-stems, I had no strength, and got colds and such easily. I'm probably at my overall healthiest around 250-260lbs. I need to get back to that point for overall health and happiness, and will still be considered seriously overweight. Whatever.

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I have a weird suggestion - do you have a "dungeon" gym anywhere? A tough-guy gym?

I used to work out and train with big stinky male weightlifters because I had a social connection to them and the gym and got a price break. I've never been in a LESS judgemental atmosphere in my life, and I say this as a very out of shape person. The cliche of the guy screaming "you fat fuck 25 more, PUSSY!" isn't necessarily all you'll find. The guys were NICE to me and filled with better advice about diet and excercise than anywhere I've been. My pussy was enough of a novelty that my fat ass was "well she's working on it, good for her."

This is so incredibly true. The only downside to gyms like this is that you are generally expected to actually *gasp* work. The nice thing is that you can be sloppy fat and out of shape, but if you come in and honestly bust ass, not only will you better your body composition, you will earn respect. And it doesn't matter how much you lift, how strong you are, or whatever. Most places like this prize one thing and one thing only - intensity.

Fortunately, the environment in a lot of these places is such that the atmosphere alone makes you want to push harder. It's good stuff.

Disclaimer: I'm a big, stinky male weight lifter. My garage is one of these places, so I am definitely biased.

 

[Homburg]

but yes, i would say that the lifestyle's "open arms" policy when it comes to physical appearance is the main reason you may notice so many more significantly larger folks active within the community. those who are truly Dominant or submissive, sado or maso, top or bottom, and just happen to be overweight, know that they will be accepted and welcomed for who they are, not what they look like. and then some who have no lifestyle inclination but happen to be overweight see a place where they can get a foot in the door.

This is something that disturbs me as well. I've not seen a lot of it in my local group, but this one is rather explicit about not being a meat market.

Daddy is VERY fit, he has been for as long as i've known him. He works out religiously 4 days a week, he for the most part eats balanced and healthy meals, he cares very much about not just his physical appearance but his stamina/endurance, strength, and general fitness level. He's 5'11", about 200-205. His body is basically rock hard, at one point he was starting to look like a body builder but when his arthritis started bothering him more he toned down the weight lifting somewhat and now he still looks awesome, just less scary, lol. He has that ideal "V" shape, which comes from his highly developed chest and back. He is definitely much more physically sexy and fit than your average 46 yr old.

I remember that pic you posted of him. Damned straight he's in great shape.

now in comparison to him, i'm a fat slob, lol. i've never been able to develop that sort of zealousness about exercise or fitness. but naturally, i'm on the slender side. i'm 5'6", my weight is less than 140, more than 125. i try to avoid thinking of exact numbers as i've had my own issues with weight and eating disorders in the past and just don't want to go down that road.

You need to squelch that noise, osg. You are damned hot.

it's important to my Master that i am physically fit, but also physically appealing to him. maintaining the weight and strength differential between us is very important...he enjoys manhandling me, tossing me and fro.

This is an aspect that really enjoy with MIS as well.

i follow an at-home workout regimen that he developed for me, and while he doesn't strictly control my diet as far as exactly what i eat, he does control the portion. i am allowed just over one-half of what he consumes everyday.

This sounds simplistic to some people, I'm sure, but there's actually a lot of good science behind this. The nutrition structure that I was on previously (when I had the money to buy the ingredients such as organic veggies, pasture raised meats, etc) maintained that women should take the recipes suggested and cut them in half. It was that simple. And it was based on studies and articles and such.

but at my size it takes a great deal of effort me to lose even 2 pounds...still though i am working hard, and hopefully within a couple of months will be at goal weight.

I remember a co-worker whining to me because she'd gained 4lbs, and I just could not comprehend why it would bother her. My weight can fluctuate that much in a day with no problems. Then I sat down and thought about it. She was a teensy little thing, and weighed less than half what I did at the time. 4lbs was actually as ignificant amount of weight for her. And while I can sweat off 4lbs on a serious trail ride, she had to WORK to lose anything. I gave me perspective, and I was a lot more sympathetic towards the poor skinny litte thing.

while of course true for some, it is a myth that simply because a person is smaller that they can take less pain, or because they are larger and have more "padding" they can take more. a former neighbor of ours was very heavy, over 300 lbs, but she was very sensitive to pain and would be in agony if you so much as bumped against her hard. i couldn't fathom her taking a good flogging. and while i'm a pain punk myself, i can take a lot of blunt impact (can take a punch like nobody's business, lol). also i'm a total klutz, and injure myself often in the day-to-day course of life, falling down a flight of stairs or burning myself on the stove, stabbing myself with sharp objects, etc...most of the time i just shake it off and move on. what i have a hard time dealing with pain-wise would be anything sharp or stingy, but that has no relation to body size imo.

Pain tolerance was not what I was talking about, actually. I was thinking more about contusions, intra-muscular bleeding, how much tissue pinch becomes an issue, etc. Given your size and build, for example, I'm surprised to hear how well you take a punch. That is a very uncommon ability with someone built like you. Kudos to you.

 

[Homburg]

More awesomeness - this sugar soylent green is being foisted off on the rest of the world - result? Crohn's in Asia, previously just about unheard of. In a weird botanical reversal, that soy probably is not helping your gut if your name isn't Yamamoto, and it's inescapable too.

Our farming, importing, and genetic engineering even over centuries outpaces our evolution as digestors with enzymes.

This bothers me too. It's like the idea that a carb is not a carb is not a carb. I get totally different physical reactions from rice than I do from pasta. It makes me wonder if it is the Japanese in me being fine with the rice, but regular old pasta is nowhere in my enzymatic descent.

 

[Netzach]

This bothers me too. It's like the idea that a carb is not a carb is not a carb. I get totally different physical reactions from rice than I do from pasta. It makes me wonder if it is the Japanese in me being fine with the rice, but regular old pasta is nowhere in my enzymatic descent.

This is VERY likely - also rice is older by far and "cleaner" by far for most people. You may also find potato "cleaner." Again, it's going to vary person to person and if your gut is going haywire, throwing them all out for a while can be beneficial.

A friend with CD went to an Eastern doctor and was told to quit all the rice and bread, it was too "damp."

She and I have both lucked out with pretty good remissions after total dietary overhaul. Our CD was both terminal ileum though, so who knows what, really. I just find it interesting. Both of us went the same amount up the medication ladder and had very similar profiles so far. We both even returned to some crappy eating and have maintained remission in spite of it. I don't want to bank on that forever though, so I've been watching it again.

I got the same advice from Westerners outside the MD box in different packaging. There's a lot of sense which challenges the large industries based on sickness. That won't do, so we have no regulatory body for them and say "well they're not regulated so they're all quacks."

Obesity kind of fuels the sick industry, doesn't it? Hm.

 

[graceanne]

Did I miss something? Bad parent theories?

Someone mentioned how their kids are skinny and you just gotta make sure to feed them right, yadda yadda yadda. I can read between the lines. The only reason someone would bring that up, in a discussion about weight, is cause they're on the 'i'm a better parent than you' pedestal. I wouldn't be surprised if they're also the kind who is a better parent cause they breast fed.

 

[BiBunny]

I am now convinced that what MWY said about thin being the new morality is totally true.

Well, fuck you very much. If I'm fat only because I'm lazy and eat too much and have no willpower, then you're an asshole because, while beauty's only skin deep, ugly goes straight to the bone.

I invite everyone who believes fat is some kind of disease or moral failing to come hang out with me on the farm during a hot Alabama summer. I may be a fatass, but let's see who gives first. "I work out so I can make fun of fat people" muscle is a lot different from "I actually do useful shit" muscle.

And now I'm going to stop before I get on a roll.

 

[FurryFury]

Someone mentioned how their kids are skinny and you just gotta make sure to feed them right, yadda yadda yadda. I can read between the lines. The only reason someone would bring that up, in a discussion about weight, is cause they're on the 'i'm a better parent than you' pedestal. I wouldn't be surprised if they're also the kind who is a better parent cause they breast fed.

Well I have to say, my kids are one reason why I don't judge others. I did breast feed both. Fed them the same things. I'm a vegetarian but my husband's not so they got both soy products and meat.

One of the kids is pretty thin and can't gain weight like I was at his age but my daughter who has also gone veggie a couple of years ago (not my idea) happens to be what I like to call big boned.

She exercises. She eats right. She still weighs more than the rest of us, other than my husband. She may well weigh more than him one day.

Granted she lost this summer. Everyone else in our family did but me.

Still I have to think she has some sort of predisposition to being a bit bigger. I know it's not due to lifestyle or what she does or does not eat. This is why I more than ever, don't judge others.

Happily I've always taught both of my kids to love and appreciate their bodies. They are NOT as self conscious as I am. My parents wanted me to perfect 24 / 7. That didn't work out well at all.

 

[Homburg]

This is VERY likely - also rice is older by far and "cleaner" by far for most people. You may also find potato "cleaner." Again, it's going to vary person to person and if your gut is going haywire, throwing them all out for a while can be beneficial.

I tossed them utterly for a while. I enjoy potatoes, but can live without them. Rice, on the other hand, is my clown. I feel like I'm betraying myself if I don't have some, and I generally feel better afterwards, whereas pasta, breads, and too much potatoes can give me carb crash, bloating, and unhappiness.

Bread is more about convenience for me. I drive a lot, and eating with utensils is tough while driving. So bread becomes utilitarian.

I got the same advice from Westerners outside the MD box in different packaging. There's a lot of sense which challenges the large industries based on sickness. That won't do, so we have no regulatory body for them and say "well they're not regulated so they're all quacks."

Obesity kind of fuels the sick industry, doesn't it? Hm.

I've been saying this for a while. The medical industry does not want to heal you. The medical industry just wants you to feel better. This is why so much of modern medicine is all about treating the symptoms, not the root cause.

And, yeah, obesity does provde grist for that particular mill.

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Someone mentioned how their kids are skinny and you just gotta make sure to feed them right, yadda yadda yadda. I can read between the lines. The only reason someone would bring that up, in a discussion about weight, is cause they're on the 'i'm a better parent than you' pedestal. I wouldn't be surprised if they're also the kind who is a better parent cause they breast fed.

My three oldest are normal kids. My oldest son enjoys soccer and plays on the computer as much as possible. But between his mother's genetics and mine, the boy has the body of a swimmer already. And he loves the water. If he developes lats like his momma, he'll be a fish. My daughters are your normal girls. Oldest daughter is a hugely picky eater with a small appetite generally. She gets overwhelmed by flavours. I think she will not have too much problems with weight as she ages. Youngest son is built like me. At three years old he is solid muscle, and heavy enough that some of viv's friends can't pick him up. Other than the slight remnants of baby fat on him, he's all muscle though. If he developes like me, he'll be a brute. Oddly enough, he's a pretty picky eater too.

So viv and I may be overweight, but nothing says our kids have to be.

 

[Netzach]

I know obesity on kids is on the rise, but honestly, I dunno. I know that my freshman 15 became the freshman 25, then 40 as my lifestyle suburbanized. THAT's when it gets tough, when those who normally can eat whatever suddenly can't without gain.

 

[xPinkxStarsx]

I am overweight and I have never had an issue keeping up sexually with someone that is more active than myself and in better health standards. I'm 5'2 also but a size 18/20 in bottoms and about a 14/16 in tops depending on the material and I see no issue with keeping up with people or feeling run down ever really. Away from the bdsm scene I am also on my feet all day working in a salon and I hardly ever have a chance to sit. I feel 100% comfortable being partially nude in public and haven't had the chance to be completely. I haven't been to any munches or such but I do attend Rocky Horror frequently dressed in a corset, panties and fishnets and I feel so comfortable in that.

 

[nh23]

I highlighted that section of IS's post but I agree, her stance is very combative.

Kids are getting less phys ed here too and things like climbing frames are disappearing from school yards because of the health and safety gestapo. It's not easy I know. Schools do suck a lot of the time and I hated phys ed as a kid, even though now I see it was a necessary evil.

Schools only ever do so much though, even the good ones. If a kid is becoming grossly over-weight then the ultimate responsibility lies with the parent/guardian/s to address that. People complain about sex ed in schools, whether it be that there is too much or not enough of it. The onus still lies with the parent though, to make sure their child is educated enough to make informed choices about when they should start being sexually active and so on.

Over here we also have a lot of groups like Girl Guides, Scouts and so on where kids can go and do more active things. It's just a question of good parenting. If your kid is diabetic, you don't feed them Mars bars (unless they're very hypo) and if your kid is gaining too much weight, either their diet must change or their level of activity must increase, assuming no other contributory medical factors - which is also the responsibility of a parent to investigate.

I'm going to make an assumption...maybe wrong. You don't have children do you? My kids are thin, most likely a huge factor in that is that they both have ADHD. I can't really take all the credit for them being thin, because sometimes they don't eat like they should. I try, but sometimes it's just not reality. The reason I say that I'm assuming you're not a parent is because before we have children we have this perfect idea of what kind of parents we will be. Oh we'll do this and that. Do everything just right and perfect. The BOOM. The minute you pop that kid out everything changes. I never expected my kids to be the way they are. They was no way to prepare for it, and you do the best you can and hope to god you're not fucking them up.

My mom has always been thin. She's obsessive about her weight at times. Freaks if she's over 110 lbs or so. Growing up she monitored everything I ate. Even as a teenager I had to ask permission before I could get something to eat. She never bought sweets, and cooked mostly healthy meals. What did it get her? LOL. I'm still fat. I'm not a glutton, I am not lazy. I eat the best I can. I work my ass off as the sole income for my family of four right now. I also do every bit of housework after my 12 hour shifts..after I come home and cook dinner. Everything isn't as cut and dried as it seems..

 

[Etoile]

My kids are thin, most likely a huge factor in that is that they both have ADHD.

Can I ask why you make this statement? I have had ADHD my whole life, but I've never been especially active in a keeping-thin way. I'm just curious what link you see between thinness and ADHD.

 

[Etoile]

I'm going to do a serijules (lol) and babble...

Back in the dark, dark ages, before the computer and wikipedia, but after the printing press, when I was in high school...

We had to actually go to a LIBRARY and look in BOOKS and ENCYCLOPEDIAS and TAKE NOTES with PAPER and PENCIL in order to write an essay, on a typewriter or in long hand (if you don't know what either of those 2 terms are then don't bother to read on) on some ancient and what we thought was an unneccessary topic that would never help us in the 'real world' of adult life, by teachers who we thought were totally clueless about what we really needed to know in the 'real world' of adult life.

Now high school students go to wiki or google, copy, paste, rewrite or paraphrase it a bit, put their name on it, print it out and turn it in.

I think there's a lot of learning and retaining that goes into actually looking it up, reading it, taking notes and then writing it again in formal form. But that's just me.

Excerise your brain for a change.

I admit I haven't used the public library for research in a long time - since middle or high school probably, though I did use it back in those days. (I graduated HS in 1997, so the internet wasn't really useful as a tool for research quite yet.) These days I don't go to the public library at all because, well, frankly the one near me sucks. Now that I'm back in college, I do use the campus library on occasion.

One thing I never do, though, is write in my books. Ever. I sell my books back through the internet and I tend to get good money for them because they're never written in. I always copy everything. My current History Methods book has lines for us to do exercises, but I copy everything over. I have to, it's the only way I learn and retain. Copy, copy, copy. Sometimes longhand but mostly on the computer, as long as I copy it.

 

[cherokee_dove]

Can I ask why you make this statement? I have had ADHD my whole life, but I've never been especially active in a keeping-thin way. I'm just curious what link you see between thinness and ADHD.

i wondered that myself, as my oldest son is ADHD; and has always been on the muscley side of the realm.

He started freshman football this year, so that will hopefully help re-arrange the muscles and fats into the right combination for him.

And surprisingly, it has put him more in focus of his own behaviors; which is definitely a good thing.

~not meant to upset NH, just wondering~

 

[castagnus]

I'm going to do a serijules (lol) and babble...

Back in the dark, dark ages, before the computer and wikipedia, but after the printing press, when I was in high school...

We had to actually go to a LIBRARY and look in BOOKS and ENCYCLOPEDIAS and TAKE NOTES with PAPER and PENCIL in order to write an essay, on a typewriter or in long hand (if you don't know what either of those 2 terms are then don't bother to read on) on some ancient and what we thought was an unneccessary topic that would never help us in the 'real world' of adult life, by teachers who we thought were totally clueless about what we really needed to know in the 'real world' of adult life.

Now high school students go to wiki or google, copy, paste, rewrite or paraphrase it a bit, put their name on it, print it out and turn it in.

I think there's a lot of learning and retaining that goes into actually looking it up, reading it, taking notes and then writing it again in formal form. But that's just me.

Excerise your brain for a change.

Brilliant ! I'ts been a long time since I've heard good common sense like this. When I was a kid, I used to go to a beautiful Carnegie Library built at the turn of the century (Carnegie built 2,500 of these around the world). - and it was the source of a lot of the knowledge I still have today - a half century later !

Has anyone ever heard of slide rules ? I am trying to persuade my son's private school to introduce this wonderful instrument of computation instead of calculators - and have had the joy of actually giving some slide rule lessons to those in grade 7 & 8.

But we are getting away from the weight & BDSM thread - perhaps this could go on a different forum under the title of "what to do about innumeracy".

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'm 6-5, 220, very low body fat, work out every day.

I have the resting heart rate of an Olympic athlete and I am a male dominant.

 

[Etoile]

i wondered that myself, as my oldest son is ADHD; and has always been on the muscley side of the realm.

He started freshman football this year, so that will hopefully help re-arrange the muscles and fats into the right combination for him.

And surprisingly, it has put him more in focus of his own behaviors; which is definitely a good thing.

~not meant to upset NH, just wondering~

Mine is not meant to be upsetting or controversial either, just curious what link she sees there.

Love the pic, dove!