All NRA and GOA members need to acknowledge the following facts . . .

[Kirkrapine]

No, he's picking what amendment that you get to abide by.

Only government needs to "abide by" constitutional provisions.

 

[Kirkrapine]

The UK had a militia in WW2.

It was called the Home Guard. It was trained by professional soldiers even if many of them were long retired from active service. It could not have taken on the UK government's armed forces and wouldn't have wanted to.

It could have impeded the advance of a German invasion force even after that force had landed successfully. It couldn't have defeated it. It might have slowed its progress, dissipated its troops chasing shadows, and allowed regular troops to confront the Germans on favourable terms.

The Home Guard's kill record is a matter of shame. They killed more friendly troops than enemies. Young and old trainees without battle experience were inclined to shoot first and ask questions later.

And it is worth remembering (which few do) that George Washington, whose regular troops often fought alongside the militia, thought very little of the militia as soldiers, and never wanted to rely on them.

 

[SissySalina]

And it is worth remembering (which few do) that George Washington, whose regular troops often fought alongside the militia, thought very little of the militia as soldiers, and never wanted to rely on them.

Remember the sharp shooters were not regular troops, they were militiamen.
In the southern campaign there were more militia than regular troops.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Remember the sharp shooters were not regular troops, they were militiamen.
In the southern campaign there were more militia than regular troops.

What, you mean the men of Marion the Swamp Fox? They didn't really count for much in the war, pace Mel Gibson.

 

[oggbashan]

Militias and guerillas have rarely been effective against an occupying army -

unless they had significant external support.

Even Washington's Continental Army couldn't have defeated the British without help from the French.

 

[IG_88]

Militias and guerillas have rarely been effective against an occupying army -

unless they had significant external support.

Even Washington's Continental Army couldn't have defeated the British without help from the French.

In the case of an insurgence against the US government you can be pretty sure somebody will be more than happy to fund the militias if it looks even remotely possible they might have a chance. We got more enemies than friends.

 

[IG_88]

Not bullshit, I just explained in detail how it's not bullshit.

Yes they do require specialized instruments, you don't shoot a pigeon or rabbit with a deer rifle and you don't defend your house with a plinker or bird shot in a .410 if you have anything better....like a shovel.

.410 put a hole in ya the size of your fist with a slug. But yeah birdshot probably just sting like a bitch more than anything unless it's a head shot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

.410 put a hole in ya the size of your fist with a slug.

You're thinking of a 12ga slug.

But yea, a .410 slug will pack some punch and has potential to be a decent self defense round in something like an S&W Governor or Taurus Judge.

Great snake gun, used one for years while living in Texas before passing off to my old man.

But for self/home defense? Much better weapons/cartridges out there.

But yeah birdshot probably just sting like a bitch more than anything unless it's a head shot.

Generally yea.

I mean you could always get lucky and clip a major artery/vein and survive the next min or so until they bleed out but yea, bird shot just doesn't pack the 'stopping power' one would desire in a legit self defense situation.

 

[Kirkrapine]

In the case of an insurgence against the US government you can be pretty sure somebody will be more than happy to fund the militias if it looks even remotely possible they might have a chance. We got more enemies than friends.

Are you thinking of the Russians, the Iranians, or what?

 

[SissySalina]

What, you mean the men of Marion the Swamp Fox? They didn't really count for much in the war, pace Mel Gibson.

The Marion the Swamp Fox tale was only a little nuisance to the British.

 

[JohnnySavage]

You're thinking of a 12ga slug.

But yea, a .410 slug will pack some punch and has potential to be a decent self defense round in something like an S&W Governor or Taurus Judge.

...

I've been fondling one of those at the gun shop for the past few months. I'd like to have it because... well, it's kinda cool. But then my frugal self reminds my toy collector self that I already have a 1911 and a hand shotgun doesn't really add much.

And the Taurus is a bit bulky. Now this one...

 

[CaptainFaceFuck]

If all gun owners were killed overnight the world would be a better place.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've been fondling one of those at the gun shop for the past few months. I'd like to have it because... well, it's kinda cool.

They are cool and a good little ranch pistol ime.

But then my frugal self reminds my toy collector self that I already have a 1911 and a hand shotgun doesn't really add much.

Yeaaaaaaa.....choices choices, I have all my practical and tactical shit together. So at this point it's all about the cool stuff for me, I'm looking to collect a quality 1866 Yellowboy replica sometime soon, I'm not huge into cowboy guns but that one has always been one of interest to me.

The lever action is just so cool.

And the Taurus is a bit bulky.

Yea, not something I would try to conceal.

Now this one...

You could take to the opera....in case any rogue rattlers get in of course.

 

[John988]

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[Kirkrapine]

Well, now, here you've gotten yourself in a right mess. See, this wordage in the 2nd Amendment, "a well-regulated militia," has never been well-defined.

I believe in the parlance of the time, "well regulated" means "well armed." As for "militia," it means something that no longer exists in any form, except on paper (the U.S. Code and some state statutes define the "unorganized militia" as all able-bodied males 18 to 45; these statutes have never, ever been used in any way, AFAIK).

 

[John988]

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[phrodeau]

And he didn't hit a damned thing.

 

[milehighcityman]

They are cool and a good little ranch pistol ime.



Yeaaaaaaa.....choices choices, I have all my practical and tactical shit together. So at this point it's all about the cool stuff for me, I'm looking to collect a quality 1866 Yellowboy replica sometime soon, I'm not huge into cowboy guns but that one has always been one of interest to me.

The lever action is just so cool.

Yea, not something I would try to conceal.



You could take to the opera....in case any rogue rattlers get in of course.

Lever action is great! I have a 30-30 and a .22. Also a 25-35 that was my Dad's but its no longer functional but I still keep it for sentimental reasons. One advantage of the lever action is the ambidextrousness of its function as opposed to a bolt action. Such a genius design.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I believe in the parlance of the time, "well regulated" means "well armed." As for "militia," it means something that no longer exists in any form, except on paper (the U.S. Code and some state statutes define the "unorganized militia" as all able-bodied males 18 to 45; these statutes have never, ever been used in any way, AFAIK).

And "militia" certainly does not mean private organizations like the Michigan Militia, etc.

 

[dumbeg4]

Kirkrapine.
Congratulations on keeping cool.
From a country where it is unthinkable to have a gun, unless your crops are threatened by rabbits.

 

[IG_88]

Lever action is great! I have a 30-30 and a .22. Also a 25-35 that was my Dad's but its no longer functional but I still keep it for sentimental reasons. One advantage of the lever action is the ambidextrousness of its function as opposed to a bolt action. Such a genius design.

They are fun, no doubt. Got no problem with semi auto but there's something about doing it yourself. Levers, pumps, bolts. It'll all very cool and kinda gay sounding to be honest. Huh.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Here's another thing:

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State . . ."

But, it isn't. Militia in the 18th-Century sense has not existed in more than a century, and yet we remain free and secure.

 

[CandiCame]

Bullshit. Unless you are a soldier, shooting is not surgery and you do not need a range of specialized instruments. What will kill a deer will kill a home invader.

I... I don't even... know how to address this? One of these things necessarily cannot be true if the other is. You just typed out a damn paradox. You MIGHT can kill a human with a deer rifle, I'm not saying you can't, but it's not super easy to kill a deer with a deer rifle and they don't have the same level of intelligence as you. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you'd have to be GODDAMN good.

Do you not... I feel like you've never shot a gun or competed in any kind of marksmanship, like this is something that somebody who had shot cans off a fence with their cousins wouldn't say. Like I don't want to SAY that this sounds like city-boy bullshit, because I feel like it'd be rude but like... You realize that guns aren't actually those magic things from 5th element right? And that's why there are different ones for different things? I mean, if somebody's attacking your kid or something and that's all you got, go for it, but it's not... great? Like it's not the BEST idea.

 

[CandiCame]

They are fun, no doubt. Got no problem with semi auto but there's something about doing it yourself. Levers, pumps, bolts. It'll all very cool and kinda gay sounding to be honest. Huh.

I don't know man, I hear bowhunters say that shit and I don't get it. I just wanna eat without having to rely on those factory farmed torture cells, and if I don't get a first clean shot and have to track because I have to go through a whole big thing? Then am I really better than they are? I just hurt something and then forced it to run for its life with an injury. That's not what I'm there to do.

 

[CandiCame]

They are less free than we are. Few countries enjoy the freedoms we do. We're the Wild West for the rest of the world. People come here for the same reasons we went west. Money and freedom. Both have a few gunfights involved.

Imagine saying "We're the Wild West of the world" and thinking that's a good thing.

We're not the Wild West of the world, everyone, I swear. We're not a racist wasteland that works people to death and thinks Jesus wants us to conquer arbitrary geographical locations. We're actually all pretty nice and our food's really good.