Delays

[Closet Desire]

As good as it gets...

I don't really have the time to separate the chaff from the wheat so I'll just leave it at saying what's been said about me is simply untrue.

Second, if you've ever sent anything to us (and I doubt this) and we weren't interested, then you received a polite email back from us explaining why. Most of what we've received has been well-written and interesting even if it was inappropriate for our needs.

I'm sorry that you feel compelled to spend so much of your time trying to draw people into your vitriolic attacks and harrassment. You obviously lead a bitter and sad life. You have my every sympathy.

 

[GAYMALEwillEDIT]

Get Your Story Straight, Closet Desire

I'd have replied sooner but the BB wasn't accessible to AOL for a long period. In the interim, I had an opportunity to review your prior comments and study your website. I really hope every writer of erotic material cautiously does same before submitting anything to your enterprise, even if they are "desperate."

You have stated in this Thread that your intuitive grasp of my abilities as a writer would cause this response: " If your work came across my desk to be graded or edited I wouldn't even start. I'd send it back to you to save on the red ink." Now you claim: "...if you've ever sent anything to us (and I doubt this) and we weren't interested, then you received a polite email back from us explaining why."

Why should you doubt I'd submitted anything to you on any basis other than I was too "smart" to do so? You claim you are so busy you "don't have time separate the chaff from the wheat" so I see no reason to believe you actually read everything submitted, nor do I doubt you use a lot of red ink when "editing."

As KillerMuffin pointed out when she was still lucid, "A smart writer knows how to do research on agents, publishers, and ezines." Therefore, I'm not surprised that you admit, "Most of what we've received . . . was inappropriate for our needs." What "smart" writer would send Closet Desire something to consider and possibly edit, or even proofread, after noticing the multiple grammatical errors in the text of his "come-on" to writers whom he dreams might think him competent to be offering a realistic avenue to print publication.

Closet Desire, I hesitate to call your attention to this fact, out of concern for unwary contributors to Literotica whom you hope to seduce via its BB, in violation of a Policy KillerMuffin claims is in a Terms of Service I've yet to locate. However, your self-aggrandizement as a potential source of print publication warrants some deflation, so I'll cite just one grammatically flawed sentence even an "editor" as competent as Shila the Twinkie purports to be, should have perceived and corrected before allowing it on his webpage:

"First, we are not publishers, but we do publish our work with through a publishers which is largely owned by Barnes and Noble hence...legitimate."

Besides containing at least five glaring linguistic errors, his claim is dubious, to say the least. You stated earlier in this Thread: "There are loads of print-on-demand publishers out there who will publish your book for $99, list it on all the online booksellers, and make sure it gets into the "books in print" catalog. ... If you want to know where to publisher(SIC) your book or stories without a load of hype go to www.iuniverse.com (owned in majority by Barnes and Noble). Not only will they publish your book, but they will give you loads of advice on how to promote it."

That may well be true for many writers, but not for the authors of Erotic Stories, especially with Gay themes. Several months ago, I read their policy statement: "iUniverse.com . . . will not publish work that is defamatory or pornographic or obscene to a degree that it would not be carried by a traditional trade bookstore."

I specifically inquired about "erotic literature" such as is distributed by Emerson and sold by AMAZON, B&N and other traditional trade bookstores, citing specific titles by Alyson Books, and was informed that such material was not being accepted. It seems unlikely that just anyone who has written an erotic novel or collection of stories can have it printed for $99 by iUniverse.com. and Literotica contributors should verify that for themselves. If that were possible, why would any writer of erotic stories submit them to Closet Desire? If it isn't true, the question and its implied answer remains the same.

This self-styled "Literotica Guru" who trolls the Literotica BB for opportunities to promote his commercial enterprise, clearly immune to denounced as a "lowlife spammer" by his "favourite person," KillerMuffin, has denigrated my use of polysyllabic words as being the hallmark of a pseudo-intellectual. At least he will never be accused of that, as evidenced above.

Discussion Board Members, contrary to Closet Desire's omniscient opinion that I "obviously lead a bitter and sad life," I consider myself to be happily engaged in creative writing that includes some GayLitErotica. Thursday, I took some time off from that in order to research some potential publishers of my work by participating in the Literotica.com BB Editor's Forum. I am amazed by at all the valuable information I elicited about the contributors to this site, including a smarmy purveyor of "publication potentials."

The most impressive information I elicited was the technology behind this BB, the graciousness of Webmistress Madam Laurel, who could have banned me from her site by implementing that technology, and the validity of my previously unproved personal hypothesis that prolonged participation in such a web venue would be injurious to my brain cells and rationality. Exposure to the likes of KillerMuffin, Shila, and Closet Desire across two days has confirmed my hypothesis, while providing me with enough fresh material for several magazine articles and at least one erotic story submission to Literotica.com, that is, after this entire Thread is downloaded, transcribed and analyzed by a psychiatrist who specializes in the etiology of sexual perversions, self-delusion, megalomania and overweening self-aggrandizement as compensation for self-hatred and self-perceived inferiorities as a sexual being.

Perhaps, I am a classic example of all these psychological aberrations. I prefer to think that, across time, someone who accesses this stored Thread on this BB will find my participation somewhat amusing, perhaps a stimulation for fresh perspectives and a reinforcement of the warning to writers of eroric stories that ironically appears on the webpage of Closet Desire:

"...for every legitimate publisher there are a thousand scams just waiting to suck a desperate writer's savings dry."

My GayLitErotica screen name on AOL will be removed after another compulsive response by Closet Desire that what people say about him isn't true. But, don't worry, under another Webmask and persona . . . I'll be back!

 

[Closet Desire]

Lots of research...

...where are your books?

Iuniverse (a subsidiary of Barnes and Noble) does not publish "porn", but they do publish erotica. They reviewed our books after submission and cleared them. Forum magazine reviewed the first copy and also declared it erotica and not porn. But, of course, you saw this if you visited our site. It cost more than $99 to do it with them because the books are illustrated and because they were not submitted via email. They have published four of our books without a whimper of protest. Their current low end fee as I understand it is now $199. I have noted a number of gay and lesbian erotica titles in their catalog, but the only way to find out for sure is to format your work as required and submit it to them. This is what you would need to do for most other publishers as well. Alternatively you might try speaking with one of their PSAs.

Why publish with us rather than go it alone? If you have only one or two stories and not enough for a book. If you don't have time or money to market. If you don't know where or how to market your book. I've actually encouraged quite a few people to publish their own work or submit it to a number of other publishers of anthologies including Susie Bright who is well known for her work in the field. I've made no secret of the ways and means. Don't like the way we do it? No problem--I'm not bothered.

"Glaring" errors on our website? Yeah, probably. It's put together quickly in the middle of night and posted. If you're spending all your time looking for other people's errors then you should have plenty to keep you busy. I'm too busy checking the things that really matter most. Something that will be appreciated if you ever bother to read the books. It's too bad that didn't bother to inform your readers here of what the page in question says. It pretty well lets the air out of your sanctimonious argument. Maybe they would like to check first hand? http://www.closetdesire.com/writers.htm

Contrary to your assumptions, these books are not done for commercial gain but rather simply for a love of doing it. They are heavily subsidised by our "day jobs" and by personal effort. This is a matter of fact for most "successful" writers. It is the rare one indeed who can earn a comfortable living writing or publishing books.

Perhaps you will be one of the exceptions but I doubt it. You're too busy masquerading around anonymously seeing how many people you can offend and insult.

Thinking somebody will come along and find worth in your words on this thread? I doubt that too. It's like today's newspaper. News today--lining for a bird cage tomorrow.

By the way, your mask is slipping.

 

[GAYMALEwillEDIT]

Mr. Van Scoyoc aka Closet Desire:

I really appreciated your participation in the Editor's Forum Thread. In spite of the criticisms I leveled at your posts and the flaws on your webpage, the information you provided in your latest response was valuable to learn. Thanks for the clarification regarding the current policy at iUniverse.com. The rest was just more of the same, to use Madam Laurel's nomenclature, self-serving "bullshit."

I applaude Madam Laurel's tolerance in allowing this Thread to continue. It speaks well for an allegiance to the statement at the left side of the screen regarding "freedom of speech." I have no objections to the work of the prominent authors she cited, whose erotic stories are considered classics. I know many of their stories first appeared in magazines, but it is stretching it a bit much to claim they first posted them to a website like Literotica.com and to claim their superior work justifies web-publishing all the filth accessible through her enterprise.

Not having time to obtain and read your books overnight, I couldn't verify your claim that your books were printed by iUniverse, but I am glad they did and they might now be open to the submission of manuscripts of good Erotic Stories by other writers and cottage industry scale "publishers." Be assured I shall obtain a copy of one of your COLLECTIONS to see just what iUniverse is now willing to consider. Had I not logged onto the Editor's Forum I might never have elicited the information I did, and been thoroughly entertained in the process.

It is easy for me to disregard the personal attacks in your postings, even though I responded in kind so as to retain the attention generated by a "cat and dog" fight. I believe my points, however, were worth setting forth. If you step away from the "personal animosity" in our exchanges, you might realize I generated for you a great deal of potential attention to your enterprise, by providing a context in which you could appeal to whatever Members who read this Thread to actually access your pages. Had I not been so rude and sarcastic, people might think we were in cahoots to solicit attention to your "opportunity" for writers of "erotica."

I really don't understand why you urge writers to submit what most people would call "smut" and "porn," and deem "the rest of the so-called taboos - bisexuality, gay, lesbian, anal, bondage, S&M, BDSM, domination, adultery, multiple partners, masturbation, voyeurism, and role play," as "okay" when you only publish "erotic stories."

I WOULD like to know exactly where the Terms of Service prohibition cited by KillerMuffin can be accessed in their Domain. You certainly violated it repeatedly during our discourse. Perhaps in the future I shall return to this BB and announce the publication of MY book(s) and invite interested parties to visit MY website. Should that occur, I guarantee I shall have mastered the "editing" features of the BB and shall not let slip the typos that marred my final contribution. It is a "petty" matter to harp about in such a free-for-all context, but really, you MUST get someone to correct your flawed webpage text.

I didn't correct it for the Forum record because I could only guess what you were attempting to say. Your criticism of me for not doing so WAS petty, which seems not out of character, given the bulk of your replies to my posts.

Good luck to all the contributors of truly "erotic stories," Straight or Gay, to Literotica.com. Finding them, however, is like crawling through a haystack a herd of cattle has defecated upon, searching for just one needle with which to prick the pomposity of sactimonious censors. I hope I needled some of the hot air out of KillerMuffin and yourself, but I doubt whatever ego deflation occurred, pomposity will soon reign rampant again. It's a human tendency to get puffed up when one's delusions are threatened.

 

[Closet Desire]

Just a couple of hints...

...If you want to know who publishes a book you might try looking it up on Barnesandnoble.com or Amazon.com. The publisher is always listed.

What you personally consider erotica or erotic stories may differ from what publishers like Virgin, Penguin, Carroll & Graf or Constable Robinson consider erotica and it's their opinion that counts. The best guideline is to look at what's on the bookstore shelves. If Anne Rice can publish hard edged BDSM in her Beauty Trilogy as erotica then the field is pretty open. The large houses, however, aren't going to take you seriously until you've published elsewhere. This is biggest single reason for rejection letters.

I'm not aware of any terms and conditions for posting on this bulletin board nor have any stories published in CD been taken from the "Stories" section of the site. I have not generally solicited stories from authors by posting on the site preferring, instead, to contact writers one-to-one to enquire of their interest. I respect Laurel's site and think it is a valuable place for writers. I have always been open about who I am and what I do. Needles may be hard to find in a haystack, but they are well worth the effort.

 

[KillerMuffin]

CD, darlin', you are arguing with an ignorant askahelmenthes (yes, it's spelled wrong so twits with dictionaries truly understand ignorance) regarding a field it knows nothing about and you obviously do.

I am, of course, in its feverishly deluded little excuse for cephalization, a dyke bitch who beats gay men. I do wish it would cease emailing me and begging for my services. I am neither for sale, nor interested in worms. I like men to be men, actually. We are dealing with an it that has glorified and martyred its gayness and then denied it actually was either gay or a man. It is a liar, a spammer, and worse, it not only knows this but finds itself in an indefensible position. You can tell this because the bulk of its blather thus far has been personal attacks rather than refutation. It is not only an idiot, but it thinks it is actually something more important that a sexless, neuter spammer. If it were truly a gay man it would not hold its gayness up as some sort of be all end all of its existence, it would have completion. We are dealing with one of those creatures who inhabit the nether regions of the ether begging for validation from those it believes the most susceptible to its lies and its yawning need for someone to think it is worthwhile. It just does not realize that it is nothing simply because it purports itself to be what it is not, genuine.

Ignore it, CD darlin, let it blather on its own about its greatness when even the most ignorant trailer trash would know it for what it is, a liar and a cheat.

Though it does amuse me with its constant self-congratulations and its constant misassumptions of me and my personal tastes. What is truly funny is that it carries on as if this little snit it tossed on the Internet were actually important. It thinks of its AOLinity as some sort of mark of distinction, when its actually hysterically funny. AOL user, its like being proud of driving a Geo Metro, the worlds greatest car. If ameobic dysentery were my thing, I would wonder about the inner workings of its mind. Particularly why it is so threatened by lesbians. Could it be that it, in addition to being a lying, cheating, thieving, discriminatory spammer, it is also terribly sexist? Or could it be that it is just jealous? Can it even actually feel emotion or does it see higher organisms perform such a marvel of emotional range that it tries to mimic it with petty uses of jealousy and greed?

I have no doubts this critter is some sort of terrible scientific experiment gone horribly awry because no mother could have spawned such utter stupidity. Either that or its family tree rather resembles a dowel rod.

I wonder exactly how stupid it can get? I'm sure it will be more than happy to show us in its next installment of "How Wonderfully Deluded I Am With Myself and How Silly All of You Look Because You Can't See How Much of a Treasure I Truly Am!"

Mendicant.

 

[Never]

RAOTFLMFAO!

 

[Closet Desire]

You got mail???

Man do I feel rejected!

You're absolutely right Killermuffin. What on earth was I thinking?

I think I'll seek more favourable climes...

 

[GAYMALEwillEDIT]

Mirror, Mirror

Quoting KillerMuffin: "Even the most ignorant trailer trash would know it for what it is."

Congratulations upon your keen perception in not only knowing what "it" is, but also what YOU are.

I don't know why you are so proud of being Trailer Trash that you keep demonstrating it in repeated intrusions into a Thread that became rather informative several posts ago. Closet Desire and I obviously called a truce and are communicating respectfully, but you keep insulting me for your own perverse pleasure.

Your appetite for insulting people is voracious! Now you've insulted the intelligence of all 26 million people who use AOL.

Borrowing the astute words of Closet Desire, "Man, do I feel rejected!"

"What on earth was I thinking?" Folk Wisdom advises: "Going after people because they 'deserve' it is foolish. It's like trying to teach a pig to sing—it's a waste of your time and it annoys the pig."

"I think I'll seek more favourable climes..." I'll join Closet Desire in withdrawing from this environment -- the personal mudwallow you made of this Thread.

Gay Male WILL Edit!

 

[Never]

As CD is leaving are you going to not return to this thread?
I mean, it's obviously being over run by someone you dislike and there's no point in continuing the thread, is there?

 

[LadyDarkFire]

GMWE, one thing.

There was a thread that I read not to long ago about the movie "Save The Last Dance" and I think that one line from it applies to you. "You talk Alot of shit for someone who never says anything." you seem to be like a dog chasing his tail in circles, because you keep tromping over the same ground over and over. Do you make yourself dizzy sometimes? I may not be an expirienced person on this board, but I do know, if I start sounding like you, to shut up.

 

[GAYMALEwillEDIT]

I totally agree!

 

[LadyDarkFire]

I totally agree!

I am just going to assume that you did not read the subject of what I wrote, considering that it showed the remark to be aimed at you. If you did read it, well....I'm just not going to go there.

 

[GAYMALEwillEDIT]

LadyDarkFire, nothing could have been more clear than the point of your last sentence: "I may not be an expirienced person on this board, but I do know, if I start sounding like you, to shut up."

As another "Virgin" on this Board, I am simarly inexperienced, but I TOTALLY AGREE that if I started to sound like YOU, I know I would shut up.

In addition, I TOTALLY AGREE with "Never" that because both Closet Desire and I prefer more favorable climes, unless KillerMuffin wants another "singing lesson," which I KNOW would be a waste of MY time, "there's no point in continuing the thread."

How about that, Webmistress Laurel?

 

[KillerMuffin]

Why would anyone trust a self-professed liar, spammer, and egotist? You seem to think that you've "won" some sort of "contest" with me. Perhaps it's your overall lack of testosterone that's making you try to act like a man, though you aren't. You think you've "taught" me some sort of "lesson" in something undefinable when all you've done is alienate everyone whose posted to this thread. You seem to think that because I have a high post total, I'm the establishment and that I am therefore some sort of evilmongering down with newbies postlord when in fact I've been posting here for a great length of time and all that means is that I have a higher post total than someone who hasn't. You're an elitist prickless wonder who bases all of his suppositions on fantasies spun around your fabuloulsly wonderful male gayness that you possess and others do not.

Though keep up the self-congratulatory posts spammer, they are highly amusing.

And one more thing. Quit emailing me. I am NOT going have your artificially inseminated mutant children.

 

[GAYMALEwillEDIT]

The Blind leading the Blind

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller

KillerMuffin, I was sure you would want to have the last word so I suggested to Webmistress Laurel that she close this Thread after you did. Since she didn't, and you insist on coming back for more tit for tat from "it" . . .

Having read the quotation you choose to use as a "signature," I hazard a guess that you are trying to strengthen your soul, clear your vision, find inspiration and achieve success. Having revealed the nature and quality of your basic "character" throughout this Thread, I must suppose you abhor "ease and quiet" because you realize the opposite environment is required for such a person as you repeatedly demonstrate yourself to be, to develop qualities that persons who share the perspectives of trailer trash will believe is evidence of character.

KillerMuffin, I see no evidence of character in you, but you sure are a "Character"—one apparently intentionally modeled after the type of characters depicted as sluts and whoresin the pornographic filth in which you've immersed your brain for many years. You turned this Thread into a mudwallowfilled with your own disquietude and disease—one in which you are welcome to continue thrashing about by yourself in a frenzy of self-abuse.

Originally, I had hoped that by responding to your petty personal attacks in the same vein, you might realize how absurd it was for two complete strangers to spit invective at each other. Furthermore, just as I realized a person with your mental capacities would never catch on, I was advised my effort was "a monumental waste of time." In a private communication, a gentleman to whom I was introduced as this Thread developed, quoted the Folk Wisdom I subsequently shared in a new Signature. Independently, we were in complete agreement and that is why both Closet Desire and I simultaneously chose to "seek more favorable climes."

I never perceived myself to be involved in "some sort of contest" with you. Were I trying to "get the better of you" by using foul language and perverted imagery, I'd surely lose, for you have clearly demonstrated your superiority through much practice and mastery of those forms. I doubt that I've alienated everyone who has logged into this Board—just your buddies, bedmates and bubbas. More intelligent Viewers simply chose not to jump into the mire. However, if this Thread were to be objectively scanned for evidence of "intelligence, insight, and wit," I'm content to leave it to the future Viewer I summon to this Thread to decide the "winner."

Few people believe it practical or productive for a literally blind person to lead another literally blind person. Helen Keller's life demonstrated an inner vision that opened the eyes of millions whose psychological blindness was illuminated by the radiance of her writing. I hope that you, Seraphically Disinclined, will actually read her biography and learn from it, not just quote her words to mock yourself. No one is ever going to confuse "Killer" with "Keller."

I make this last reply to this Thread because I'm shifting to another nom de plume to open a new one. Whether or not you insist upon intruding there, simply to continue ranting, is up to you.

Rick Oliver Edits GAY4U

BTW: I had no idea you were soliciting sperm donors from among BB viewer so you could continue having artificially inseminated mutant children. I guess you learned that livlihood from your mother.

 

[Laurel]

GMWE - Please remove the advertising from your signature and/or posts.

I've noticed a few users here recently who seem to be motivated to cause trouble on the board and/or flame other users for their own financial gain.

If people want to be assholes because they like being assholes, that's one thing. It's quite another to wreak havoc in the name of promoting your own product or service.


Thanks for understanding.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Sorry, that last attempt at witty response from you had me laughing so hard I could barely breathe. Character is probably something you are utterly unfamiliar with, being a lying spammer like you are, so you wouldn't recognize it if someone beat you over the head with it. Someone so completely lacking in the finer aspects of character poking at mine is ridiculous, to say the least. Try another tack, I haven't felt insulted yet. Just amused.

 

[GAYMALEwillEDIT]

Happy to oblige, Laurel

I apologize if the information I added to, and have now removed from my previous Signature, contributed to any of the havoc being caused by other participants in this Thread on your wonderful Bulletin Board. Of course, I knew my own "advertising" was out of line, which is why I personally called it to the attention of the Webmaster, whom I applaud for promptly requesting its removal. Your courteous reply provides me an opportunity to respond to you, rather than to KillerMuffin. Yes, I completely understand both your generalized and specific condemnations and agree completely that it's not appropriate for an asshole to flame me just so she can promote her servicesas a surrogate mother in order to generate mutant children as a product.

Your comments are also an appreciated acknowledgement of my effectiveness as a Player of the silly little games little people can play on the Internet while hiding behind ridiculous monikers, avatars and false identities. Actually, exchanging insults with KM is child's play for a person with my educational background. I find it rather demeaning to stoop to her level of discourse. I've even considered withdrawing from the arena KM is dependent upon to acquire some kind of assuagement for the psychological afflictions she suffers, even if it's just based upon statistics. I decided, however, that I won't. It's a creative writing opportunity I'm enjoying.

KM's earlier post to this Thread makes no sense at all unless the Viewer knows what I wrote that agitated the venom in her veins. To clarify what ticked her off, I'll repeat what I added to my Signature:

Many of KillerMuffin's 6,600+ BB posts appear to me to be ego driven, self-promoting "commercials" for herself, with a payoff in the "status" she acquires by now ranking #4 on the Top Ten List. Isn't this just another form of the "spamming" she condemns and hates?

I agree with one of your previous posts that there are a lot of neurotic people with computers, many just dying to anonymously go aftersomebody, and KillerMuffin seemed be one of them, at the beginning of this Thread, and especially now. I also agree that adults who anonymously post to a BB of this type should be certain they are sufficiently mature to take whatever they dish out. If any of my comments wreaked havoc in the life of CD or KM, the Viewers of this Thread might ask why they tried so hard to wreak havocwith me.

I figured that if it's garbage KM wished to dish out, I had no problem dishing it right back. After all, I'm twice her age and have a postgraduate degree which reflects my understanding of human communication in terms of neurophysiology, cognitive theory, psycholinguistics, perceptual psychology, semantics, rhetoric, debate, public speaking and the history of psychoanalysis. That's not bragging; it's verifiable fact. The reason KM claims to be amused, not insulted by my remarks, is that it requires a certain level of intelligence to understand grammatical structures and grasp the meaning of words. KM repeatedly admits she doesn't understand what I'm talking about so insulting her is as impossible as teaching a pig to sing. Why bother trying?

Because I originally neglected to post my HomePage address in my Profile, I thought it appropriate that Members who read this Thread in the future be able to discover I'm not really the "lying, cheating, greedy spammer" KM keeps accusing me of being. It also seemed appropriate to provide the "proof" originally demanded by KillerMuffin, and yourself, that I'm not trying to rip off contributors to your excellent site, or any other writers, by charging them money to have their work appear in print.

Because it first appeared to me that Closet Desire had been called in to help KM "put me in my place," I just adapted to the situation in a manner consistent with a lot of the indexed posts I hastily reviewed. I bear no ill will toward Closet Desire, for in the messages we've exchanged offline, I've found him to be thoroughly professional and courteous. The fact KM provided him with the story linking concept of The Society of Dare, which he used in CDII, would naturally make them somewhat sympatico. I publically apologize to CD for any implication the Folk Wisdom he privately shared with me specifically referred to KM, or that we jointly agreed to exit her mudwallow at the same time. We were not in cahoots against one of his "favourite people."

I'm now very impressed by the opportunity CD provides writers of superior Erotic Stories to have their work printed in one of his highly acclaimed publications. I chose to rag him about some technical flaws in his Webpage just to demonstrate I don't back down from intimidation, character assassination, sarcasm, unfounded accusations or the ripe remarks KM believes are appropriate within a serious discussion.

Thanks for the links within Literotica that promote contact with the contributors to Gay Male Erotic Stories in many venues. I'll reference this Thread in all my future contacts with contributors to Free Story Sites and perhaps a few will decide to look behind the Mask I adopted early in this Thread.

As I've privately suggested twice before, I think it's time to close this thread because no legitimate purpose is being pursued within it anymore. I'm going to open a new Thread in the Authors Hangout , under a similar moniker and hope this new effort to connect, as one writer to others, is not again corrupted by the pathalogical vituperation of KillerMuffin. If it is, I promise to ignore her completely.

Rick Oliver Edits GAY4U

 

[KillerMuffin]

Oh I see, you are Jesus and I'm either you personal antichrist or the persecuting Romans. My honesty has offended your delicate sensibilities. Blather all the pretty words you like, bubba. Your still a spammer and a self-professed liar who claims to do the oldest internet trick in the book and that is to pretend to be something you are not. Now, if you'd stoop so low as to claim to pretend to be something you are not simply for your own amusement against me, then what is to stop you from claiming to be a legitimate publishing person when you are not? Nothing? I'd say it's far more likely that you'd pull on these personas. I would guess that it's a real kick in the ass that all of my suppositions are based on your own self-admitted fact and everything you've come up with is based on the number of posts I make a year and wildly accusatory fantasy. It's not me that people are laughing at here, it's you. The upside of having 6600 odd posts is that people know me and what I'm like. The downside of your lying, spamming epics in this thread is that people also know what you're like. I can understand why you'd like to remove the taint you've made of your gaymalewilledit cover. You should be aware that people can spot spammers and liars just as easily no matter what you purport yourself to be.

 

[KillerMuffin]

I've thought this over and come to a singularly intelligent conclusion. Gaymalewillspam is a self-deluded idiot of the first water. It is a self-admitted spammer, a self-admitted liar, and a self-admitted two faced actor who pretends to be what it is not. All of this from the type of one very deluded idiot. It has attacked me personally and attempted to denigrate me simply because I questioned its motives. Was it spamming or was it not? It disrupted the course of this whole thread with its first post. I have come to the conclusion that it is nothing more than some lowly Internet worm trying to fill some void in itself, emotional, financial, whatever, at the expense of other based on its lying and spamming ways. Therefore, it is beneath me and my notice.

Goodbye spammer, I have you comfortably on ignore. And that, much to your consternation, no doubt, gives me this "last word" that you are so mightily concerned about.

No, I'm not a board moderator. No, I do not represent this site or its interests. But I am an intelligent person who will question the motives of people who advertise their unexplained services to "help writers." Legitimate publishers do not behave like gaymalewillspam did. They are not leery of explaining who they are and what they are offering, guises of "I don't have to" are nothing more than pretty chaff covering bad intent.

Were you legitimate, you may have gotten hot and bothered over being called on your spam, particularly since I'm not one for politeness, but you would not have behaved in such a dishonest, integrity-lacking honor. Not to mention you would not have promoted your dubious publishing wares in such a discriminatory manner. Legitimate publisher understand the law and they understand discrimination lawsuits. Rather than responding to the charges levied, unfairly or otherwise, against you, you chose to personally insult me with thinly disguised sexist discrimination and cloud the real issue with posturing about your deluded ego. Instead of behaving with honesty, integrity, and honor, you behaved like a coward, a liar, and with blatant dishonesty. Do you really think people are stupid enough not to see through your posturing?

 

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RAOTFLMFAO!

See previous statement.