Disappointments

[lovecraft68]

Well, no, not exactly. It's on whether it's right to give vigilante, unsolicited public (or even private) NEGATIVE feedback on stories. That's the issue estragon wants to ignore. I say this is not advertised as a critique site. It's a reading site, and that a preponderance of those posting stories here just want the enjoyment of posting titilating stories (well, sex scenes mainly). And that they serve an audience that, in the preponderance, want that to.

If they truly want comments that are anything but "it made me come" or the rare "that was a beautiful story; it made me cry" or that will enhance their writing development, they'll come to this forum and directly ask for help with their writing.

Those who choose to be "raining on your parade" vigilantes who dump on the stories either in comments (mostly anonymous) directly on the story, or here on the forum in unsolicited critique threads (with estragon really having been the only Yahoo to do this in all the years I've been on the forum--which I would think would give estragon a clue on how well writers receive it) are being arrogant and nasty.

I actually know exactly why estragon's story ratings are so low. He's made authors he's dumped on in public so mad he's ruined their enjoyment of sharing a story here that they are zapping his stories. I wonder if he has a clue on the "cause and effect" of this. He certainly doesn't seem to have a clue on how clueless and nasty this behavior is toward those who haven't asked to be trained to write better by anyone, including estragon--who has admitted before that he has no particular training or experience in writing--or critiquing--erotica.

It's got to be motivated by a sense of superiority--which hasn't been demonstrated as valid--and a need for attention and fawning.

I have to say I see your point here. But he also has the right to post what he wants and I suppose critique.

You're right, he has no qualifications to do so but being a free amateur site, as you always point out, there is no one to say he can't and none of us are a mod or the "lit police"

People have to decide how seriously they want to take this. If they are offended he mentioned their story then let that author take him to task.

Awhile back he said something very insulting about my work -it was through a pm however and I did ask for his opinion- It was honestly not even constructive so I blew it off, there are people who like my work and do not.

I think this thread falls under the disclaimer of "The opinions expressed here are Estragon's and his only"

In tne end it's a free country he can say what he wants.

 

[estragon]

LC68, I'm sorry you took my comment as an insult, as it was not so intended. And of course, it was private and in response to your request. I still owe you a beer at Jake's Saloon.

As for qualifications, mine are no greater, and also no less, than 99% of those who vote, comment or give feedback on this site. And of course these are my opinions, of which no one need take any notice, if they do not wish.

Finally, which hardly needs to be said again, this is a free speech site. And I started this thread with that in mind.

 

[estragon]

That's irrelevant to my objection to what you are doing here. You either understand that and are obfuscating, or you're just dumb as a rock (which would, at least, be an explanation for what you are doing).

(And, yes, I am aware of what you ignored.)

What I am doing here is giving my opinion., What you are doing is evading the issue. Your whole basis for rejecting my criticism is that I am a poor writer. But you refuse to answer the simple question: upon what do you base your conclusion?

And if you think to cow me by insulting me, you lost before you even began.

 

[El Folo]

One time I tried to cow a cow.

I really grabbed the bull by the horns that day.

 

[PennLady]

One time I tried to cow a cow.

I really grabbed the bull by the horns that day.

Better to grab the horns than to sit on the horns of a dilemma.

 

[El Folo]

Better to grab the horns than to sit on the horns of a dilemma.

Especially when you and a foe are locking horns.

Man, all this is making me horny-(Cue booing from readers) What, cheap pun?

 

[sr71plt]

Your whole basis for rejecting my criticism is that I am a poor writer.

I'd think you have the attention span of a gerbil if I didn't know you were just evading the issue so that you didn't have to acknowledge your bad behavior. No, the issue is not how good a writer you are--and never has been--it's your arrogance and borishness of dumping on the stories of other writers in public forums (and in private for that matter) when they haven't asked for you to improve their writing (although you've already admitted you have no expertise to do so anyway). This is a reading site, not a site where folks only post stories to get development help.

I think it's borish for anyone to be the vigilante, unsolicited "instructor" on stories here. Most of those posting stories here aren't asking for development help. They have the right to expect you--and anyone else--to just leave them the hell alone on that. If they want development help, they'll ask for it directly in this forum.

But you are obviously too intent on asserting your supposed superiority over other writers here to even acknowledge what the issue is. I can't really believe you are too dense to have gotten the real point.

Obviously, though, you have missed the twice weekly threads started here by writers who are incensed at having their stories dumped on with unsolicited negative comment just as you are doing.

 

[PennLady]

Especially when you and a foe are locking horns.

Man, all this is making me horny-(Cue booing from readers) What, cheap pun?

Is there such a thing as an expensive pun?

 

[El Folo]

Are you trying to say I'm a pussy?

Do you believe in life after love?

 

[PennLady]

Are you trying to say I'm a pussy?

A pussycat, perhaps, but never a pussy.

Do you believe in life after love?

Why are you quoting Cher songs at me?

 

[El Folo]

A pussycat, perhaps, but never a pussy.



Why are you quoting Cher songs at me?

My vengeance is small, but rewarding. You know, like really tiny statues made of you, but of solid gold.

 

[SydneyBlake]

My vengeance is small, but rewarding. You know, like really tiny statues made of you, but of solid gold.

I'm watching you, Penn.

 

[El Folo]

I'm watching you, Penn.

You're watching Penn and quoting me? Dude! You've got, like, cyborg eyeballs, that's so balla.

 

[sr71plt]

Who knew there were so many cans of whitewash floating around Lit. today?

 

[El Folo]

Who knew there were so many cans of whitewash floating around Lit. today?

Oh, did Vanilla Ice make a new album?

Too bad I'm listening to Dio right now. He can go fuck himself.

 

[PennLady]

I'm watching you, Penn.

You think you are, but it's really just someone else who looks like me.

 

[El Folo]

You think you are, but it's really just someone else who looks like me.

If that's true, why are we wearing the same jeans?

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Is there such a thing as an expensive pun?

Of course. See http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2011/05/08

You'll find others if you explore that site.

 

[PennLady]

Of course. See http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2011/05/08

You'll find others if you explore that site.

LOL I do miss Pearls... I don't keep up with it so much now that I don't get a paper paper.

 

[PennLady]

If that's true, why are we wearing the same jeans?

How did you get in my pants?

Hey, wait... I didn't mean it that way...

 

[El Folo]

Giggity.

 

[sr71plt]

It's fine. Whenever someone posts a complaint on the unsolicited negative comment they've received on their stories (which is about twice a week), I'll just ask if they posted their story to entertain (themselves and whoever wanted to read it) or to develop their writing skills. And if they answer they did it just for enjoyment, I'll refer them to this thread. They can then see who the "I'll do it because I want to do it" asshole is.

 

[SydneyBlake]

You think you are, but it's really just someone else who looks like me.

And looking very gooooood, too! Need any help making that cyber boy toy speak in tongues?

 

[PennLady]

And looking very gooooood, too! Need any help making that cyber boy toy speak in tongues?

Haha, no, he seems to be doing fine on his own.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's fine. Whenever someone posts a complaint on the unsolicited negative comment they've received on their stories (which is about twice a week), I'll just ask if they posted their story to entertain (themselves and whoever wanted to read it) or to develop their writing skills. And if they answer they did it just for enjoyment, I'll refer them to this thread. They can then see who the "I'll do it because I want to do it" asshole is.

All boils down to learning to be thick skinned. If one were to quit writing over a "quibble" as Estragon calls them, or a blatantly rude comment, then they should not have tried in the first place.

Anything writing, photos, artwork, anything at all that a person is passionate about that gets put up on a public site is up for critique invited or not. JUst the way it is.