Fat Chick Fetish?

[JMohegan]

In the 20th century with the advent of corn syrup.

Seriously.

I believe you, I'm a Pollan fan too.

 

[JMohegan]

Like Oliver Twist, Les Miserable is a modern creative production. The characters psyche and physical attributes seem real enough that one can even admire the qualities that spew from the authors. I have to say that I know of no-one who would like to change places with the child characters in either of those stories. While I actually think that some of the "classics" are overrated, you do have to consider how many downtrodden human beings were part of the general populace. I dont think it was so much a matter of class but Im sure having all your teeth and not dying off when the plague erupted on your side of town, increased ones chances of actually securing a mate they weren't shocked to look at when they woke in the morning. Keep in mind that life was short and cheap back then.

This doesn't really make sense as a response to my post, so I'm guessing I didn't do a good job explaining what I was trying to say.

The point is, in eras when poor people were thin or waif-like, it's highly unlikely that thin/waif would have been the standard of beauty. Instead, the elite will be plump and dimpled and looking like you've got all the food in the world at your disposal.

Now that corn syrup is destroying everyone's health, and poor people are generally fat as a result, the standard has shifted to elite = I work out at the gym and eat Whole Foods every day.

Barbie seems a bit too stacked to me to be waif-like to me. I don't blame her for the thin beauty standard. Her proportions are so unrealistic, I blame her for the fake tit craze.

 

[CutieMouse]

This is very much the case. These days, because it takes money to pay for an exercise venue, eat the leanest meats, the freshest produce, and food made without a lot of corn syrup, (not that it hasn't always), the rich are thin and the poor are fat.

This is my point, exactly.

And why the standards of beauty are now slender rather than Rubenesque.

I'm not sure that I'd agree.

It doesn't necessarily cost a fortune to eat healthily; it costs time and effort.

My fiance and I are both "chubby chasers." We both prefer women with curves and some meat on their bones. Why would you want to be with someone you have to worry about breaking or brusing when thing get a little rough?

And every freaking time this sort of discussion occurs, I find myself wondering why it's okay to make comments like the above. It would be rude and inappropriate of me to make a disparaging remark about a heavier person; why is it not frowned upon to do so in reverse?

 

[graceanne]

I'm not sure that I'd agree.

It doesn't necessarily cost a fortune to eat healthily; it costs time and effort.



And every freaking time this sort of discussion occurs, I find myself wondering why it's okay to make comments like the above. It would be rude and inappropriate of me to make a disparaging remark about a heavier person; why is it not frowned upon to do so in reverse?

I kinda think the same, and wondered when someone was going to say something.

Disparaging comments about someone's size are inappropriate, whether they're fat or slim.

 

[Netzach]

I'm not sure that I'd agree.

It doesn't necessarily cost a fortune to eat healthily; it costs time and effort.



And every freaking time this sort of discussion occurs, I find myself wondering why it's okay to make comments like the above. It would be rude and inappropriate of me to make a disparaging remark about a heavier person; why is it not frowned upon to do so in reverse?

I thought I called it with my non breakage at size 6 comment, but probably not strongly enough.

The body hate is lame. If I'm not attracted to someone rail thin, that's my right, but it's not like I have to throw every dumbass stereotype into the mix.

 

[CutieMouse]

I kinda think the same, and wondered when someone was going to say something.

Disparaging comments about someone's size are inappropriate, whether they're fat or slim.

I thought I called it with my non breakage at size 6 comment, but probably not strongly enough.

The body hate is lame. If I'm not attracted to someone rail thin, that's my right, but it's not like I have to throw every dumbass stereotype into the mix.

It's not really that big of a deal, but ye gods... "Heavy" is so commonplace and well defended anymore, that it sometimes feels like the beginnings of a backlash against thin is on the upswing.

 

[graceanne]

It's not really that big of a deal, but ye gods... "Heavy" is so commonplace and well defended anymore, that it sometimes feels like the beginnings of a backlash against thin is on the upswing.

I think so, often. I worry, cause my younger daughter is very thin, and I'm almost rabid about comments about her weight. I'm as bitchy about it as I am about comments about my older daughter, who's got my body type.

B will, most likely, be one of those tiny women with small breasts and slim hips and ass. She's almost eight years old and barely fits in size five clothing (slims are too big for her.) She's still beautiful, just as beautiful as my older girl will be with her curvy figure.

 

[Netzach]

I think so, often. I worry, cause my younger daughter is very thin, and I'm almost rabid about comments about her weight. I'm as bitchy about it as I am about comments about my older daughter, who's got my body type.

B will, most likely, be one of those tiny women with small breasts and slim hips and ass. She's almost eight years old and barely fits in size five clothing (slims are too big for her.) She's still beautiful, just as beautiful as my older girl will be with her curvy figure.

Who knows anyway, I was always a really skinny kid and that changed. The problem is that whatever people say goes through so many distortions and weird loops of noise and crap that perpetually thin kids told how thin they are can end up fat and fat kids can end up compulsive excercisers or anorexic. I gained weight because my family basically feels that if you are fat you are satan and I had no interest in their cult of self-denial.

The rabidity is good on your part.

 

[JMohegan]

I'm not sure that I'd agree.

It doesn't necessarily cost a fortune to eat healthily; it costs time and effort.

Okay, let's add absence of nutrition education.

And absence of time, with a full time job sans housekeeper or nanny.

And every freaking time this sort of discussion occurs, I find myself wondering why it's okay to make comments like the above. It would be rude and inappropriate of me to make a disparaging remark about a heavier person; why is it not frowned upon to do so in reverse?

The slam says nothing, to me, about slender women - but a whole hell of a lot about the one doing the slamming.

You're right, of course.

 

[Netzach]

It's not really that big of a deal, but ye gods... "Heavy" is so commonplace and well defended anymore, that it sometimes feels like the beginnings of a backlash against thin is on the upswing.

It's assumed that you're vain, you don't eat, you're whatever. When in fact you may be doing nothing in particular, eating food you like to eat, taking care of yourself and just fairly normal. My body WANTS to be about 125-130. If I get off the sugar wagon, curb my demons, and move around like I should it crawls there fairly abruptly.

The sugar wagon has to be as hard for me as smoking is for M.

 

[graceanne]

Who knows anyway, I was always a really skinny kid and that changed. The problem is that whatever people say goes through so many distortions and weird loops of noise and crap that perpetually thin kids told how thin they are can end up fat and fat kids can end up compulsive excercisers or anorexic. I gained weight because my family basically feels that if you are fat you are satan and I had no interest in their cult of self-denial.

The rabidity is good on your part.

She looks just like my sister in law and niece, and they're the type that think 120 lbs is fat. They're the only reason the doctors don't worry about B's weight and size (she's in the 2nd percentile, I think). I explained that it's genetic. My niece was eight when my oldest daughter was three, and she could wear A's shorts and swim suits, she was so slim.

 

[CutieMouse]

I think so, often. I worry, cause my younger daughter is very thin, and I'm almost rabid about comments about her weight. I'm as bitchy about it as I am about comments about my older daughter, who's got my body type.

B will, most likely, be one of those tiny women with small breasts and slim hips and ass. She's almost eight years old and barely fits in size five clothing (slims are too big for her.) She's still beautiful, just as beautiful as my older girl will be with her curvy figure.

Yes and I have an underweight teenage boy, followed by a heavy side of normal pre-teen girl, followed by a ballerina thin elementary school daughter, followed by Mr. abs of steel 1st grader, followed by a very petite 5 year old.

Rabidness abounds here, too.

 

[CutieMouse]

Okay, let's add absence of nutrition education.

And absence of time, with a full time job sans housekeeper or nanny.

It can actually be cheaper to feed a family real food *if you know what to do*. (shop the perimeter of the store, buy fruit/veggies in season/plan meals/build up a well stocked pantry/etc)

Time can be managed - Once a Month Cooking/30 minute meal recipes/etc.

The real problem is nutritional education. People [in general] have no clue what constitutes "healthy" anymore.

 

[graceanne]

Yes and I have an underweight teenage boy, followed by a heavy side of normal pre-teen girl, followed by a ballerina thin elementary school daughter, followed by Mr. abs of steel 1st grader, followed by a very petite 5 year old.

Rabidness abounds here, too.

It's amazing how different kids can be, isn't it? Neither me or K are slim people. K's not fat, but he's stocky (mostly muscle). My oldest is like me at that age, a heavy side of normal pre-teen girl, followed by 'still hasn't gotten over 45 lbs', and then a mr. abs of steel, too. (Once when we were swimming, someone leaned over and said 'look at that little boy. does he have a little boy six pack'? I looked, and it was my son doing pull ups for fun. lol)

 

[graceanne]

It can actually be cheaper to feed a family real food *if you know what to do*. (shop the perimeter of the store, buy fruit/veggies in season/plan meals/build up a well stocked pantry/etc)

Time can be managed - Once a Month Cooking/30 minute meal recipes/etc.

The real problem is nutritional education. People [in general] have no clue what constitutes "healthy" anymore.

I'm in the middle of forcefully moving my family to healthy, and what I'm struggling the most with is the standard american diet (S.A.D.). K isn't happy unless half his meal is meat, which is not how it's supposed to be. At least he's stopped complaining.

But, since moving us from half the meal being meat, my food budget has gone down, because MEAT is expensive. It's more expensive, yes, to buy whole wheat noodles than white, but STILL the budget is less by cutting down on our meat intake.

I was surprised.

 

[ChainedEros]

It can actually be cheaper to feed a family real food *if you know what to do*. (shop the perimeter of the store, buy fruit/veggies in season/plan meals/build up a well stocked pantry/etc)

Time can be managed - Once a Month Cooking/30 minute meal recipes/etc.

The real problem is nutritional education. People [in general] have no clue what constitutes "healthy" anymore.

This is true to an extent. Some of us know what is healthy. We just like to eat what we want and hate to exercise.

 

[CutieMouse]

It's assumed that you're vain, you don't eat, you're whatever. When in fact you may be doing nothing in particular, eating food you like to eat, taking care of yourself and just fairly normal. My body WANTS to be about 125-130. If I get off the sugar wagon, curb my demons, and move around like I should it crawls there fairly abruptly.

The sugar wagon has to be as hard for me as smoking is for M.

Funny thing I overheard a few weeks ago while grocery shopping:

Woman A: OMG I could never buy all that and be so thin! I'd love to know what you eat!
Woman B: The stuff that's in my cart. (lots of pastas, lean meats, fresh produce)
Woman A: No way! I'd be the size of a house!
Woman B: Of course I also do an hour of cardio 3 days a week, plus strength training two days a week...
Woman B: Oh.

 

[JMohegan]

It can actually be cheaper to feed a family real food *if you know what to do*. (shop the perimeter of the store, buy fruit/veggies in season/plan meals/build up a well stocked pantry/etc)

Time can be managed - Once a Month Cooking/30 minute meal recipes/etc.

The real problem is nutritional education. People [in general] have no clue what constitutes "healthy" anymore.

If we really want to have fun, we can tee off on public school lunch menus and the absence of physical education.

 

[graceanne]

Funny thing I overheard a few weeks ago while grocery shopping:

Woman A: OMG I could never buy all that and be so thin! I'd love to know what you eat!
Woman B: The stuff that's in my cart. (lots of pastas, lean meats, fresh produce)
Woman A: No way! I'd be the size of a house!
Woman B: Of course I also do an hour of cardio 3 days a week, plus strength training two days a week...
Woman B: Oh.

That reminds me of my sister in law. She's a size 1, but she works her ass off to stay that slim. She doesn't bug me as much as my other sister in law who's a size 8, and eats what she wants and never exercises. In SIL#1 I figure she deserves to be so skinny, she works for it.

 

[graceanne]

If we really want to have fun, we can tee off on public school lunch menus and the absence of physical education.

Or parents can send lunches for the kids like I do. The school lunches are nasty, the kids won't even eat them.

 

[Harmony_1985]

OMG! Amen!



Queen Latifah

http://www.tvoneblogs.com/thespin/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/queen_microsoft.jpg


Seriously. Like someone carrying just a bit extra weight in a crop top and hip huggers.

the only people who look good in that outfit are very skinny. Period. If you are carrying anything extra, DON'T GO THERE.

Good grief yes in Queen Latifah, she's aspirationally beautiful.

And the amount of girls at my uni who had love handles and worn their jeans too tight made me want to scream. Seeing it all spilling out the sides of your jeans and your t shirt that tight you can see every inch of your body when you've got a bit of weight on you is NOT attractive.

No. I don't think fat has ever been a widely accepted standard of beauty. And it's true that our lifestyles are creating an obesity epidemic that didn't really exist in the days when growing, raising and preparing food took more effort than driving up to a window and placing an order.

But I'm not saying fat. I'm saying, realistic.

Seriously, when women like Heidi Klum and Tyra Banks are said to be "too fat" to model any more...there is something seriously warped about that.

Nobody can sustain zero percent body fat and be healthy. That's why people die when they don't eat enough.

Bones and sunken cheeks are not beautiful. And yet we have young women literally starving themselves to achieve that look.

WHY????????

Men. Media. Fashion. In that order.

It's not men, it's other women. Many men actually don't care too much about it, the big issue is the bitchiness of women going "god look at her fat ass/cankles/whatever".

It can actually be cheaper to feed a family real food *if you know what to do*. (shop the perimeter of the store, buy fruit/veggies in season/plan meals/build up a well stocked pantry/etc)

Time can be managed - Once a Month Cooking/30 minute meal recipes/etc.

The real problem is nutritional education. People [in general] have no clue what constitutes "healthy" anymore.

Sadly there's that many bloody additives in our food now a days, is anything healthy?

 

[SomeMight]

Having experienced women at both ends of the scale, I would say that bigger women are obsessed with food.

Going out, they tend to make eating the main event. They are quite greedy and it becomes all about the food.

People need to understand the simple calculation - calories in v. calories burned.

 

[JMohegan]

And the amount of girls at my uni who had love handles and worn their jeans too tight made me want to scream. Seeing it all spilling out the sides of your jeans and your t shirt that tight you can see every inch of your body when you've got a bit of weight on you is NOT attractive.



It's not men, it's other women. Many men actually don't care too much about it, the big issue is the bitchiness of women going "god look at her fat ass/cankles/whatever."

As food for thought, rather than criticism......

I see no difference between your critique of the girls with love handles and tight jeans , and the bitchiness of women going "god look at her fat ass/cankles/whatever."

From where I'm sitting, it looks like you're doing the very same thing.

 

[graceanne]

Ok. *gets up on soap box*

You can gain weight from not eating ENOUGH, too. When you routinely don't eat enough calories (or do starvation diets) your body goes into famine mode and slows down your metabolism to pack on fat so that when there's no food you're more likely to survive. It's a survival technique that dates back to when famines were a fact of life.

I, on a good day, eat 1000 calories a day. I eat, on average, about 500 calories a day.

For instance, yesterday I ate a burrito (homemade), a bowl of strawberry shortcake, and three egg rolls. I also drank three large glasses of iced tea (I'm a junkie). I always mean to eat routinely, but I forget.

*gets off soap box*

 

[Shalrath]

Woohoo, the "Does Size Really Matter" debate cropped up after all