Feeling sad

In bold above.....Membership? Card carrying like or is it something else? No, I'm not kidding. My questions sometimes sound stupid, but often lead me to the questions that are relevent for me.

DVS, you are correct. It has changed. It is the way of the world.
The only thing static about change is that change always happens. You are a smart man. You must know this. There is no going back to the way it was, and really? would you want that? Consider it.

I like seeing you post. You have lots to say. So do many people here. I am continually impressed by the intelligence of this crowd. Some, not so much. And others, once you get past the idea they are total idiots or assholes, even they have gems of insight and contribution as a whole. Myself included.

I am glad you brought all this up in a way. It has been weighing on my mind on whether or not I have anything of relevance for this particular forum, being relatively new to it. I still am not decided on that.

This is a new area of exploration for me. I haven't decided yet how relevent I want to make kink or anything BDSM for me just yet. Is it worth the effort at this stage of my life? Do I really have it in me or am I just kidding myself? How far can I do this if at all? How will introducing this into my life more succinctly affect my relationships that matter most to me?

I have a shit ton of things on my mind about it and have few places to go for answers at the moment. I am not unintelligent. I know of and have been to other sites and read real books. I welcome as much to read on it as possible to get my concerns addressed. Your contributions as well. Do not underestimate the new BDSM forum.

Because of the fluff, a guy like me can see, this crowd has other facets that I am more accustomed to and helps with my own comfort level. One must learn to trust and trust is earned slowly at times. I have found that on Lit? That must be so. There are too many assholes out there ready to take advantage of a person or make one feel terrible for anything they post. Not everyone has thick skin. I was new once on Lit. It's a hard lesson.

My 2 coppers
There's a lot said in that bolded paragraph. But, to understand your situation better, I'd have to ask a few questions. If you consider yourself sub, dom or switch or something else even, you have to have that desire inside of you. In any aspect of BDSM there is always that sexual urge or desire that drives you to even want to partake in a BDSM relationship.

It's like anything else that you do in your life. If you're a musician, you need to have that desire to play and play well. You need to be able to feel the music to be able to do it justice.

If you want to be a lawyer, you need to have that desire to work within the legal system, finding ways to either prosecute the criminal or maybe find ways he's innocent. Maybe your desire is civil law, where you would go to court to plead the case for your client in that way.

And maybe those are shitty analogies, but I'm just saying you first have to have the sexual desire for your partner, and then you have to have that desire to be the dominant or the submissive or something in-between.

Trust me, it sometimes isn't easy to find a partner for BDSM style sex. I've had prospective partners run for the hills when they found out what I wanted to do. It would have been so much easier for me to just have good ol' vanilla sex. I'd have been a lot more successful in my sexual life.

But, I wouldn't have been satisfied, because being a dom is the only way I can really be satisfied. See, that desire is inside of me and I can't change that. It's just how I am. I really have no choice. Yes, sometimes that sucks.

Now, if you're just curious, and that's because you've never participated in any BDSM play, you still might have the desire but it just hasn't "flowered" yet, for lack of a better term. With me, I've known all of my life that I was dominan. I spanked my first female ass at the age of 12. She was 10. I never looked back.

But, many people don't find out about their desires for something in the realm of BDSM until later in life. Some know it from the beginning like me, and some find it maybe after their sex life has gone dry or they have lost interest or they just assume there is something more out there and they go looking for it.

But, the main thing is you have to have that desire inside of you. Without it, you won't be happy. And like I said, if you haven't yet given it a try, don't make any decisions before you have at least given it a try.

Maybe check out some of the porn sites that specialize in BDSM sex, which is just about all of them. Check out what strikes your fancy and maybe watch some videos. Keep in mind that many of those videos are over the top and your preference might be a little more low key. That's very normal.

Frankly, I've seen some severe canings in videos that make me wonder if the victim was ever able to sit again. Personally, I would NEVER EVER want to go to that level. I don't like blood. But, there is a scale to everything and there will always be somebody who wants to go to that level and somebody who sees it as just plain sick. As far as those severe canings go, I think I'm somewhere a couple levels above "just plain sick". I NEVER want any kind of implement to break the skin...EVER. But enough about me.

So, I'd check out some BDSM pictures on spanking or videos on spanking, if that's your thing and see if your desire gets tweaked from those. Don't just watch a few, if you're not tweaked by the first few. Maybe your tastes are more refined than some of those videos and while you kind of like what happens in one, once it gets going, you are turned off. That's OK, too.

In any BDSM relationship the two partners get together and decide how far everything is going to go. This is especially important if one of the partners has never been involved in such a scene. Limits are also very important. There are soft and hard limits. And above all, there is trust. If you are the one who wants to be a dom, don't EVER damage the trust between you and a submissive. And if you are a submissive, don't ever let a prospective dom break a trust with you. That's a serious red flag. Serious enough that I'd never want to play with that partner again.

But once you find someone who wants to experiment with you, and you talk over what kind of things you both like, go slow and see how you like it. You can even talk during the scene and express your desire to stop or maybe deviate one way or the other, into something else. If you both agree with this, then go for it. After a while, you'll find out what works for you and what doesn't. Two people will always find a way, if they are both willing.

So, watch videos and view pictures of the type of BDSM sex you think you might enjoy. Don't think just one or two will do it, because sexual desires can be very refined. I know mine are very specific. I like this and this, but I don't like that. So, I need to find a woman who also likes this and this. Even if she likes that, she might have to go to someone else to get it, because I probably wouldn't enjoy it.

Once you find out if you have that desire inside from watching videos and such, you next have to find you a partner. If you've gone that far, you know you have the desire and a sex life within BDSM is for you.

And even if you don't like everything, you can still participate from time to time. You and just get kinky with your partner every so often...maybe when the moon is full. There are no rules that say you should do this or that, or engage to any specific degree. The only rules are defined between you and your partner. Nothing an nobody else matters.
 
If you say somthing or ask a question, and I feel my opinion, or knowledge will help, I will comment. The last time I got serious and tried to add what I know, and old timer swooped in and made me feel like never posting again. So I stopped posting, for a while, I find the new comers more welcoming of everyone. I am sorry that this make you sad, that we hang out and get comfy enough with each other to talk about the hard stuff.

When your kids tell you how glad they will be when they are out of school because then everything will be so much better, then you have a few options how to react; from just ignoring it to bitter sarcasm. This also depends a lot on where you are in life - if you are struggling to pay your mortgage your reaction that moment about the kids whining about their homework might not get super-nanny approval. Life doesn't care much how it should be. There is also no point in explaining it, like there is no point in explaining sexual harrassment or racial discrimination. Your reality is always limited by what you perceive.

If you are professional top who earns his/her money with topping people/strangers, you do feel insulted when bedroom-only-romantic-relationship-people come up and want to declare that you are not really a dominant, maybe not even a human, because you have to have feelings for your partner and so on. And then they believe they have discussions about "hard stuff".

The surefire way to get flak here is to expand your perception bubble way beyond its natural size and fill it with nonsense of how BDSM should be.
 
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Let me be clear.

I am not mad.

Well, not the sort you are concerned about. :D

But I do care for This forum, and I did not like the way it was becoming between you and Far.

I think it's probably hard to find drapes we all love : taste is wildly divergent, and if you go for something neutral then someone like me will pout; plain cream silk maybe everyone? I have a spare pair of those; I have some up in my bedroom, and I find them far too neutral!

But I think we can all make a room with a piece of furniture we could live with, a chair we all think of as 'our' arm chair in our club room, where we feel at home together. Even with the people we feel a little humorously pesky. ;). The wonderful eclectic nature of such a room would be a beautiful design in itself....a little from each of us.

Speak up DVS, wheel a big, comfortable chair in here, park it where you want and TALK. :rose:
I didn't think you were mad, but yes, I thought she was getting there and I was bothered by that. I didn't want that to happen.

And while you went with it, I don't think drapes were the best analogy to go with. Then, when you went as far as adding furniture, well, nuf said.

As for parking myself, I've already done that. See, I had a rather popular thread or two that are still around, but now they are way down in the mass of unread crap. I don't know how much you know about me, but my thing is anal sex, bondage, spanking and electro play. I'm far from a novice in any of it. I was kind of the go to guy for info about anal sex and electo play. I'd assume you have someone else in that postion now. which is fine.

Actually, I fulfilled all of my sexual fantasies years ago. But, even though you've done that, you don't want to stop, right? I've got one thread that is in my signature that has one of my more popular stories in it, chapter by chapter.

I kind of lost interest in posting the chapters in the story section, once that story and others had been stolen, so there are only about 25 chapters posted. In that thread, there are over 40 chapters posted.

The problem with that story is it was going like gangbusters for a while, then I had life issues happen and I got writer's block. But, when I got writer's block for writing erotica, my creative tastes started flowing more in my musical creativity. Now, that is going pretty well, but my erotica stories are suffering. I have two that need to be finished and it doesn't look like either will. That bothers me. My stories, just like my songs, are my kids. OK, that might seem kind of sick, but it's true. You create them, nurture them through a process, then you let them go and watch to see if they thrive in the world.

I've got another thread of mine I like. I've bumped both that one and the one I was just talking about and nobody here seemed to notice. Yes, I know...I'm an unknown. Actually in the Lit world, I'm not, but to this group of regulars, I am. I felt that.

I remember being a newbie and trying to get noticed. Everybody wants to be liked...to have friends. Now I kind of wonder if this coming back was worth it. I won't decide for a while. I'll kick the can around the lot for a while, to see how it goes. I'll post a little, too. But, I can't help but judge today's Lit against the Lit I once knew during all of this. I'll try to keep an open mind. I always do and always have.

I have a very open mind. I think it's a byproduct of knowing what kind of sex I enjoyed from a very early age. I've always been into BDSM, even as a young boy. I basically knew what I liked, without even knowing what it was. I spanked my first female ass at the age of 12. She was 10. I started experimenting with kinky things 50 years ago. I never looked back. Now I'm worried if I can keep looking forward.
 
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I don't care. I'm just trying to answer your many questions about why I think this place has changed. You are the one who seems to be making my point, with every post.

You came here and started talking about how this place wasn't the same. Wasn't as good.
Not one post. Many.
Wavering... I don't know if I can be happy here, or something to that effect. You were encouraged to stay. Encouraged to post. Encouraged to talk about what exactly is so not the same, not as good.

I have questions. You came in an threw your observations down, and now you are getting feelings hurt?
I'm happy here. This is my place to come, these are my friends. A safe place. A place where I can joke and ask questions.

And you, a stranger to me because you chose to leave, comes into the cafe, looks at us and instead of extending a hand and saying, Hi, I'm DVS, I was on this board for years and I loved it...
You come into a place filled with my friends and say we aren't good enough. Again and again.

I'm glad you got my point. :)
 
You came here and started talking about how this place wasn't the same. Wasn't as good.
Not one post. Many.
Wavering... I don't know if I can be happy here, or something to that effect. You were encouraged to stay. Encouraged to post. Encouraged to talk about what exactly is so not the same, not as good.

I have questions. You came in an threw your observations down, and now you are getting feelings hurt?
I'm happy here. This is my place to come, these are my friends. A safe place. A place where I can joke and ask questions.

And you, a stranger to me because you chose to leave, comes into the cafe, looks at us and instead of extending a hand and saying, Hi, I'm DVS, I was on this board for years and I loved it...
You come into a place filled with my friends and say we aren't good enough. Again and again.

I'm glad you got my point. :)
Time to let it go. I have.
 
I didn't think you were mad, but yes, I thought she was getting there and I was bothered by that. I didn't want that to happen.

And while you went with it, I don't think drapes were the best analogy to go with. Then, when you went as far as adding furniture, well, nuf said.

As for parking myself, I've already done that. See, I had a rather popular thread or two that are still around, but now they are way down in the mass of unread crap. I don't know how much you know about me, but my thing is anal sex, bondage, spanking and electro play. I'm far from a novice in any of it. I was kind of the go to guy for info about anal sex and electo play. I'd assume you have someone else in that postion now. which is fine.

Actually, I fulfilled all of my sexual fantasies years ago. But, even though you've done that, you don't want to stop, right? I've got one thread that is in my signature that has one of my more popular stories in it, chapter by chapter.

I kind of lost interest in posting the chapters in the story section, once that story and others had been stolen, so there are only about 25 chapters posted. In that thread, there are over 40 chapters posted.

The problem with that story is it was going like gangbusters for a while, then I had life issues happen and I got writer's block. But, when I got writer's block for writing erotica, my creative tastes started flowing more in my musical creativity. Now, that is going pretty well, but my erotica stories are suffering. I have two that need to be finished and it doesn't look like either will. That bothers me. My stories, just like my songs, are my kids. OK, that might seem kind of sick, but it's true. You create them, nurture them through a process, then you let them go and watch to see if they thrive in the world.

I've got another thread of mine I like. I've bumped both that one and the one I was just talking about and nobody here seemed to notice. Yes, I know...I'm an unknown. Actually in the Lit world, I'm not, but to this group of regulars, I am. I felt that.

I remember being a newbie and trying to get noticed. Everybody wants to be liked...to have friends. Now I kind of wonder if this coming back was worth it. I won't decide for a while. I'll kick the can around the lot for a while, to see how it goes. I'll post a little, too. But, I can't help but judge today's Lit against the Lit I once knew during all of this. I'll try to keep an open mind. I always do and always have.

I have a very open mind. I think it's a byproduct of knowing what kind of sex I enjoyed from a very early age. I've always been into BDSM, even as a young boy. I basically knew what I liked, without even knowing what it was. I spanked my first female ass at the age of 12. She was 10. I started experimenting with kinky things 50 years ago. I never looked back. Now I'm worried if I can keep looking forward.

I knew you were "one of the giants" from this forum from reading some of the old threads. Large names like yourself I tend to tip toe around. Not because I don't want to interact or don't think you should be here (YOU SHOULD), but because I'm too new, and really don't like to step on toes.

I don't feel like anyone here is considered "expert" on certain facets' of BDSM like bondage, or anal. Although I'll keep your area of specialty in mind for future reference :D. Everyone seems knowledgeable in things and shares information in more of a general form when questions are asked. Since I've been here though, most of the newbie questions seem to be relatively the same. "what does this mean? How do I start? What am I? Does anyone else feel like this about x?".
 
I knew you were "one of the giants" from this forum from reading some of the old threads. Large names like yourself I tend to tip toe around. Not because I don't want to interact or don't think you should be here (YOU SHOULD), but because I'm too new, and really don't like to step on toes.

I don't feel like anyone here is considered "expert" on certain facets' of BDSM like bondage, or anal. Although I'll keep your area of specialty in mind for future reference :D. Everyone seems knowledgeable in things and shares information in more of a general form when questions are asked. Since I've been here though, most of the newbie questions seem to be relatively the same. "what does this mean? How do I start? What am I? Does anyone else feel like this about x?".
I just want to clarify something I posted and you commented on. " I was kind of the go to guy for info about anal sex and electo play." Being the go to guy is not the same as saying I'm an expert. Anal sex is a process. There is a correct way and an incorrect way. In most porn videos you usually see the incorrect way. That's all smoke and mirrors. With electro sex, electricity is involved. That can scare people away, and I understand that.

Actually, with someone who knows what he's doing, it shouldn't be anything to be afraid of. Unfortunately, some newbie doms like to say they know what they're doing when in reality, they are lying. The person they can hurt is he submissive, just because they wanted to have some fun. Knowing skill from boast is necessary, if you want to participate in electo sex, especially if you're the one getting shocked.:eek:
 
I just want to clarify something I posted and you commented on. " I was kind of the go to guy for info about anal sex and electo play." Being the go to guy is not the same as saying I'm an expert. Anal sex is a process. There is a correct way and an incorrect way. In most porn videos you usually see the incorrect way. That's all smoke and mirrors. With electro sex, electricity is involved. That can scare people away, and I understand that.

Actually, with someone who knows what he's doing, it shouldn't be anything to be afraid of. Unfortunately, some newbie doms like to say they know what they're doing when in reality, they are lying. The person they can hurt is he submissive, just because they wanted to have some fun. Knowing skill from boast is necessary, if you want to participate in electo sex, especially if you're the one getting shocked.:eek:

Ah, apologies :eek:. My turn to clarify: I didn't mean to say that claiming to be an expert is a bad thing. But you didn't, sorry to put words in your mouth.

In porn I assume they get right down to things (anally) because she's preped and warmed up before off camera. Or is there something I'm missing? Off topic I know... I'm an expert at derailing :D

In other news electricity IS scary 😓
 
There's a lot said in that bolded paragraph. But, to understand your situation better, I'd have to ask a few questions. If you consider yourself sub, dom or switch or something else even, you have to have that desire inside of you. .............'snip'

........And even if you don't like everything, you can still participate from time to time. You and just get kinky with your partner every so often...maybe when the moon is full. There are no rules that say you should do this or that, or engage to any specific degree. The only rules are defined between you and your partner. Nothing an nobody else matters.

Thank you kindly. That is quite a bit more of a reply than I would have thought to receive. Well said. Your insight and range of experience is greatly appreciated. I realize I didnt offer much by way of my own experience, but, this is still new to me to openly discuss.

I don't know if this is exactly the thread for this, but I'll reply all the same.

I am married, 21 years. The things I have experienced sexually and otherwise, to me have been, just living. Doing what I do. As natural to me as breathing and eating.

Taking a more analytical look at my behaviors and finding that it is a subject already of much discussion and similarly shared experience is a little eye opening. And taking ownership, as something not necessarily as deviant as I once thought and is in fact a true part of me has been empowering.

I had not given much thought to it in the past, and in some cases, reluctant to discuss any of it. My SO thinks this all is normalish for me. I am her first and only partner.

Now as to what gets my motor running? She doesn't know the half of it, though I believe, taken with care and in time she may. Our communication these past few weeks already has improved.

I am reluctant to attach labels to myself as of now. I am not sure that would be something that really matters. To my behaviors and proclivities though? Yes. It helps to keep such things sorted in my mind.

So to answer, its there, has been, been doing things already. The furtherance of it I find intriguing. Like an artist with natural talent paints, the more so, furthering that talent. Still, now that its out there for me and I have taken that look, it cannot be undone. I think its why I have not looked in the past. I will always wonder about this side of the canvas if I do nothing with it.

My proclivities I have seen as Dommish in direction. Has been so for years. As someone told me recently, might be described as BDSM light.

I dont want to see blood either. But there is a whole range of color on that palette, that upon savoring their richness, allows me to seriously consider painting with them. In safety of course. I very much care about my people.

I very much appreciate many of your suggestions. Be well my friend.
 
Anal sex is a process. There is a correct way and an incorrect way. In most porn videos you usually see the incorrect way.

Amen. The girls always seem to enjoy it. What's the point of anal sex if she likes it? :confused:
 
Also the fluff isn't always about the fluff. My thread, not really keeping it up so much, is about gardening, and it also isn't. sometimes I make posts that are just about plants, but rarely. I don't expect it to be read in either direction, but however people do is fine.

What turns people on is different. I rarely look at a body and get squirmy. A line of a building might do it for me though, or a conversation with somebody about something non sexual, or yes, the natural world. A scent, a texture, a taste, some glitter or colour combination.....these things are for me.....I suppose, potentially pornographic in the right mindset and company and combination.

I feel it's difficult territory. As bdsm community knows, it's not good to be told we must all 'sex the same way'. There is a good running conversation here about twue Doms and one twue path and so on. So, if, my kink comes with colour vision and not stereotypical view is it not welcome here where other types of 'atypical sexual expression' are welcome? Or are we only allowed to be different within defined parameters?

I have not found my label yet. I feel some apply a little and when I came here I was keen to find them. One of the things this forum taught me was my label was less important, as someone in a satisfying relationship, than the development of or sexual expression and adventure...the fullness of us being us safely.

GIanbattista is uncomfortable with the public discussion of our mutual kink. So what role bdsm takes in our relationship and how important it becomes to us is not ever going to be discussed in fullness here. I happily describe our relationship as bdsm lite. There is no community lifestyle outside of lit ( but two uk litster couples are joining us for a weekend thanksgiving celebration in November, along with a GB lady, that is a gift of community from here). Lots of things like humiliation, do not feature in our relationship at all. But....other things do.

First, like all those kinds of threads.

Second, what you say here very much sounds like me. No label, enjoying the sensuality of all. In the end, its my relationships that remain most important to me. I want them to be healthy. Improving and growing. I very much understand how it's a variety to each their own. What role Bdsm has in store for us is something that remains to be seen. With zero knowledge of it, we already seem to have been living with it as it is. Now, it seems more sharply defined, and in time, as I can manage it, in time, will enter into conversation. Hopefully amicably.

Thank you kindly.
 
I don't care. I'm just trying to answer your many questions about why I think this place has changed. You are the one who seems to be making my point, with every post.

What point is that, exactly? That you feel slighted or insensed by how things have changed, and find yourself incapable of viewing it in any way except via some rose colored rearview mirror?

Near as I can tell no one, including Far, has done anything other than question your reason for continuing to post about something that is essentially a black and white issue you seem to want to make out to be something so much more dire. You're allowed to feel how you choose, but so is everyone else. Particularly when someone comes out and ( whether you want to believe it or not ) sideways insults everyone by saying it " used to be better 'round here ". Yes, I'm sure you don't mean it like that/wasn't your intention/people are twisting your words/harvest harvest bullshit.

You can't out of one side of your mouth, claim to feel some sense of pride when a new person shows up and begins asking questions and receives proper help/advice from others ( new and old ), and at the same time intimate that the boards are now full of pretenders, trolls, and " the wives of Grey " and expect people to not find that shitty. Yeah, it's trite drivel that has about as much to do with bdsm as the fucking Care Bears do, but who cares how people ended up here? So they saw or read something that made them curious or triggered them, how exactly is that a bad thing? If they are genuine and worth a damn, they'll figure out very quickly what that book actually is by having even one conversation with someone that lives it. I like how you claim to be understanding or accommodating to new members, yet you just went on some elitist asshole rant about people that showed up or are here and stick around for what YOU consider to be the " wrong reasons ", and I'm not even going to get into all that crap about " fluff ", cuz god forbid people mess about in the area meant for people to mess about.

On top of this, you've now ventured into the realm of cowardice, demonstrated by how you feel the need to explain EVERYTHING you say in the name of not wanting to be taken as malign or solicit a hostile response, when the reality is you have no conviction behind the things you are saying because, at the mere suggestion of anyone be upset by your words, you throw your hands in the air and shout " parlay " as they MUST have read you wrong and that just proves your point.

Time to let it go. I have.

Annnnnnnd you've now proven my point. Acting indignant even though you have done nothing to actually try and persuade people to the contrary outside of make vague generalizations you pre apologize for. You are a fucking baby who enjoys the sound of his own whining, would rather sit around and talk of nothing as opposed to considering what others have said and stepping outside yourself, making a formal decision as to acknowledging whether or not the people here are worth sticking around for instead opting to continue acting like some brat who didn't get juice with his Spongebob, and obviously need to pop a few Midol. So, since you've made more than a few off handed comments towards the people here I've come to appreciate in the way that you refuse, I'll come right out and say it. Your purile attempts at getting continued back pats from the members you've continued to invalidate is childish, purposely spiteful, ignorant, and has all blended together into one big stagnant eyesore. Therefore, by all means, feel free to fuck right off in whatever direction you choose. How's that for hostile.
 
Near as I can tell no one, including Far, has done anything other than question your reason for continuing to post about something that is essentially a black and white issue you seem to want to make out to be something so much more dire. You're allowed to feel how you choose, but so is everyone else. Particularly when someone comes out and ( whether you want to believe it or not ) sideways insults everyone by saying it " used to be better 'round here ". Yes, I'm sure you don't mean it like that/wasn't your intention/people are twisting your words/harvest harvest bullshit.

I have checked all posts from DVS from the year 2016. There have been two threads from other regulars - this one here and Marquis' thread - where it was about how they and this place changed. He didn't start those threads. You "Year 2016" people started asking questions and requesting opinions and DVS gave them. Outside of these two threads I can't find a single posting from 2016 where DVS said anything bad about a newcomer or this place. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

So what is actually YOUR problem? You are whining like he would prance around and spew bile all over this place. Can't stand the heat of three or four people talking about the past in two threads specifically about the past? Are you crying because you didn't read the opinion you liked? Then get the fuck out of the kitchen.

How's that for hostile.

I can ante up any game.
 
I have checked all posts from DVS from the year 2016. There have been two threads from other regulars - this one here and Marquis' thread - where it was about how they and this place changed. He didn't start those threads. You "Year 2016" people started asking questions and requesting opinions and DVS gave them. Outside of these two threads I can't find a single posting from 2016 where DVS said anything bad about a newcomer or this place. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

So what is actually YOUR problem? You are whining like he would prance around and spew bile all over this place. Can't stand the heat of three or four people talking about the past in two threads specifically about the past? Are you crying because you didn't read the opinion you liked? Then get the fuck out of the kitchen.



I can ante up any game.

No ante here, but give me a break. If DVS wasn't an oldie I'm sure you would have called him out on his whining just as hard. Hell, 2 weeks ago you called Mindfondler a pussy for hemming and hawing in much the same way.

It may very well be only one or two threads. It just seems like more because DVS just kept going. Without reaching out.
He is the one that left.

Now he's back, walking into a crowded room, saying loudly and often that he's not sure if he likes it, and when we, the blissfully unaware have some questions or comments back, we are told to let it go... Because he is done posting?

Please.
It's rude.
 
It may very well be only one or two threads. It just seems like more because DVS just kept going. Without reaching out.
He is the one that left.

Now he's back, walking into a crowded room, saying loudly and often that he's not sure if he likes it, and when we, the blissfully unaware have some questions or comments back, we are told to let it go... Because he is done posting?

Please.
It's rude.

So, if he replies, "he keeps going on and on" and "saying loudly and often" - and if he gives up and stops replying, he is rude. :rolleyes:
 
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