Female intelligence

[Ice2000]

Not sure I'd agree. I have known a few people with high IQ's who find it impossible to learn some things, mostly because they have a mental block or bias, but still doesn't make them quicker learners. Similarly, I don't think intelligence is necessarily about solving problems or offering ways to solve problems, though I would think that is a very western mainstream layman's way of interpreting it. I have known people I consider to be very intelligent who have never been to school, or had very little schooling, and yet they possess more knowledge than many I know witha bag full of degrees....mostly these former people also do not push their ideas and thoughts onto others, instead allowing people to find their own solutions in ways which suit them specifically. They may offer questions or thoughts which might stimulate and guide the process, but for the most part I find those I consider highly intelligent are more likely to be the silent ones who do not make a lot of noise about it, do not draw attention to themselves, or hold that their view is the right or best view. I know a lot of traditionally intelligent people who canot apply what they have learned from books etc., and can recite word for word, who cannot apply that knowledge to a real life situation to save themselves.

Catalina

Catalina... I think your a sweetheart... and would love to have you as a neighbor, But I think your defining intelligence as what you want it to be, not what it is. That romantic thing coming out in you again..


From wikipedia... "Intelligence is a property of brain that encompasses many related mental abilities, such as the capacities to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly."


I sware I didn't look it up prier to this post

 

[catalina_francisco]

Catalina... I think your a sweetheart... and would love to have you as a neighbor, But I think your defining intelligence as what you want it to be, not what it is. That romantic thing coming out in you again..


From wikipedia... "Intelligence is a property of brain that encompasses many related mental abilities, such as the capacities to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly."


I sware I didn't look it up prier to this post

Sheesh, I have come to the conclusion you set out to annoy...I did tell you I don't want you calling me 'doll'....so I thought being an 'intelligent' male as you seem to think you are you would realise that as you don't know me that would also include such patronising and too familiar endearments such as 'sweetheart', 'darling', 'dear', 'honey'....you get the picture? No, I guess you don't because you have well proven by your posts you are basically what my generation referred to as a male chauvenisitic pig...no offence intended but as you are of the same generation, I am sure it is not the first time someone has enlightened you to your behaviour and patronising attitude toward women and labelled you as such.

Let's get back to intelligence and it's meaning. Contrary to your belief, a lot of people define it the same as I do. Problem is you are stuck in a western capitalist mindset where you think money equals power and intelligence, and is actually attractive. LOL, well I was courted by such a Dom who lamented he just didn't understand why most subs he contacted turned out to be after him for his money only and would tell no amount of lies to get close to it. Sheesh, then he complained because I wouldn't and actually told him I found his continual talk of how much money he was worth, his cars, motorcycles, companies, travels a reason NOT to bother with him (oh, and yes, it was al real). He still to this day tells all his financial details in his introductory emails, oh and his profile, and 7 years later still doesn't have a sub. Gee, go figure that, you'd think they would be flocking like flies to worship at his feet now wouldn't ya?!! I feel sorry for someone who feels that is the most important feature of his character to try and attract a partner.

Oh, BTW, I can't share your sentiment that I would love you as a neighbour...can't think of anything more depressing and annoying.

Catalina

 

[Ice2000]

Uhhh, hello *taps the microphone a couple of times...*

Dominants are people. That means they come with people attitudes, positions, desires, needs... Yes, there are people out there that hold the opinion that accidents of birth, like skin color or gender, make one person smarter/better/stronger/worth more than some other person with a different accident of birth. QED, there are "Dominants" that hold those opinions.

Of course there are people that believe the Earth is flat too.

*shrugs*

You got me EG... In general that was a silly question. I guess I am really interested in how common the problem is. It cracks me up at all the wild crap the ladies tell me net guys say in attemts to impress.. Somehow I find it hard to believe that, "Hi you dumb bitch, I'm a man, smarter than you so do what I tell you" is one of the top ten pickup lines.

 

[catalina_francisco]

It cracks me up at all the wild crap the ladies tell me net guys say in attemts to impress.

Really?!! Now that does surprise me. I get the impression you would have a lot of first hand knowledge of such processes.

Catalina

 

[BiBunny]

Really?!! Now that does surprise me. I get the impression you would have a lot of first hand knowledge of such processes.

Catalina

I you, Cat, dear.

Uh-oh.

 

[Ice2000]

Sheesh, I have come to the conclusion you set out to annoy...I did tell you I don't want you calling me 'doll'....so I thought being an 'intelligent' male as you seem to think you are you would realise that as you don't know me that would also include such patronising and too familiar endearments such as 'sweetheart', 'darling', 'dear', 'honey'....you get the picture? No, I guess you don't because you have well proven by your posts you are basically what my generation referred to as a male chauvenisitic pig...no offence intended but as you are of the same generation, I am sure it is not the first time someone has enlightened you to your behaviour and patronising attitude toward women and labelled you as such.

Let's get back to intelligence and it's meaning. Contrary to your belief, a lot of people define it the same as I do. Problem is you are stuck in a western capitalist mindset where you think money equals power and intelligence, and is actually attractive. LOL, well I was courted by such a Dom who lamented he just didn't understand why most subs he contacted turned out to be after him for his money only and would tell no amount of lies to get close to it. Sheesh, then he complained because I wouldn't and actually told him I found his continual talk of how much money he was worth, his cars, motorcycles, companies, travels a reason NOT to bother with him (oh, and yes, it was al real). He still to this day tells all his financial details in his introductory emails, oh and his profile, and 7 years later still doesn't have a sub. Gee, go figure that, you'd think they would be flocking like flies to worship at his feet now wouldn't ya?!! I feel sorry for someone who feels that is the most important feature of his character to try and attract a partner.

Oh, BTW, I can't share your sentiment that I would love you as a neighbour...can't think of anything more depressing and annoying.

Catalina

Catalina if you ask me not to call you Doll then I won't. I missed your post making the request. Forgive me. I think this is a US southern thing really.. I just picked up my cloths at the cleaners and a little 70 year old lady told me to have a good day sweetie. It is not meant as an insult but if it offends than I apologize.

No I have never had someone that knows me tell me I'm a male chauvinistic pig. You get a prize for being first.


Next I meant the 'sweetheart' comment as a description not a term of endearment. In my neck of the woods it means your overly kind hearted. I still believe that to be true along with overly emotional.

Catalina, your arguing with a dictionary definition. And then telling me what I believe? and why? That is over the top again, but I guess I should get use to it. I have a strange feeling you do that a lot. I'm a little shocked at the name calling and stereotyping. You don't lose an argument well do you


You argue your points with your feelings, and some kind of significant emotional event from the past perhaps? Show me where I have said or even hinted at the things you accuse me of believing. Do you dislike all Americans or am I special?

 

[UK_Cream]

The following is an extract from an email I sent to UK_Strawberry just recently but before we joined the forum:

For me, the appeal lies in you being an independent person, strong minded, opinionated (in a good way), but yet totally subservient in bed very erotic. To know that during your working day you're in charge and in control but when you come home to bed I'm the one who's very much in control of you.

I suppose it's controlling someone who is usually in control/self assured that is the appeal between you and me.

I've edited it slightly so it makes a little more sense reading it from a third-person perspective but it pretty much sums up how I feel about "female intelligence"....

 

[MechaBlade]

And I ask the question of anyone with that view.. what do you get out of controlling someone you view as not that bright? you can Dom a Dummy?

I'd prefer to dominate someone around my intellect level or smarter just because I like hanging around smart people. If she was a little ditzy, it'd be okay because it would make me feel more comfortable telling her what to do.

I imagine it'd also be fun to dominate a complete idiot as well, an air-headed girl like in the Dumb Debbie series. I'd feel brilliant and get to teach her all about bdsm. However, we weren't fucking, she'd get boring real quick. And I would have trouble justifying the consensuality of fucking someone that was truly that mentally handicapped.

 

[bridgeburner]

I haven't found much correlation between intelligence and sexual identification. I tend to like intelligent people --- and I'm talking full spectrum intelligence not weighted to any one area -- but have found myself struck libidinously stupid by men with the right aura around whom I could run mental circles. Now, I wouldn't want to stick around and have coffee later, but I'd stop drop and roll over on my back in a second because they have the right sense of power to trip my trigger.

On the other hand I've known many highly intelligent men that don't push my buttons because they aren't sexually aggressive enough for me.

 

[LadyAria]

There is no pleasure to be derived from dominating the inferior (intelligence or otherwise).

 

[MechaBlade]

There is no pleasure to be derived from dominating the inferior (intelligence or otherwise).

Only dominate the superior?

My desire to dominate comes from my desire to prove that subs are inferior.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Catalina if you ask me not to call you Doll then I won't. I missed your post making the request. Forgive me. I think this is a US southern thing really.. I just picked up my cloths at the cleaners and a little 70 year old lady told me to have a good day sweetie. It is not meant as an insult but if it offends than I apologize.

No I have never had someone that knows me tell me I'm a male chauvinistic pig. You get a prize for being first.


Next I meant the 'sweetheart' comment as a description not a term of endearment. In my neck of the woods it means your overly kind hearted. I still believe that to be true along with overly emotional.

Catalina, your arguing with a dictionary definition. And then telling me what I believe? and why? That is over the top again, but I guess I should get use to it. I have a strange feeling you do that a lot. I'm a little shocked at the name calling and stereotyping. You don't lose an argument well do you


You argue your points with your feelings, and some kind of significant emotional event from the past perhaps? Show me where I have said or even hinted at the things you accuse me of believing. Do you dislike all Americans or am I special?

I am a feminist from way back so unless you know me or I you, your words you class as normal are not welcome, and I have no doubt you knew this already....this is not a new thing in society, it has been around for awhile and is recognised as a tool many men use to try and put women in their place. See, this judgement of yours that I am 'overly kind hearted' (lol, I am sure there are more than a few here who are surprised you see me that way) is another part of the feminist argument....who decides what 'overly kind hearted' is and on what scale of measurement? Men of course, based on an outdated criteria set up by male dominated psychology schools of old based on measuring women against men with men being the benchmark of what is 'normal behaviour' and discounting women's behaviour and character as inferior and weak because it differed from their own narrow view. This was also applied to defining gay men as weak ad inferior. Those days are gone and it is now recognised women and men do differ, but that does not mean one is inferior to the other, just different.....so your assertion I am overly kind hearted, putting aside you don't know me from Eve, just means I am different to you as far as you are concerned, but unlike your judgement language indicates, does not mean my so-called 'overly kind hearted' behaviour is actually 'overly kind hearted', just different to yours.

Add to that I am owned, and you say you are an experienced Dom of many years so I would think out of knowledge of respect and respectful addressing of the property of others you would have known how to behave and not to assume you can apply terms which might be seen as overtly familiar. Of course if you are a woman, I have no problem with you calling me 'doll' as I don't feel any undertones when it comes from a woman I respect and know uses it as part of their everyday language such as ADR does. So just as you feel slighted by what I have perceived your behaviour and language (once I can overlook as simply difference in speech, but continueing after being told how it was perceived is blatently rude IMO), as am I by yours (so in part we are equal on that, no?) which I did mention before, and I feel sure you read as you read the rest of the post, but you chose to, and I see this morning in another thread are still choosing to use in posts to me, so no, I don't buy your act of being sorry and it being 'just your way...no harm intended' as you continue to use it when addressing me and yet I haven't seen it when you address others...maybe I missed something. Sorry, I didn't come down in the last shower and as I have said before, I am used to dealing with people, men in particular, who rely on this 'poor me, I didn't realise' game to get away with patronising others while fluffing up their feathers in private thinking they have put them in their place. Granted, this is just how I see it, but I am entitled to my opinion and perceptions, just as you feel free to make judgements about how you perceive me.

As to dictionary entries...wasn't it wikpedia you quoted which from my understanding is a site anyone can place an entry to, not necessarily based on fact and truth, hence they have a disclaimer on each entry I believe? Now for a real online dictionary entry, I found this:

Main Entry: in·tel·li·gence
Pronunciation: in-'te-l&-j&n(t)s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin intelligentia, from intelligent-, intelligens intelligent
1 a (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : REASON; also : the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) b Christian Science : the basic eternal quality of divine Mind c : mental acuteness : SHREWDNESS
2 a : an intelligent entity; especially : ANGEL b : intelligent minds or mind <cosmic intelligence>
3 : the act of understanding : COMPREHENSION
4 a : INFORMATION, NEWS b : information concerning an enemy or possible enemy or an area; also : an agency engaged in obtaining such information
5 : the ability to perform computer functions

...which covers more what I was saying, not just a shortened version relating to a small area or reliant on one way of understanding and measuring which many do not agree is capable of measuring intelligence in any real way. It is sort of like the years the natural therapies field have had to argue why certain vitamins, herbs etc., can and do cure or help particular ailments only to be screamed down and labelled frauds by the established western medical industry....and hey ho, now that same western medical industry is proclaiming world first discoveries, all of which are the same ones used for centuries by others and they have been labelling fake because they came from other cultures or fields of study or knowledge. Intelligence comes in many forms, and those with a degree do not convince me they are intelligent on that alone. I actually have one and have worked with people with more and higher degrees than me who regularly handed what they termed 'too difficult' cases over to me, simply because they admitted they didn't have a clue how to handle them...recalling facts does not make one intelligent for me...being able to apply that knowledge successfully can.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

I haven't found much correlation between intelligence and sexual identification. I tend to like intelligent people --- and I'm talking full spectrum intelligence not weighted to any one area -- but have found myself struck libidinously stupid by men with the right aura around whom I could run mental circles. Now, I wouldn't want to stick around and have coffee later, but I'd stop drop and roll over on my back in a second because they have the right sense of power to trip my trigger.

On the other hand I've known many highly intelligent men that don't push my buttons because they aren't sexually aggressive enough for me.

LOL, now this I can identify with!! Life can be such fun.

Catalina

 

[Ice2000]

Of course if you are a woman, I have no problem with you calling me 'doll' as I don't feel any undertones when it comes from a woman I respect and know uses it as part of their everyday language such as ADR does. So just as you feel slighted by what I have perceived your behaviour and language (once I can overlook as simply difference in speech, but continueing after being told how it was perceived is blatently rude IMO), as am I by yours (so in part we are equal on that, no?) which I did mention before, and I feel sure you read as you read the rest of the post, but you chose to, and I see this morning in another thread are still choosing to use in posts to me, so no,Catalina

Your correct catalina, You have every right to feel and think the way you do. In my mind I didn't the right thing, apologized, stopped what I was doing offending you unintentionally. I have made no posts this morning calling you anything but over emotional and I'll stand by that. But thanks for sharing your history it helps me understand what caused the significant emotional event. And I got no problem if you elect not to accept or believe my message. And I am surely not saying poor me. I made a mistake, I dealt with it appropriately and not much else matters .

Also let me add that I am specifically talking about YOU being over emotional in your decision making not all women. I will also add that men can be guilty of this also. This is not an attack on woman kind.

See the other thread for the specifics of my argument.

Really?!! Now that does surprise me. I get the impression you would have a lot of first hand knowledge of such processes.
Catalina

Your the only woman on lit I have ever PM'ed unsolicited since I have been a member, And that was to apologize only. I use this comment as one of a growing list of examples of your emotions engaging before your thought process begins.

Some sexual predator arent I? lol.. Christ Catalina at least your entertaining..




now to the point..
I accept your more credible source of the definition but I still don't see all characteristics you want to associate with intelligence.

 

[bridgeburner]

Most people define intelligence in relation to themselves. It is rare for anyone to think himself mentally inferior and a greater number of people than actually have above-average intelligence assume that they do. We generally determine intelligence the way we determine morality: those who think as I do are smart and those who do not are, at best, misguided and, at worst, utter morons.

Think of it as it applies to driving. How many people, if asked, would say they are poor drivers? Yet as George Carlin points out, anyone going slower than him on the freeway is a moron and anyone going faster is a maniac.

Certainly there are measurable empirical tests for intelligence, but they're hardly comprehensive and an IQ rating is nothing but a statement of potential or raw material. The Jungian Typology tests tell more about how one thinks than whether one thinks well. There are brilliant failures and then there are the likes of Britney Spears and George W. Bush.

Intelligence has a textbook definition, but just as with love or humor people tend to define it from a purely subjective view.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I haven't found much correlation between intelligence and sexual identification. I tend to like intelligent people --- and I'm talking full spectrum intelligence not weighted to any one area -- but have found myself struck libidinously stupid by men with the right aura around whom I could run mental circles. Now, I wouldn't want to stick around and have coffee later, but I'd stop drop and roll over on my back in a second because they have the right sense of power to trip my trigger.
On the other hand I've known many highly intelligent men that don't push my buttons because they aren't sexually aggressive enough for me.

I love this. It's sig line material.

 

[LadyAria]

Only dominate the superior?

My desire to dominate comes from my desire to prove that subs are inferior.

Not an ideology I embrace.

Yes, I like at least subs I consider my equals, but prefer people I believe to be superior in some aspect so I can gain from them. How can I grow if my partner has nothing to contribute to the relationship, but an ego boost.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Not an ideology I embrace.

Yes, I like at least subs I consider my equals, but prefer people I believe to be superior in some aspect so I can gain from them. How can I grow if my partner has nothing to contribute to the relationship, but an ego boost.

For what it's worth, I totally agree with you.

I believe that choosing a highly intelligent and accomplished submissive not only shows good taste, it shows good sense. And I am a sensible woman AND Domme.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

... I'd stop drop and roll over on my back in a second because they have the right sense of power to trip my trigger...

*wonders if he could pass bridgeburner's "I'm on fire" test... *

 

[catalina_francisco]

And I am a sensible woman AND Domme.

Oh, yes you definately are....and with the greatest smile that lights up a room. Yes, I am still a member of the Eb Fan Club!!

Catalina

 

[Ebonyfire]

Oh, yes you definately are....and with the greatest smile that lights up a room. Yes, I am still a member of the Eb Fan Club!!

Catalina

Thanks! I wish you and Francisco were going to be in the states for Ezarc and Zaudika's wedding. It would be like old times.

 

[LadyAria]

 

[Ebonyfire]

*wonders if he could pass bridgeburner's "I'm on fire" test... *

EG you ARE hot, lol!

 

[LadyAria]

For what it's worth, I totally agree with you.

I believe that choosing a highly intelligent and accomplished submissive not only shows good taste, it shows good sense. And I am a sensible woman AND Domme.

It's worth a lot from a respectable Domme as yourself.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thanks! I wish you and Francisco were going to be in the states for Ezarc and Zaudika's wedding. It would be like old times.

It would have been fun...we still hope to meet up again in the future. Hmm, we could have another exchange of techniques session.

Catalina