Female intelligence

[j_Freebase]

I have to say that I could not and would not choose to be in a serious relationship with someone whom I did not respect and desire on an intellectual level. My standards for a submissive that I would actually bother collaring are very high. Intelligence, creativity, and wit are all requirements.

 

[Netzach]

Netzach

A couple of points... I think you might be confusing education with intelligence. They are totally different things.

No, I'm really not. I'm not talking about apples-oranges kind of intelligence, I'm really talking about the entire concept - when you know you are generally smarter than that person. There are *tons* of people with less formal education than I've got that I consider brighter or more informed people.

My mother came from nothing, and didn't complete her education until much later in life, for which I'm inordinately proud of her. She's just not especially analytical, able to problem solve, good at listening and taking in information, and she makes mistakes that are, quite frankly, kind of avoidable. She's loyal as hell, and scary if you're on her bad side and she's given up so much for me - but I would not say that she was a remarkably intelligent person. Not stupid, but probably somewhere in the average zone. Why is average a dirty word when most people ARE that?

But I'm talking about someone who's got neither on you.

They might be braver than you are. Or kinder. Or more patient. There are a lot of other things to value about people, rather than having to find ways to try and intellectually "equalize" everyone. I find that my contempt for people I don't think are especially smart has lowered considerably, my patience with people in general, and my concern with my own intellect and how others weigh it have dropped off considerably after realizing that smart is good but it's not a dealbreaker or the measure of a man.

 

[bridgeburner]

I find that my contempt for people I don't think are especially smart has lowered considerably.

ohmigosh, it's a kinder gentler Netzach!!!

 

[wenchhh]

RRRokay RRReorge.... (grin)

Ruh? Ruh Roh.

 

[wenchhh]

Wow Netzach, VERY nicely put. I'd like to point out, first of all, that you argued your point without feeling threatened or becoming insulting or aggressive towards the person who challenged your points. It's so NICE to see some maturity and ... sense of self here!

I think it's a personal attraction, like if someone likes blonds or brunettes, big tits or little nubby flat ones. Shaved or growing wild... shrug. For me personally, as I've matured, its all about the intellect. It's just what I've discovered, a taste I've acquired, if you will. As a younger woman, I wanted my lovers a little on the... less quick side, all the better for me to manipulate them .... get what I wanted when I wanted with no hassel. Looking back, I now realize that THAT was the reason I was never truly satisfied, something was missing! Then there's now. My lovers today can tie me up in knots before I know what hit me. (verbally and physically ) I can hold my own, most of the time, and it's so exciting, the double meanings, the intimations, even just the conversations, that stimulate the mind and hence my nether region. My Sir is a really smart man. He hasn't had a ton of education, but he is WAY more worldly than I. any subject I bring up, he knows something about. If we argue a point, usually he's right. Those few and far between times, when *I'm * right? They make me grin like crazy, and then I get my ass beat. LOL... kidding.
I got a kic out of the "your brains aren't gonna help you shine these shoes" comment. So very true, and a bit of a turnon in and of itself. Jeepers, I guess I'm just turned on this morning!
Just my two cents from the peanut gallery.

 

[Netzach]

ohmigosh, it's a kinder gentler Netzach!!!

Yeah, but I think I'm harder on the cognoscenti. See prior post.

 

[JanJen]

I'm a pretty educated girl. Finished college at UC Berkeley, but when I'm roleplaying as a sub, I actually like to feel dumb. I get off when men who are using me would tell me who stupid I am or that I'm worthless. I guess there's no harm in stroking male "egos" as long as it's within the confines of play. But what do I know, I'm just a stupid china cunt...hehe

 

[SpencerAlanMacLeod]

Cutiemouse posted, “The "person in power is smarter" argument seems to be a common thread woven through a lot of femdom supremacy literature;.”

I believe it was Santayana who wrote that those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

About a hundred years ago, the popular psychology of the day was that women who studied “too much” were endangering their monthly cycles. Even as recently as fifty years ago, there was a myth that a woman should greet her man at the door with a drink and in a negligee. In both these cases, the flawed logic was that this activity was somehow sufficiently stimulating to both parties.

Cutiemouse posted, “…IMO it also tends to pop up in men who are more arrogant than they are secure.”

Yes, I have found the same thing.

Interestingly enough, when I want to get my wife riled a bit (for fun and games  ). I’ll condescend to her a bit (as though she were a slow learner). Inevitably, she lets me know, in her own way, that she will not tolerate my arrogant behavior.

Cutiemouse posted, “I wouldn't enter a relationship with someone who wasn't signicantly smarter than I…”

With no disrespect intended; I’d have to disagree.

I was in a relationship with someone who was not as quick as I was. I found I was explaining things to her that took a lot of the joy out of activities that should have been very hot (although, my stories are filled with what-might-have-been scenarios).

Today, I am married to an equal. Outside the bedroom, I rely on her good judgment. I also love her to pieces. In the bedroom, our life is exciting and while I prefer to be on top; there are times…

All in all, I have found that my sex life is much more fulfilling than ever before. Frankly, I could not go back to a life with someone who wasn’t my equal intellectually.

TooDark posted, “Somehow when I picture top scientist or such I would imagine they are submissive who get off being able to turn their "brains off" in sex.”

Isn’t there a direct correlation between those men who are smart and powerful and those who are submissive? It’s not always the case but there are definitely times when it is.

Bibunny said it best (for me), “I don't require my partners to be more or less intelligent than I am, but I do require we be on a somewhat level playing field.”

Evil Geoff stated, “Dominants are people.”

Yes!
It took my current wife treating me this way (for a number of months) before I realized that my previous wife had seen only the “dominate” pose I projected.

Mechablade posted, “I imagine it'd also be fun to dominate a complete idiot as well, an air-headed girl like in the Dumb Debbie series.”

I did and it wasn’t as much fun as matching wits with an equal (from either end of the exchange).

Catalina Fransisco posted, “I am a feminist from way back…”

So are my mother, my current wife and her daughter.

Catalina posted, “…who decides what 'overly kind hearted' is and on what scale of measurement? Men of course, based on an outdated criteria set up by male dominated psychology schools of old based on measuring women against men with men being the benchmark of what is 'normal behaviour' and discounting women's behaviour and character as inferior and weak because it differed from their own narrow view…”

You go girl!

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[catalina_francisco]

. I also recognize that generally speaking, there is a certain degree of (well earned) arrogance amongst men of a certain... IQ, and I would be lying if I said I didn't find that arrogance to be deliciously hot.

LOL, here you and I differ....I tend to see arrogance based on such credentials as unravelling the myth of all the so called intellect they are supposed to possess. The way I see it is no-one can ever know everything and to attempt to and believe it possible is the first sign they do not understand the intellect I prefer...and I like an intellect which recognises the number attached to their IQ status does not necessarily make them a better person or intelligent in all ways. I guess I prefer a philosophical intelligence along the lines of Buddhism and some other eastern traditions. I absolutely love that although the Dalai Lama is considered highly intelligent by western standards, and respected and considered intelligent by eastern communities, he is still humble enough to admit publicly to his weaknesses in terms of Buddhist philosophy and practice, and his acceptance of that as part of who and what he is, a human like the rest of us. These discussions always highlight how many forms of intelligence there really are besides the sometimes revered IQ measurement.

Catalina

 

[Marquis]

I consider myself a pretty sharp young man, but I've noticed I have some tremendous blind spots that render me almost retarded in some respects.

 

[BiBunny]

I consider myself a pretty sharp young man, but I've noticed I have some tremendous blind spots that render me almost retarded in some respects.

At least you admit it.

 

[Marquis]

My dick pretty much runs the show.

 

[Ebonyfire]

The "person in power is smarter" argument seems to be a common thread woven through a lot of femdom supremacy literature; IMO it also tends to pop up in men who are more arrogant than they are secure.

Instead of femdom supremacy I think a better term would be female supremacy, which may or may not be included in female dominance or femdom.

It is a point of view, which means only a portion of femdom is interested in it. As for it being in a lot of femdom literature, I am assuming you are talking about fiction. I belong to two femdom groups and none of the women dominants believe in female supremacy.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Netzach]

I'm a pretty educated girl. Finished college at UC Berkeley, but when I'm roleplaying as a sub, I actually like to feel dumb. I get off when men who are using me would tell me who stupid I am or that I'm worthless. I guess there's no harm in stroking male "egos" as long as it's within the confines of play. But what do I know, I'm just a stupid china cunt...hehe

This makes remarkable sense to me and IME it's only the most educated and the most intelligent who like to go here. This is dealbreaker territory for most people. Everyone I've played with like this has heavy hitting post-secondary degrees or some credential on that order. It's the reason puppy play worked for me as a bottom - there's something so freeing about an opportunity to really feel stupid when you've been basically told your whole life to prove you are smart or else.

 

[BiBunny]

This makes remarkable sense to me and IME it's only the most educated and the most intelligent who like to go here. This is dealbreaker territory for most people. Everyone I've played with like this has heavy hitting post-secondary degrees or some credential on that order. It's the reason puppy play worked for me as a bottom - there's something so freeing about an opportunity to really feel stupid when you've been basically told your whole life to prove you are smart or else.

Yep. This describes me quite well. I think it's one reason I like age play so much.

 

[SpencerAlanMacLeod]

CutieMouse posted, “Mr. MacLeod, you are well written; I think you should stick around. ”

Thank you.

CutieMouse posted, “…however, I'm not sure you read the thread before I edited a rather long, babbling, far too revealing post of mine, a bit further down the first page…”

Nope, I missed that one until you responded. In light of that post and your response, I’d have to say that we are much closer to being on the same page here than I first thought.

 

[Sir Victor]

I'm a pretty educated girl. Finished college at UC Berkeley, but when I'm roleplaying as a sub, I actually like to feel dumb. I get off when men who are using me would tell me who stupid I am or that I'm worthless. I guess there's no harm in stroking male "egos" as long as it's within the confines of play. But what do I know, I'm just a stupid china cunt...hehe

I do like an intelligent lady to offer stimulating conversation and as a companion, however during play, reducing her to just a sexual play thing at times can be a major turn on.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[the_pet]

Intelligence/smelligence.... i'm just in it for the fucking

(don't mind me i'm just in a silly mood)


pet

 

[midwestyankee]

however, I do recognize my intellectual limitations (at the moment, they are mostly bound up in Latin and web design ).

<sarcasm>Et tu, CM?</sarcasm>

To return to the thread at hand, I agree with much of what's been said by EG, Eb, CM, and Netzach. While I don't hold intelligence (and certainly not the mere acquisition of degrees) as a requirement in relationships, I find that I'm simply not attracted to women who are not smart. I've dated exceptionally smart women who rarely saw the inside of a college classroom as well as some very dumb women who have advanced degrees. I certainly would prefer the former even though I've spent far too much time in classrooms myself.

As I've never dominated anyone who was considerably less intelligent than I am, I can't comment on the ways in which an imbalance in intelligence might affect a power exchange. Some have indicated that there might not be quite as much enjoyment in the domination if the imbalance is too great and I'm inclined to think they're right.

And anyone who correlates his intelligence with his dominant position within a relationship is proving the opposite.

 

[Ice2000]

My dick pretty much runs the show.

Gotta give Marquis 100 points for honesty

 

[JupitersGirl]

Gotta give Marquis 100 points for honesty

And another 100 for hot posts!

 

[Ebonyfire]

I should have typed female supremacy; I think I had a brain hiccup. The reading I've done that had female supremacy stuff scattered throughout it were some non-fiction books by Claudia Varrin on female dominance. I read them like I read most things (absorbed what worked for me, and ignored the rest); I also presumed that the land of "men are inferior slugs" wasn't necessarily mainstream.

I think many vanilla women think that men are not slugs but rather dogs. lol