female subbies;re:male subbies

[FurryFury]

Well, other than that evil cookie stealing aeroil, I don't have any problems with male subs in general. Like already stated, I could care less what they are as long as they're not asses.



As long as I never catch you near my cookies with garlic you won't have to worry about getting along with the subs.

Otherwise, I might have to sabotage you.

Hi beautiful Graceanne!

Me mess with another's cookies?

Oh no! I would never do that to someone else's cookies! I am a goodl little Girl Scout really I am. It's just someone was taking mine and that had to be dealt with you see?

*grins*

Fury

 

[FurryFury]

Oh, that is a good question. I have noticed it as well, and find it a little puzzling. You may be onto something!



Hey, your secret is safe with me. <g> Its only a matter of time before you find the right dominant. And if you wind up as a switch... well, then your partner is all the luckier!

Thanks Once Burned!

*hugs*

See I think that woman have to be rougher to buck the societal imperatives and to make the man feel truly dominated. Men I think are much more likely to feel they need things rougher to break out of their macho mold. The men I've known? Are very much of the mind set that whatever they desire should be theirs. It doesn't matter if it is the latest electronic toy or some form of sex, if they want it, the ones I know feel entitled to it and very resentful if they don't get it.

Women on the other hand seem to more likely want to please others their friends, bosses at work, parents, sex partners, whomever and therefore, I suspect be less demanding. If they are demanding it's in a needy, disappointed way rather than the angry, the "world owes me" way.

I admit I don't really know that much about RL, BDSM. These are just patterns I see in the people I know, most of which, as far as I know, are nilla.

I just wonder if that is not why the dynamic of sometimes romantic pairings doesn't seem to fall on the Male/female side in stories and such more often.

As for finding a Master in RL? I am married. It will be him, and I don't really think he is interested or likely, no one in RL, I'm afraid. That is why I am here, sort of living out my desires in a way that won't hurt anyone.

Fury

 

[Her sissy slave]

GraceAnne

looks around cautiously...
sneaks in.....
tosses Grace a pack of choc chip cookies......
quick
grab THESE!!

and runs out the side door! giggling

 

[sphynx's dragon]

looks around cautiously...
sneaks in.....
tosses Grace a pack of choc chip cookies......
quick
grab THESE!!

and runs out the side door! giggling

<a furitive figure darts from the shadows and intercepts the package in mid-flight>

<from the shadows you see a wide grin and hear a low mumble>
.....now to find some milk....

 

[graceanne]

<a furitive figure darts from the shadows and intercepts the package in mid-flight>

<from the shadows you see a wide grin and hear a low mumble>
.....now to find some milk....

*tackles dragon from behind, wrapping arms around his waist and tickling him till he tosses the cookies to keep from peeing his pants*



*scarfs them down before that evil aeroil sees them*

nyah nyah nyah

Don't get in between me and my sweets.

 

[graceanne]

looks around cautiously...
sneaks in.....
tosses Grace a pack of choc chip cookies......
quick
grab THESE!!

and runs out the side door! giggling

Thanks, sweety!

 

[Her sissy slave]

cookies

Thanks, sweety!

as long as you got them. i understood you lost the last ones..

 

[rbijon]

winning-losing-top-bottem

My Mistress ALWAYS WIN. and even with me on the bottem I win too

 

[Aeroil]

Thanks, sweety!

*Tackles grace and steals the cookies*

 

[graceanne]

*Tackles grace and steals the cookies*

Um, reread what I posted.

*tackles dragon from behind, wrapping arms around his waist and tickling him till he tosses the cookies to keep from peeing his pants*



*scarfs them down before that evil aeroil sees them*

nyah nyah nyah

Don't get in between me and my sweets.

 

[Aeroil]

Um, reread what I posted.

meh..

 

[landcruisergal]

just for giggles?
how do you genetic girls feel about your brothers in submission?

do you feel we are competition or do you feel we are able to talk and share?

do you feel we have something to share about submission about our dominants?

do you feel we can come up with some new ideas, to help each other?

do you feel the "rules" are too different for our two sides of submission?

thank you from a male slave

*I used to have a pretty tainted view of male subs, mainly because a friend of mine dommed for a year or so. Her subs were similar to her taste in men generally, which in hindsight, effected my opinion, as they are so disimilar to my own.
Well heeled, execs,sportscar driving, over 45's. They were on the whole experianced subs, one of whom admitted to me that he was actively topping from the bottom, as she was new to the scene. Due to her relative inexperiance, she found this difficult to control.
They were demanding of her time, and due to the difference in her social status (single, suburban, nurse) always gave her the impression that their time was more important than hers.One IMHO was a patronising little snot.

That said, I have, since meeting my own boy, and talking to others, find malesubs on the whole ready to share, honest and helpful and damn good social company!

*I have found the male sub a complex creature and being male can often share a great deal of information to what pleasures a fem sub can provide for her male PYL.

Potentially ( as I have no experiance with this) a male sub could impart a great deal of knowledge to how to likewise pleasure and please a lady.

*Boys seem more visual ( PYL's and pyl's), and what turns a man on visually is of great interest to me.

*I do not get into competition, nor am I jealous, so that thought had never occured to me.

* the rules are different to some extent, I feel I have to be firmer with my pup than my PYL needs to be for me. I need to keep his level of interest higher and likewise his anxiety levels to maintain control and modify his behavior to what I want. But that could be just personal.

But a willingness to serve, to obey, dedication to role and position are probably the main priorities for both of us.
The rules would be different for every top/bottom relationship, as every PYL has his/her own specific agendas, desires and demands.

*As such, any desire to submit and serve, evokes the occassional question that you cannot directly ask of your PYL, and often communication with other dominants is not allowed, and any sub, regardless of gender, can be supportive and offer advice.
If you feel lost in the woods,( which was often my case as a newbie) an encouraging comment from another sub can be invaluable.
Just my two cents worth......

 

[graceanne]

Hi beautiful Graceanne!

Me mess with another's cookies?

Oh no! I would never do that to someone else's cookies! I am a goodl little Girl Scout really I am. It's just someone was taking mine and that had to be dealt with you see?

*grins*

Fury

I see. lol I'll have to remember that for next time that big bad Aeroil comes sniffing around my cookies.

Keep calling me beautiful, and I might even let you have one or two.

 

[Her sissy slave]

males

*I used to have a pretty tainted view of male subs, mainly because a friend of mine dommed for a year or so. Her subs were similar to her taste in men generally, which in hindsight, effected my opinion, as they are so disimilar to my own.
Well heeled, execs,sportscar driving, over 45's. They were on the whole experianced subs, one of whom admitted to me that he was actively topping from the bottom, as she was new to the scene. Due to her relative inexperiance, she found this difficult to control.
They were demanding of her time, and due to the difference in her social status (single, suburban, nurse) always gave her the impression that their time was more important than hers.One IMHO was a patronising little snot.

That said, I have, since meeting my own boy, and talking to others, find malesubs on the whole ready to share, honest and helpful and damn good social company!

*I have found the male sub a complex creature and being male can often share a great deal of information to what pleasures a fem sub can provide for her male PYL.

Potentially ( as I have no experiance with this) a male sub could impart a great deal of knowledge to how to likewise pleasure and please a lady.

*Boys seem more visual ( PYL's and pyl's), and what turns a man on visually is of great interest to me.

*I do not get into competition, nor am I jealous, so that thought had never occured to me.

* the rules are different to some extent, I feel I have to be firmer with my pup than my PYL needs to be for me. I need to keep his level of interest higher and likewise his anxiety levels to maintain control and modify his behavior to what I want. But that could be just personal.

But a willingness to serve, to obey, dedication to role and position are probably the main priorities for both of us.
The rules would be different for every top/bottom relationship, as every PYL has his/her own specific agendas, desires and demands.

*As such, any desire to submit and serve, evokes the occassional question that you cannot directly ask of your PYL, and often communication with other dominants is not allowed, and any sub, regardless of gender, can be supportive and offer advice.
If you feel lost in the woods,( which was often my case as a newbie) an encouraging comment from another sub can be invaluable.
Just my two cents worth......

a high willingness to serve is no issue. i have always been eager to serve, and i have a perfect record, 15 months real time, no punishment/no discipline.
i keep my nose to the grindstone and do as i am told.
it's the rest of the stuff i do not understand, because no one has been willing to try me, for anything of play past 7 minutes. maybe it is because i have no personal interest. i mainly feel if it pleases a Ma'am, then She can go for it, but...but,..i am TOLD, no Domme wants to whip a dead horse.
since i have no enjoyment no one is interested.
i do not know the answers.

thanks

 

[snowy ciara]

just for giggles?
how do you genetic girls feel about your brothers in submission?

Pardon me if I'm not making sense yet, I just woke up a little while ago...

Aside from the whiney "I'm a miserable worm, crush me beneath your heels" sort of guys I like them. That's just a personality quirk of my own though; that sort submission also turns me off when it's a female doing it. but it seems more common among males. I'm lucky to have one of the male subs here as a fairly good friend.

do you feel we are competition or do you feel we are able to talk and share?

I've never viewed bdsm as a competitive sport. If you're into competitive bdsm; it seems any sub is competition no matter what gender they are. I'm attracted to men and women and tpersons, so I can where a PYL would be attracted to all of us.

Bronn can be SERIOUS competition at the pizza buffet, though, as well as in the cookie department.

do you feel we have something to share about submission about our dominants?

Yes. I'm not an expert in everything; but there are a few things I do know about. Most people are the same way. When you stop being curious about others, other ideas or different lifestyles, you stagnate and become boring. This is when I take you out of my address book. We're all here to learn so lets not be stingy about knowledge. I'm enjoying the heck out of Shadowsdream's Male Sub thread because the guys are so open and willing to share. Due to the plethora of fem subs around here, (and we are an outspoken lot) I find it refreshing. I wish the guys would speak out more on stuff.

do you feel we can come up with some new ideas, to help each other?

Yes.

do you feel the "rules" are too different for our two sides of submission?

Nope, because as I understand it, there are no standard rules. When a PYL and pyl get together, they negotiate their roles, their rules for what works best for them. What will work with me and Dominant partner is loads different than what works for Xelebes or Aeroil or Graceanne or Shy, and these differences are defined, for the most part by our personalities, NOT by our plumbing.

thank you from a male slave

You're welcome.

 

[curiousjen]

I don't really have much connection to the BDSM world other than this board, and no real interest to at this present time. I don't know anybody who is into BDSM, friends or otherwise (although a couple of my girlfriends indulge in furry handcuffs etc but nothing too life-changing).

I tend to think of myself less as "a submissive" in a general way and more as "the one who submits to Owen" if that makes any sense to you at all. I am secure in my relationship with Owen and very happy. But its all about him, you know, I don't feel this big connection to a movement or the scene and a lot of what I do see I don't like (but there's a rant for another time)

So, with that in mind, I have pretty much zilch feeling towards male submissives as I've never met one. On this board (which is all I have to go on) people like Draggie and Aeroil (and others) have taught me a lot and often make me laugh, but some other male subs I've met have really annoyed me (but I'm not gonna name names). As i suspected, there are nice and nasty male submissives just as there are nice and nasty everybody else. Indeed, as people have pointed out you get assholes in all areas of society.

I don't feel competition- why should I? Owen certainly doesn't lean that way and he's the only one I'm interested in serving.

I always lurk on the male sub threads, because male submission is certainly very interesting to me, to examine the differing pressures we face. I think male subs have a much harder job of it than fem subs, because they, IMO are flying in the face of the male social model, whereas despite feminism, fem subs are much more accepted by society at large. I totally think we can share and learn from each other, because despite the different pressures we face, there are a lot of common elements to male and female submission, the same loss of control, the same desire to serve. Its all good, really

 

[sphynx's dragon]

I don't really have much connection to the BDSM world other than this board, and no real interest to at this present time. I don't know anybody who is into BDSM, friends or otherwise (although a couple of my girlfriends indulge in furry handcuffs etc but nothing too life-changing).

I tend to think of myself less as "a submissive" in a general way and more as "the one who submits to Owen" if that makes any sense to you at all. I am secure in my relationship with Owen and very happy. But its all about him, you know, I don't feel this big connection to a movement or the scene and a lot of what I do see I don't like (but there's a rant for another time)

So, with that in mind, I have pretty much zilch feeling towards male submissives as I've never met one. On this board (which is all I have to go on) people like Draggie and Aeroil (and others) have taught me a lot and often make me laugh, but some other male subs I've met have really annoyed me (but I'm not gonna name names). As i suspected, there are nice and nasty male submissives just as there are nice and nasty everybody else. Indeed, as people have pointed out you get assholes in all areas of society.

I don't feel competition- why should I? Owen certainly doesn't lean that way and he's the only one I'm interested in serving.

I always lurk on the male sub threads, because male submission is certainly very interesting to me, to examine the differing pressures we face. I think male subs have a much harder job of it than fem subs, because they, IMO are flying in the face of the male social model, whereas despite feminism, fem subs are much more accepted by society at large. I totally think we can share and learn from each other, because despite the different pressures we face, there are a lot of common elements to male and female submission, the same loss of control, the same desire to serve. Its all good, really

I'm glad to hear that at least some of what I have said and done have had a positive outcome, it's a little reasuring to know that. Thank you.

 

[curiousjen]

I'm glad to hear that at least some of what I have said and done have had a positive outcome, it's a little reasuring to know that. Thank you.

No problem I look forward to learning more about you and your Lady's journey

 

[sphynx's dragon]

No problem I look forward to learning more about you and your Lady's journey

She's been pushing it in new directions lately, for the first time about a week ago She was able to push me over into subspace. That was very interesting and She been pushing for repeats ever since, done it 3 more times too! I'm still trying to figure out exactly how o describe the feeling but haven't been able to. Maybe another trip will help... <looks around hopefully for my Sphynx>

 

[curiousjen]

She's been pushing it in new directions lately, for the first time about a week ago She was able to push me over into subspace. That was very interesting and She been pushing for repeats ever since, done it 3 more times too! I'm still trying to figure out exactly how o describe the feeling but haven't been able to. Maybe another trip will help... <looks around hopefully for my Sphynx>

Lol!

I don't know if I have ever entered subspace, so I will be interesting to read your description of it when you post. Is it something, you think, that you *know* instantly. I mean, I've been in a sort of trance like state but I don't know if it would qualify as subspace, or what even exactly it is. Don't get me wrong, I've read enough but have found it hard to relate it to my experiences.

 

[sphynx's dragon]

Lol!

I don't know if I have ever entered subspace, so I will be interesting to read your description of it when you post. Is it something, you think, that you *know* instantly. I mean, I've been in a sort of trance like state but I don't know if it would qualify as subspace, or what even exactly it is. Don't get me wrong, I've read enough but have found it hard to relate it to my experiences.

Tis much like that for me as well, it seems I don't really notice when I go into it only when I come back out of it. I just kinda slide into it and don't notice until afterward when my perceptions phase back into the normal world and I start perceiving the world again. A very interesting feeling.

 

[Her sissy slave]

rules

Pardon me if I'm not making sense yet, I just woke up a little while ago...

Aside from the whiney "I'm a miserable worm, crush me beneath your heels" sort of guys I like them. That's just a personality quirk of my own though; that sort submission also turns me off when it's a female doing it. but it seems more common among males. I'm lucky to have one of the male subs here as a fairly good friend.

I've never viewed bdsm as a competitive sport. If you're into competitive bdsm; it seems any sub is competition no matter what gender they are. I'm attracted to men and women and tpersons, so I can where a PYL would be attracted to all of us.

Bronn can be SERIOUS competition at the pizza buffet, though, as well as in the cookie department.

Yes. I'm not an expert in everything; but there are a few things I do know about. Most people are the same way. When you stop being curious about others, other ideas or different lifestyles, you stagnate and become boring. This is when I take you out of my address book. We're all here to learn so lets not be stingy about knowledge. I'm enjoying the heck out of Shadowsdream's Male Sub thread because the guys are so open and willing to share. Due to the plethora of fem subs around here, (and we are an outspoken lot) I find it refreshing. I wish the guys would speak out more on stuff.

Yes.

Nope, because as I understand it, there are no standard rules. When a PYL and pyl get together, they negotiate their roles, their rules for what works best for them. What will work with me and Dominant partner is loads different than what works for Xelebes or Aeroil or Graceanne or Shy, and these differences are defined, for the most part by our personalities, NOT by our plumbing.

You're welcome.

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Quote:
do you feel the "rules" are too different for our two sides of submission?




Nope, because as I understand it, there are no standard rules


uh, whoa! as "i" understand, and PLEASE correct wrongs here---i hear of girls being told no panties/no bras/ etc etc.
"i" as YET, have not seen/heard of males being thusly..naked in the house. i imagine it may be..but isn't this more of pro dommes and clients?
i so far,..of the dommes "i" have met tell me that is gross and would not have it be so.
someone enlighten me please?
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Shadowsdream's Male Sub thread ;;
this is where please? i wish to see this. thank you

 

[FurryFury]

...it's the rest of the stuff i do not understand, because no one has been willing to try me, for anything of play past 7 minutes. maybe it is because i have no personal interest. i mainly feel if it pleases a Ma'am, then She can go for it, but...but,..i am TOLD, no Domme wants to whip a dead horse.
since i have no enjoyment no one is interested.
i do not know the answers. thanks

Hi Her Sissy Slave,

You have no enjoyment?

You have no personal interest?

I really don't understand. If you don't enjoy and have no personal interest why do it at all?

I'm really confused.

Can you explain?

Fury

 

[curiousjen]

do you feel the "rules" are too different for our two sides of submission?
Nope, because as I understand it, there are no standard rules

uh, whoa! as "i" understand, and PLEASE correct wrongs here---i hear of girls being told no panties/no bras/ etc etc.
"i" as YET, have not seen/heard of males being thusly..naked in the house. i imagine it may be..but isn't this more of pro dommes and clients?
i so far,..of the dommes "i" have met tell me that is gross and would not have it be so.
someone enlighten me please?

Sissy, the individual rules of each D/s relationship totally vary from person to person. BDSM relationships are not a one size fits all kind of thing- some Dommes will want you to wear clothes, others won't it depends on the woman, her preferances and the pracicalities of the situation. Speaking for myself and my Dom sometimes I am naked around the house, sometimes not- depends on what he feels like- there is no "rule".

Although male and female submissives sometimes have different practices and cultures surrounding them- the act of submitting in my opinion is pretty universal and not gender specific.

 

[sphynx's dragon]

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Quote:
do you feel the "rules" are too different for our two sides of submission?




Nope, because as I understand it, there are no standard rules


uh, whoa! as "i" understand, and PLEASE correct wrongs here---i hear of girls being told no panties/no bras/ etc etc.
"i" as YET, have not seen/heard of males being thusly..naked in the house. i imagine it may be..but isn't this more of pro dommes and clients?
i so far,..of the dommes "i" have met tell me that is gross and would not have it be so.
someone enlighten me please?
==

Shadowsdream's Male Sub thread ;;
this is where please? i wish to see this. thank you

Actually I am held thus sometimes, power issues really and Her control over me.