For those who assume supporting a Trump presidency over a Biden one means being a MAGA Trumper....

[Rightguide]

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Doesn't have relevance to how I vote. Chip plants being built, bridges and roads being repaired..

Your words are defined by only two of the letters above, BS.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I simply got through the bullshit to the heart of what you believe, no matter how you twist language and reframe arguments to hide your heart condition and soul attitude.

No you didn't I have on multiple occasions stated my position on abortion.

As for your other redundant argument, a 5 week old, left alone, will die absent care and nourishment too.

How long will it take?> Most 5 year olds can feed themselves, so can a 5 year old die with out adult help sure. But it's not a 100% odd, however a 5 week old Fetus will die within seconds if removed from a woman s womb. Even a 5 month old Fetus, which is then born and becomes defined as a baby, may die even with all the science of modern medicine.

We are still talking location, not human status. Your argument is self defeating unless you would like to advocate for post-birth abortion too.

The above point make no sense.

 

[JaySecrets]

Your words are defined by only two of the letters above, BS.

He kinda walked into that one.

 

[Lazaran]

Your words are defined by only two of the letters above, BS.

“Right"guide has been broken.



“Right"guide

 

[JaySecrets]

“Right"guide has been broken.



“Right"guide

You missed the point. 1174 walked into it by his... Nevermind. Your side hasn't proven all that bright or witty anyway.

 

[Lazaran]

You missed the point. 1174 walked into it by his... Nevermind. Your side hasn't proven all that bright or witty anyway.

“Nevermind”should be JaySecretion’s default mode.

 

[SmokingFap]

This thread is still going? Huh.

 

[JaySecrets]

 

[RoryN]

This thread is still going? Huh.

Yeah. The thread completely backfired on him, so now he has to keep it alive to prove it didn't.

 

[Hipshot1554]

Sure, I'll go first.

I do not believe she should be allowed to murder the baby in the scenario you describe, no.
And yes, I believe she should be tried as a murderer if she did so.

Now, would you mind answering my questions too?

Arguing with some people is a huge waste of time...

 

[RoryN]

"For those who assume supporting a Trump presidency...means being a MAGA Trumper": you're spot on.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

A baby is IN a mother's womb, but it is not PART of her body. We know this to be scientifically true.

Not true. Up to a certain point, if the mother dies, the baby dies. There's a little thing called the umbilical cord which CONNECTS the baby TO the mother's body, without which it would die. It's not just hanging out in its own little man cave smoking doobies and feasting on Ramen.

 

[JaySecrets]

Not true. Up to a certain point, if the mother dies, the baby dies. There's a little thing called the umbilical cord which CONNECTS the baby TO the mother's body, without which it would die. It's not just hanging out in its own little man cave smoking doobies and feasting on Ramen.

That umbilical cord is a FEEDING tube. That no more makes the baby a PART of the mother than you being on a feeding tube in a hospital makes you part of a pole with a plastic bag. Yes, if the life support system dies, that which is SUPPORTED by it dies. But if grandpa is kept alive by life support and you unplug the life support, he dies too. He is no less a person and no less a separate entity from the machine than the baby is from his or her mother. Separate DNA. Separate genetic traits. Even separate gender half the time. The child in the womb is a person with a separate identity. That God designed a biological life support system to protect and care for that child while he or she is in their most vulnerable state does not negate this fact. Any argument to the contrary is disingenuous and dishonest with the facts.

 

[ll74]

That umbilical cord is a FEEDING tube. That no more makes the baby a PART of the mother than you being on a feeding tube in a hospital makes you part of a pole with a plastic bag. Yes, if the life support system dies, that which is SUPPORTED by it dies. But if grandpa is kept alive by life support and you unplug the life support, he dies too. He is no less a person and no less a separate entity from the machine than the baby is from his or her mother. Separate DNA. Separate genetic traits. Even separate gender half the time. The child in the womb is a person with a separate identity. That God designed a biological life support system to protect and care for that child while he or she is in their most vulnerable state does not negate this fact. Any argument to the contrary is disingenuous and dishonest with the facts.

If you remove it from the feeding tube at two weeks, how does that work out?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

That umbilical cord is a FEEDING tube. That no more makes the baby a PART of the mother than you being on a feeding tube in a hospital makes you part of a pole with a plastic bag. Yes, if the life support system dies, that which is SUPPORTED by it dies. But if grandpa is kept alive by life support and you unplug the life support, he dies too. He is no less a person and no less a separate entity from the machine than the baby is from his or her mother. Separate DNA. Separate genetic traits. Even separate gender half the time. The child in the womb is a person with a separate identity. That God designed a biological life support system to protect and care for that child while he or she is in their most vulnerable state does not negate this fact. Any argument to the contrary is disingenuous and dishonest with the facts.

not a correct analogy. You really don't understand anything about the female body, do you?

If you chop off Grandpa's "feeding tube" you just replace it with another piece of plastic. If you chop off the umbilical cord in utero the baby will die, and not from starving to death, and so will the mother probably. The umbilical is part of the women's body, not some third party neutral piece of lifeless machinery, you cow. They are biologically CONNECTED. For six months or however long it is before it can live on its own, it is for all intents and purposes part of the mother's body.

 

[RoryN]

Man, if ever an OP got their ass handed to them, it was this one.

Huge thread, so quick review: a MAGAt made this topic to cry about people giving him a hard time for voting for Trump. He tried to make the case that he wasn't a MAGAt just because of his vote.

Lit weighed in. The response was an emphatic fuck off, MAGAt - you own your choices, and deserve every bit of scorn you get. Check the responses and reactions.

Lesson learned!

 

[JaySecrets]

not a correct analogy. You really don't understand anything about the female body, do you?

If you chop off Grandpa's "feeding tube" you just replace it with another piece of plastic. If you chop off the umbilical cord in utero the baby will die, and not from starving to death, and so will the mother probably. The umbilical is part of the women's body, not some third party neutral piece of lifeless machinery, you cow. They are biologically CONNECTED. For six months or however long it is before it can live on its own, it is for all intents and purposes part of the mother's body.

Again... and get this clearly.... there are now countless doctors and nurses and aides who were DEEP in Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry who have left, after being recognized and awarded as the best in their field. They left because they DO know the female body, knew what they were doing, and could no longer live with themselves. They later made it clear that they ALWAYS knew, that they lied to themselves daily because the money was friggin astronomical! So once again: SEPERATE DNA. SEPERATE HEARTBEAT. SEPERATE GENDER. SEPERATE BRAINWAVES. SEPERATE SLEEP CYCLES. SEPERATE HUNGER CYCLES. The baby in the womb is DEPENDENT on the mother, but is not "for all intents and purposes part of the mother's body". So unless you have information that medical professionals who have been deep in the abortion industry for decades... YOU DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE BABY'S LIFE INSIDE THE MOTHER'S WOMB. THE PLACE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE AND SACRED. But hey, you think you know more than God, so you probably know more than those professionals too.

 

[Politruk]

Again... and get this clearly.... there are now countless doctors and nurses and aides who were DEEP in Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry who have left

But most have not. That tells you something even more important.

 

[JaySecrets]

No you didn't I have on multiple occasions stated my position on abortion.

How long will it take?> Most 5 year olds can feed themselves, so can a 5 year old die with out adult help sure. But it's not a 100% odd, however a 5 week old Fetus will die within seconds if removed from a woman s womb. Even a 5 month old Fetus, which is then born and becomes defined as a baby, may die even with all the science of modern medicine.

The above point make no sense.

There are abortion doctors and politicians who are openly endorsing post-birth abortion. Stating that if a baby is born but unwanted, the baby should be made comfortable while there is a discussion whether or not to KILL it! There are abortion doctors who have been caught DOING JUST THAT!! And should we discuss Planned Parenthood being caught in the sale of baby body parts? (Before you say that didn't happen, I saw the full, unabridged videos before Google and others in the pockets of libs and abortion mills took them down. That's EXACTLY what they were caught doing!) When you devalue live at its most innocent and vulnerable, NO LIFE IS SACRED!

 

[JaySecrets]

But most have not. That tells you something even more important.

Yes it does: That the money is DAMN good, and evil men and women will do anything to justify its gain.

 

[Politruk]

Yes it does: That the money is DAMN good, and evil men and women will do anything to justify its gain.

Not that. The money is no better than in any other field of medicine, after all.

 

[Politruk]

There are abortion doctors and politicians who are openly endorsing post-birth abortion. Stating that if a baby is born but unwanted, the baby should be made comfortable while there is a discussion whether or not to KILL it! There are abortion doctors who have been caught DOING JUST THAT!!

You are lying.

And should we discuss Planned Parenthood being caught in the sale of baby body parts? (Before you say that didn't happen, I saw the full, unabridged videos before Google and others in the pockets of libs and abortion mills took them down.

You are either lying or being lied to.

 

[Bn2f]

Well well, well glutton for punishment Jaysecretions back for another round of smack downs.

 

[Bn2f]

Post birth abortions

 

[Politruk]

4. Heavy pushes on the so-called vax for Covid-19. These things are a nightmare and are making things worse. Again, because of the purpose of this thread, I am not going to engage in the debate over the position. There are great threads and posts out there that have that debate. You can make up your own mind on that subject. I am very nervous that a push compromise on this, though, can and will lead to taking away freedom of choice on this issue. As with any vax issue, I believe failure to allow individual and family liberty on this is in fact a fundamental constitutional violation of individual rights and opens the door to far more egregious violations. Give a government an inch, they will take... everything!

If you speak of liberty to refuse vaccination, you only make liberty look bad and tyranny look good.