Impregnating and Domination - Is there a link

[Etoile]

I can handle the rest, you all got something against single fathers?

No formula or strangers, I don't think its the healthiest choice.

Strangers? What does a stranger have to do with it?

I don't think anybody has anything against single fathers; I think it was more about the way you worded the "after we finish with the boobs" bit. It kind of came across as just a teensy bit misogynist, I think. I also think it was said tongue in cheek, and the responses were a bit of dark humor...we're all just being silly here. Obviously a woman CAN contribute more to a child's upbringing than breastmilk, but nobody's saying she HAS to. We're all pretty clear on that, yes?

 

[graceanne]

I can handle the rest, you all got something against single fathers?

No formula or strangers, I don't think its the healthiest choice.

There's nothing wrong with single parents, but it's best(for the child/ren) if BOTH parents are involved. (Except in the case where one of the parents is unfit.)

 

[VelvetDarkness]

This makes sense to me and I appreciate the description.

I guess I've fantasized about the day I'm ready to have children, and the sex that will occur with the express intention of meeting that goal.

Never thought about what it'd be like to walk around with a beautiful pregnant woman though.

Never been preggers myself but I've seen friends' men get all protective and attentive in a smug alpha fashion when their women are knocked up. It's also a kudos thing at the bar too: 'look who just proved he ain't firing blanks!' I think there's something primal about it that appeals to a lot of kinksters. Women are more physically vulnerable when pregnant and more dependent on their man if they've quit work or whatever.

I agree that stuff like this is a far cry from allowing a PYL to decide when pregnancy occurs arbitrarily but as osg said; if you're on the same page, everything should be fine. It's one of those YMMV things.

Be interesting to see how a domme might work that kink. 'If I'm not pregnant this month, you useless little shit, I'm going to apply for donor sperm!' A pregnant domme must be something to behold too, all those hormones raging. That could be awesome for a pyl.

 

[Nymphomaniacal]

I dont wanna jump in here and get told that im wrong for my opinion but here we go.

I understand the main point, and the eroticism behind the idea of having my master/lover (depends on the day) get my pregnant, but we view it differently than maybe it has been said here yet.

Obviously, we both want to wait until we're absolutely ready to have a child, and that just isnt right now, so for the moment its a loving fantasy until we can. We both want children though, and believe that that would be the greatest gift and commitment to one another, would be making a life, a child together.

I guess in one respect the dominance doesn't come into play, since he and I usually discuss it on nights when we're feeling very loving and need the love making vs the dominance, but a few times he has phrased it in a very domly way. Basically, dumping his seed in me to claim my womb as his. Again, fantasy, but the idea is very sexy.

Maybe it IS because we know we arent ready just yet, but when we are I see it as both making the decision as well as him dominating me by claiming my womb and body with his seed if that makes sense. No way in hell is he telling ME when im ready for a kid, that would be a nice big blow up, yet when we do discuss it, and we do decide we're ready i think the dynamic might change. Some nights he might use me to impregnate me, others it will be loving.

Guess it really depends on the couple. I do know that he would be a wonderful father, and if fantasy became reality it wouldnt change how he feels. He'd stick around and help me raise the baby, take responsibility. I think its dangerous if it is some sort of kink that gets taken too far when you dont take responsibility for your actions when it does turn into more than a kink.

 

[ecstaticsub]

I keep thinking that pregnancy isn't something that can be ordered. I tried for 2 years to get pregnant then went through surgery, drug therapy etc and then ended up using a ovulation predictor kit in order to get pregnant both times. (I figured out I have a wicked small window of opportunity due to endometriosis).

My point is that when you do want a baby it can be wicked stressful not being able to conceive after a period of trying. If there was a D/s dynamic to it I would think that would make things even more stressful and self-defeating. I know as a submissive when something out of my control prevents me from completing a assigned task or doing something as ordered I still see it as my fault.

Geting pregnant isn't always something you can control (or someone else can control)

(It's training for when the babies arrive, they sure aren't easy to control either)

 

[ZRT]

There's nothing wrong with single parents, but it's best(for the child/ren) if BOTH parents are involved. (Except in the case where one of the parents is unfit.)

I tend to regard single parents as making the best of a bad situation. It's a blatantly less-than-ideal situation for both the parent and the child/ren, as you say.

 

[xNaughtyKittenx]

The ultimate mark upon a woman's body. A collar can be removed, but when her round tummy on display for all to see, that is the ultimate submission.

I definitely gotta agree with that.

While I haven't been pregnant, I think the idea of having a big round belly is extremely hot and sexy!

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I think its dangerous if it is some sort of kink that gets taken too far when you dont take responsibility for your actions when it does turn into more than a kink.

I understand your point here but this comment is true of so many things.

I'm not directing this at you Nymph, this is just my tuppence.

Yes, a baby is a great deal more than a kink but surely conception can also fall into the SSC/RACK responsibility bracket just like anything else. We bang on about contraception here like it's the latest sectarian faith but as far as Mother Earth is concerned, babies are the whole point of fucking. Given that any couple engaging in PIV sex should be aware that despite the best intentions, pregnancy can ensue, is it so far a leap to turn that on its head and be supportive of conception/pregnancy kink if the child is wanted and the dynamic is healthy?

I have to confess that I get a little tired of the whole disclaimer culture on these forums. Should it not go without saying that a child should be wanted and cherished, a relationship should be healthy and the couple concerned should be on the same page as regards family planning? Why does every poster feel the need to reiterate that in what ought to be bolded text? The OP is married, committed and a father already. He is not talking about reckless behaviour here and yet everyone jumps in with both feet and a handful of 'buts.' I'm sure there are a great many female pyls here who would never dream of letting their partner decide when to get them pregnant. I am one of them, because of my own health issues and the risk they would pose to myself and a foetus.

Yes, the 'natural order of things' bollocks was a bit of a red flag but if that's the OP's kink, he's happy with it, his missus is happy with it and their kids are loved & provided for, who the hell cares?

Ok, end rant.

 

[Etoile]

if the child is wanted

Boom. That, right there.

 

[Nymphomaniacal]

I understand your point here but this comment is true of so many things.

I'm not directing this at you Nymph, this is just my tuppence.

Yes, a baby is a great deal more than a kink but surely conception can also fall into the SSC/RACK responsibility bracket just like anything else. We bang on about contraception here like it's the latest sectarian faith but as far as Mother Earth is concerned, babies are the whole point of fucking. Given that any couple engaging in PIV sex should be aware that despite the best intentions, pregnancy can ensue, is it so far a leap to turn that on its head and be supportive of conception/pregnancy kink if the child is wanted and the dynamic is healthy?

I have to confess that I get a little tired of the whole disclaimer culture on these forums. Should it not go without saying that a child should be wanted and cherished, a relationship should be healthy and the couple concerned should be on the same page as regards family planning? Why does every poster feel the need to reiterate that in what ought to be bolded text? The OP is married, committed and a father already. He is not talking about reckless behaviour here and yet everyone jumps in with both feet and a handful of 'buts.' I'm sure there are a great many female pyls here who would never dream of letting their partner decide when to get them pregnant. I am one of them, because of my own health issues and the risk they would pose to myself and a foetus.

Yes, the 'natural order of things' bollocks was a bit of a red flag but if that's the OP's kink, he's happy with it, his missus is happy with it and their kids are loved & provided for, who the hell cares?

Ok, end rant.

I agree wholeheartedly with you, that Again it is the natural order of things that fucking --> pregnancy ---> child. I also agree that many people have jumped in that its only reckless behavior that he is speaking of. Again, a reason why Im on birth control, havent stopped it is because it IS about making sure the child is wanted, and that you will be able to provide for and love it.

On another note, with the parasitic talk that Intothewoods, Syd and Grace were talking about, my boy is on a political website arguing at the moment about how exactly a fetus is technically a parasite. These people are up in damned arms about him even hinting that a baby could be parasitic. I giggled.

End of hijacking

 

[YourCaptor]

Strangers? What does a stranger have to do with it?

I don't think anybody has anything against single fathers; I think it was more about the way you worded the "after we finish with the boobs" bit. It kind of came across as just a teensy bit misogynist, I think. I also think it was said tongue in cheek, and the responses were a bit of dark humor...we're all just being silly here. Obviously a woman CAN contribute more to a child's upbringing than breastmilk, but nobody's saying she HAS to. We're all pretty clear on that, yes?

There's nothing wrong with single parents, but it's best(for the child/ren) if BOTH parents are involved. (Except in the case where one of the parents is unfit.)

Yea, but, no messing with my babies.

 

[nh23]

This I can sort of in a very alternate universe kind of way understand. The pyl submits to the PYL's decision re: when to get pregnant, possibly how to give birth, how the child would be raised, yadayadayada. A stretch, but I can see it.

It does make me wonder though - a little while ago OSG mentioned that her Master made the decision she would terminate a pregnancy. A few people mentioned discomfort at the idea. Is the concept of dominating a woman through impregnation as discomforting, and if not - why?

It's just as discomforting to me. Either way I don't think that children are part of a D/s or M/s relationship. I chose this lifestyle for myself. It has nothing to do with them. If the couple both wants a child that's different. But if the female doesn't want children and the male makes the decision to have them anyway, I find that disturbing on many different levels. I would seriously worry about the kind of life those children would end up having, with a Mother that doesn't want them.

 

[EmpressFi]

I keep thinking that pregnancy isn't something that can be ordered. I tried for 2 years to get pregnant then went through surgery, drug therapy etc and then ended up using a ovulation predictor kit in order to get pregnant both times. (I figured out I have a wicked small window of opportunity due to endometriosis).

My point is that when you do want a baby it can be wicked stressful not being able to conceive after a period of trying. If there was a D/s dynamic to it I would think that would make things even more stressful and self-defeating. I know as a submissive when something out of my control prevents me from completing a assigned task or doing something as ordered I still see it as my fault.

Geting pregnant isn't always something you can control (or someone else can control)

(It's training for when the babies arrive, they sure aren't easy to control either)

There's so much in here I could highlight, so I'll do the whole thing.

8 years it took for me to get pregnant. I blamed myself for a lot, called myself a broken woman, wondered why Malin stayed with me.... add a D/s mindset to that and I would have needed therapy

 

[ShyIndependent]

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[callinectes]

The ultimate mark upon a woman's body. A collar can be removed, but when her round tummy on display for all to see, that is the ultimate submission.

Thoughts?

Nope, sorry. Orgasm on command is the ultimate submission.

Seriously though...I am not getting the connection and I pity the child that is the product of such a union.

 

[JMohegan]

Nope, sorry. Orgasm on command is the ultimate submission.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!











[Nice memory, woman. ]

 

[Marquis]

I would never, ever, ever in a million years let a guy TELL me that I'm going to get pregnant, much less when how and where.

Natural order of things, my ass.

Bitch you gettin pregnant next thursday.

Clear your calendar.

 

[Marquis]

Seriously though...I am not getting the connection and I pity the child that is the product of such a union.

I envy the child.

I would rather be the product of a deep desire than the unfortunate consequence of casual sex sans precaution - which I am.

 

[Netzach]

I envy the child.

I would rather be the product of a deep desire than the unfortunate consequence of casual sex sans precaution - which I am.

Oops followed by demented subterfuge isn't much better.

 

[Marquis]

Oops followed by demented subterfuge isn't much better.

Oh, I had generous servings of demented subterfuge.

 

[Netzach]

Oh, I had generous servings of demented subterfuge.

I believe it, there's a lot to go around.

I just also consider "subbie bear me a child NOW" as another form thereof, unless there's some really really tight planning in action.

 

[Adakgirl]

<<<<<<< Unused one-of a- kind uterus for lease, sale or trade! Excellent condition! Quality materials and construction....textbook cervix attached. Older eggs so willing to make a deal!>>>>>>>>Call 1-696-6969 before biological clock runs out!

 

[myinnerslut]

<<<<<<< Unused one-of a- kind uterus for lease, sale or trade! Excellent condition! Quality materials and construction....textbook cervix attached. Older eggs so willing to make a deal!>>>>>>>>Call 1-696-6969 before biological clock runs out!

the above reads as:

"my biological clock is tick-tick-ticking and i want babies now!"

good movie

 

[Adakgirl]

Actually it was a joke, thought I have always wished to have at least one child things just didn't work out for me that way. My first husband cam home after our first week of marriage with his balls all bandaged up. He had had a Vasectomy that day without saying a word to me about it.

Though we had lived together for two years and he had told me that he had 2 kids from another marriage and didn't want anymore...I was foolish enough to believe I could eventually get him to change his mind..my god he was only 25 & I was 23. So I married him anyway. then he didn't tell me about his decision to get cut and had it done without my knowledge. That's when I should have left him right then...but we were just married and I loved him very much, I learned to accept it and stayed another 10 yrs.

My second marriage we tried, but it turned out that something had been damaged years before when he had worked for years as a professional bouncer and also later personal body guard. So he had an almost 0 sperm count. By the time that was over...it was too late for me to have a child.

I will be 51yrs old on Sunday and realistically my eggs are just too old. Though I am physically in shape and could easily carry a child full term. Old eggs give a high possibility of birth defects. So that is that.

 

[Adakgirl]

I'd am going to add that..... the thought of a man impregnating me with his seed & carrying his child has always been extremely arousing to me. In fact it still is. I understand that the reality is completely unlike the fantasy...but still