John Engelman, come on down.

[Rainblow]

Wow Discover magazine is now some scientific source. Can you find anything in Cosmopolitan and Huis genoot? What about Ebony magazine?

Good going. Appear and make 1 post of insults and swear words and off you go. Well you know the saying, Don't slam the door.....

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/racist-beginnings-standardized-testing

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...ng-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/th...15797120/race-black-white-iq-response-critics

https://blog.donders.ru.nl/?p=12203&lang=en

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/richard-lynn

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/socially-valued-not-inherently-valuable

https://rethinkingschools.org/articles/an-untold-story-of-resistance/

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social...transcripts-and-maps/iq-and-testing-critiques

https://study.com/academy/lesson/group-differences-in-intelligence-test-scores.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...tween-races-heres-what-that-really-means/amp/

https://news.stanford.edu/pr/95/950816Arc5120.html

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html?_r=1

https://www.123test.com/iq-scores-and-differences/

https://the-ard.com/2021/06/24/unpack-the-history-of-iq-testing-anti-racism-daily/?amp=1

https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...nited-states/8307BB2E29680660B9F91818DAD7E26B

https://www.pearsonassessments.com/...s-in-iq-test-scores--the-case-for-enviro.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ept/iq-tests-a-tool-for-discrimination-25586/

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/jason-richwine-race-iq-genetics-95765.html?_amp=true

https://www.parlia.com/o/iq-tests-are-racist

https://aninjusticemag.com/standardized-test-architects-are-racist-gatekeepers-c0c467a66e35

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/13/ibram_x_kendi_intelligence_tests_education

https://psmag.com/.amp/social-justice/how-iq-tests-are-perverted-to-justify-the-death-penalty

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/24/scientific-racism-rears-its-ugly-head-once-again

https://www.npr.org/2007/12/19/17410368/iq-test-is-also-a-measure-of-society-author-says

https://www.grunge.com/198066/the-messed-up-truth-behind-iq-tests/

https://truthout.org/video/iq-tests-sat-scores-and-other-intelligence-tests-propagate-racism/

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...race-and-iq-take-it-from-someone-who-did.html

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Shall I go on or do you still need me to hold your hand?

Rainbow, did you read the entire article? I did.

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Do IQ Tests Actually Measure Intelligence?​

The assessments have been around for over 100 years. Experts say they’ve been plagued by bias, but still have some merit.​

By Allison WhittenJul 1, 2020 11:14 AM

Another issue is the cultural bias baked into the nature of the test itself...

“(IQ tests) are culturally, linguistically and economically biased against minoritized students, in particular Black, first and foremost, and then Hispanic,” says Ford. “If these tests were not biased, we wouldn’t have different IQ scores along racial and ethnic lines — but we do. It’s an indication that there is something wrong with these tests, not with us.”

Ford’s research, along with work by many others, shows that the use of biased IQ tests is keeping many bright minority students out of gifted education programs. Ford has been studying multicultural gifted education for over 30 years and notes that while there has been some improvement for Hispanics, she hasn’t seen any meaningful improvement in the representation of Black students...

Although improvements are needed, both Ford and Dombrowski agree that IQ tests can still be useful as one part of an overall assessment of the whole person.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/do-iq-tests-actually-measure-intelligence

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Although IQ tests were originally designed for whites, it was quickly discovered that Orientals tended to perform better on the tests than whites, and consequently much better than Negroes. This was true even when the Orientals were poor, and spoke English as a second language.

I have read in several sources, so I suspect that it is true, that when mental aptitude tests are held constant, whites still tend to perform better than Negroes. Consequently, it cannot be said that Negroes have different abilities, not measured by the tests, that enable them to perform well in school and on the job. By every objective, measurable criterion, Negroes tend to perform less well intellectually than whites and Orientals. This is impressive evidence for genetic determinism, hereditarianism, and race realism.

Lol, you've cherry picked and taken out of context one sentence in the article and still managed to support my argument. Lame.

 

[JohnEngelman]

rofl
this post got a like from Kradder

I am glad it did. He lives in South Africa. One needs to see blacks up close to know what most of them are really like.

 

[JohnEngelman]

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/racist-beginnings-standardized-testing

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...ng-the-connection-between-race-and-iq/275876/

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/th...15797120/race-black-white-iq-response-critics

https://blog.donders.ru.nl/?p=12203&lang=en

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/richard-lynn

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/socially-valued-not-inherently-valuable

https://rethinkingschools.org/articles/an-untold-story-of-resistance/

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social...transcripts-and-maps/iq-and-testing-critiques

https://study.com/academy/lesson/group-differences-in-intelligence-test-scores.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...tween-races-heres-what-that-really-means/amp/

https://news.stanford.edu/pr/95/950816Arc5120.html

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html?_r=1

https://www.123test.com/iq-scores-and-differences/

https://the-ard.com/2021/06/24/unpack-the-history-of-iq-testing-anti-racism-daily/?amp=1

https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...nited-states/8307BB2E29680660B9F91818DAD7E26B

https://www.pearsonassessments.com/...s-in-iq-test-scores--the-case-for-enviro.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ept/iq-tests-a-tool-for-discrimination-25586/

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/jason-richwine-race-iq-genetics-95765.html?_amp=true

https://www.parlia.com/o/iq-tests-are-racist

https://aninjusticemag.com/standardized-test-architects-are-racist-gatekeepers-c0c467a66e35

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/13/ibram_x_kendi_intelligence_tests_education

https://psmag.com/.amp/social-justice/how-iq-tests-are-perverted-to-justify-the-death-penalty

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/24/scientific-racism-rears-its-ugly-head-once-again

https://www.npr.org/2007/12/19/17410368/iq-test-is-also-a-measure-of-society-author-says

https://www.grunge.com/198066/the-messed-up-truth-behind-iq-tests/

https://truthout.org/video/iq-tests-sat-scores-and-other-intelligence-tests-propagate-racism/

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...race-and-iq-take-it-from-someone-who-did.html

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Shall I go on or do you still need me to hold your hand?


Lol, you've cherry picked and taken out of context one sentence in the article and still managed to support my argument. Lame.

Obviously I disagree with the central thrust of the argument but I agree with part of it. Did you read all of those essays you want me to read? If so, convey their arguments in your own words. If you can't do that, you do not understand them yourself. I doubt you even read them.

Anyone can find stuff on the internet they like. The internet should be used to document factual assertions made in one's own arguments. That is the way I use it.

Bill Gates founded Microsoft, which we both use to write these comments. He has an IQ of 160. He has said, "Software is an IQ business. Microsoft must win the IQ war, or we won't have a future."

https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...th-about-income-inequality-in-america/252892/

One of the essays you ask me to read, but probably have not read yourself is\
https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/racist-beginnings-standardized-testing

Another essay listed is\
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/24/scientific-racism-rears-its-ugly-head-once-again

I have already pointed out that when IQ testing began it was soon discovered that Orientals tended to perform better than white Gentiles, even when the Orientals were poor. Ashkenazi Jews had better averages than even Orientals.

I noticed the name of Ibram x Kendi.
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/13/ibram_x_kendi_intelligence_tests_education

This is my book review of his book How to be an Antiracist:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3FOM0BVT2JFYP?ref=pf_ov_at_pdctrvw_srp

I wrote the review myself. Try doing that sometime.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What do you expect from two racists peas in a pod?

You have never refuted either of us. Instead you post implied death threats against me, in violation of this Rule:

5. Do not threaten other people. Do not post images or words directly or indirectly implying threats of physical harm.
https://www.literotica.com/support/forum_rules.shtml

 

[JohnEngelman]

the other funny thing is - they all are in such awe of themselves

as if,
just because their ethnicity scored high on tests
they themselves are high IQers.

Unlike those who identify with the alt right I draw attention to the high IQ averages of Ashkenazi Jews and Orientals.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Race, Intelligence, and the Brain: The Errors and Omissions of the Revised Edition of S. J. Gould's The Mismeasure of Man (1996)

Personality and Individual Differences, Vol. 23, No. 1 (July 1997), pp. 169-180

by J. Philippe Rushton
Department of Psychology, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario N6A 5C2, Canada

Gould withholds from his readers that The Bell Curve is mainly an empirical work about the causes of social stratification and that it reached its conclusions only after fully analyzing a 12-year longitudinal study of 12,486 youths (3,022 of whom were African American) which showed that most 17-year-olds with high IQs (Blacks as well as Whites) went on to occupational success by their late 20s and early 30s whereas many of those with low IQs (both Black and White) went on to welfare dependency. The average IQ for African Americans was found to be lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115, respectively, pp. 273-278). Failure to mention these data fosters the false belief that IQ tests are not predictive and are biased in favor of North Europeans.

https://fathersmanifesto.net/rushtongould.htm

 

[JohnEngelman]

My book review of J. Gould's The Mismeasure of Man can be found here:

https://www.amazon.com/review/RHO8YJ618OUMX

 

[Chobham]

https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/racist-beginnings-standardized-testing




Lol, you've cherry picked and taken out of context one sentence in the article and still managed to support my argument. Lame.

You have no argument, you have an extensive list of opinions, but no argument.

As JE has pointed out, IQ is the single most significant indicator of success. It is not the only indicator but it is the most significant. Conscientiousness is the second most important indicator.

In several of the articles that I bothered to peruse the authors freely commingle IQ tests with aptitude tests. They are NOT the same. Aptitude tests measure what you've learned, IQ tests measure your ability to learn. Aptitude tests MAY indicate an elevated IQ but a poor result on an aptitude test does NOT necessarily indicate a low IQ. Giving a Math aptitude test to someone that has never been taught math and concluding that the poor score is an indication of low IQ is as stupid as it is unreasonable. SAT and ACT tests are aptitude tests and low scores on those test can as easily be attributed to the test subject having gone to a shitty school as it can low IQ. On this I agree with SOME of the authors.

My beef with JE has to do with behavior, criminal behavior in particular. I believe that that is due more to environmental/cultural elements than with IQ and/or genetic origins. There is a growing body of research in this area that indicates I have the upper hand in that particular argument.

 

[Rotadom]

If IQ is the most significant indicator, what test do you compare an IQ test with to test your theory?

What "growing body of research" supports your argument versus his?

 

[Rainblow]

Obviously I disagree with the central thrust of the argument but I agree with part of it. Did you read all of those essays you want me to read? If so, convey their arguments in your own words. If you can't do that, you do not understand them yourself. I doubt you even read them.

Anyone can find stuff on the internet they like. The internet should be used to document factual assertions made in one's own arguments. That is the way I use it.

Bill Gates founded Microsoft, which we both use to write these comments. He has an IQ of 160. He has said, "Software is an IQ business. Microsoft must win the IQ war, or we won't have a future."

https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...th-about-income-inequality-in-america/252892/

One of the essays you ask me to read, but probably have not read yourself is\
https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/racist-beginnings-standardized-testing

Another essay listed is\
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/24/scientific-racism-rears-its-ugly-head-once-again

I have already pointed out that when IQ testing began it was soon discovered that Orientals tended to perform better than white Gentiles, even when the Orientals were poor. Ashkenazi Jews had better averages than even Orientals.

I noticed the name of Ibram x Kendi.
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/13/ibram_x_kendi_intelligence_tests_education

This is my book review of his book How to be an Antiracist:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3FOM0BVT2JFYP?ref=pf_ov_at_pdctrvw_srp

I wrote the review myself. Try doing that sometime.

Of course I've read all of them. And understood them as you do not. My reply was to Krapper and his scoffing at my original link and being unwilling to do his own research. In Canada we don't use IQ tests or standardized testing. Also in Canada the drivel and terms you use would be considered a hate crime. I'm not going to argue with you. You are the true definition of a subhuman.

You have no argument, you have an extensive list of opinions, but no argument.

As JE has pointed out, IQ is the single most significant indicator of success. It is not the only indicator but it is the most significant. Conscientiousness is the second most important indicator.

In several of the articles that I bothered to peruse the authors freely commingle IQ tests with aptitude tests. They are NOT the same. Aptitude tests measure what you've learned, IQ tests measure your ability to learn. Aptitude tests MAY indicate an elevated IQ but a poor result on an aptitude test does NOT necessarily indicate a low IQ. Giving a Math aptitude test to someone that has never been taught math and concluding that the poor score is an indication of low IQ is as stupid as it is unreasonable. SAT and ACT tests are aptitude tests and low scores on those test can as easily be attributed to the test subject having gone to a shitty school as it can low IQ. On this I agree with SOME of the authors.

My beef with JE has to do with behavior, criminal behavior in particular. I believe that that is due more to environmental/cultural elements than with IQ and/or genetic origins. There is a growing body of research in this area that indicates I have the upper hand in that particular argument.

Fuck off bellysores. IQ tests measure motivation, enriched learning environments and are a better measure of society's failings than any sign of intelligence. The more money you offer a kid to do the ridiculously outdated and racist IQ test the higher their scores.
If you didn't live in a third world shit hole you would know that majority of advanced, first world nations stopped using them and standardized testing years ago. And tbh idgaf what your argument is I was slamming Krapper for being lazy, dismissive and being unable to produce any argument or link that would support his pov. I've noticed the subhuman and Krapper can't refute an argument or back up their racist beliefs beyond using outdated, hateful terms and perpetuating stale ideologies that would land them in jail here.

 

[JohnEngelman]

My beef with JE has to do with behavior, criminal behavior in particular. I believe that that is due more to environmental/cultural elements than with IQ and/or genetic origins. There is a growing body of research in this area that indicates I have the upper hand in that particular argument.

Two genes linked with violent crime​

BBC, October 28, 2014

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.
Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.
The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

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Such a link has been associated by a research team led by Michael Vaughn of Saint Louis Univeristy. He and his collegues looked at the MAO-A promoters in African-Americans. The subjects were the same 2,524 American yuths in the study by Shih mentioned above. Of the African American men in the sample, 5% carried two MAO-A promoters, the condition that Shih had found to be associated with higher levels of delinquency. Members of the two promoter group were significantly more likely to be arrested and imprisoned than African Americans who carried three of four promoters. The same comparison could not be made in white, or Caucasian males, the researchers report, because only 0.1% carry the two promoter allele.

- Nicholas Wade, A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, page 56

-----------

What we have here are two gene alleles that were first discovered in a white Finish family, and which are associated with violent crime. Once the gene alleles were discovered it was further discovered that 5% of Negroes have them, but only 0.1% of white do.

This is just the beginning. For decades there have been powerful taboos and sanctions against looking for gene alleles that influence criminal behavior. During these decades efforts to "get to the root cause of crime" by reducing crime and racial inequality have failed to reduce. Increased incarceration rates have succeeded. As time goes on beliefs once dismissed as "scientific racism" are being scientifically substantiated.

If anti racists were confident in the truth of what they claim to believe they would welcome a candid, open debate on these subjects. Instead they try to suppress the debate by punishing those with the courage to draw attention to the connection between gene alleles, intelligence, crime, and race.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Of course I've read all of them. And understood them as you do not. My reply was to Krapper and his scoffing at my original link and being unwilling to do his own research. In Canada we don't use IQ tests or standardized testing. Also in Canada the drivel and terms you use would be considered a hate crime. I'm not going to argue with you. You are the true definition of a subhuman.

If you have read them write an essay using your own words demonstrating that you have assimilated them.

So called "hate crimes" are thought crimes. Behavior is not punished, but expressing inconvenient truths is.

 

[ll74]

Two genes linked with violent crime​

BBC, October 28, 2014

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.
Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.
The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

-----------

Such a link has been associated by a research team led by Michael Vaughn of Saint Louis Univeristy. He and his collegues looked at the MAO-A promoters in African-Americans. The subjects were the same 2,524 American yuths in the study by Shih mentioned above. Of the African American men in the sample, 5% carried two MAO-A promoters, the condition that Shih had found to be associated with higher levels of delinquency. Members of the two promoter group were significantly more likely to be arrested and imprisoned than African Americans who carried three of four promoters. The same comparison could not be made in white, or Caucasian males, the researchers report, because only 0.1% carry the two promoter allele.

- Nicholas Wade, A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, page 56

-----------

What we have here are two gene alleles that were first discovered in a white Finish family, and which are associated with violent crime. Once the gene alleles were discovered it was further discovered that 5% of Negroes have them, but only 0.1% of white do.

This is just the beginning. For decades there have been powerful taboos and sanctions against looking for gene alleles that influence criminal behavior. During these decades efforts to "get to the root cause of crime" by reducing crime and racial inequality have failed to reduce. Increased incarceration rates have succeeded. As time goes on beliefs once dismissed as "scientific racism" are being scientifically substantiated.

If anti racists were confident in the truth of what they claim to believe they would welcome a candid, open debate on these subjects. Instead they try to suppress the debate by punishing those with the courage to draw attention to the connection between gene alleles, intelligence, crime, and race.

Genes are not a valid predictor of behavior. Sorry. Keep trying.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Genes are not a valid predictor of behavior. Sorry. Keep trying.

Increasingly the science of genetics disproves what you want to believe.

 

[ll74]

Increasingly the science of genetics disproves what you want to believe.

No, science doesn't.

 

[mayfly13]

Fuck off bellysores. IQ tests measure motivation, enriched learning environments and are a better measure of society's failings than any sign of intelligence. The more money you offer a kid to do the ridiculously outdated and racist IQ test the higher their scores.

If you didn't live in a third world shit hole you would know that majority of advanced, first world nations stopped using them and standardized testing years ago. And tbh idgaf what your argument is I was slamming Krapper for being lazy, dismissive and being unable to produce any argument or link that would support his pov. I've noticed the subhuman and Krapper can't refute an argument or back up their racist beliefs beyond using outdated, hateful terms and perpetuating stale ideologies that would land them in jail here.

I didn't know that -- that they stopped doing them routinely in Western White countries.
See, Eastern White countries, --starting with Russia-- never did them routinely. They only did them on occasion to satisfy their curiosoty re top chess players or mathematicians.


RainB, three threads emerged to this conversation.
First one is what do IQ tests measure --- how much innate versus how much acquired.
The second one - are IQ tests positively biased towards AngloSax education?

(as I mentioned before , I believe they are. For example, I'm fuming that I haven't done the Critical Thinking paper 20 years ago. It would have ade y life 10 times easier. CT is also amply taught in Law School, which partially explains Lance's agility around arguments)​

The third thread is -- were IQ tests ever used with racist intent in mind?




+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



I'm particularly fascinated by the third one.

See, I'm fascinated by world war 2 -- I think that Hitler was a patsy.
That his scientific-measurement racist ideology was widely embraced in England and Germany at the time.
And that Americans did that "it was just Hitler" propaganda for the right reason.

I'm also fascinated because my experience with a few Chinese immigrants (who lived in China or Indonesian countries)made e shudder -- they, too hold scientific-racist ideologies, masquerading as culture-based racism.

Racism in Eastern Europe, Greece and Middle East is just as bad, but it has a different feel -- it's less organized, more chaotic and emotion-based.
I presume that racism in Native American, Australian populations is just as bad, and also has it's own peculiar ideology.




How do You see this topic?

 

[JohnEngelman]

No, science doesn't.

Read my comment #121.

 

[Rainblow]

I didn't know that -- that they stopped doing them routinely in Western White countries.
See, Eastern White countries, --starting with Russia-- never did them routinely. They only did them on occasion to satisfy their curiosoty re top chess players or mathematicians.


RainB, three threads emerged to this conversation.
First one is what do IQ tests measure --- how much innate versus how much acquired.
The second one - are IQ tests positively biased towards AngloSax education?

(as I mentioned before , I believe they are. For example, I'm fuming that I haven't done the Critical Thinking paper 20 years ago. It would have ade y life 10 times easier. CT is also amply taught in Law School, which partially explains Lance's agility around arguments)​

The third thread is -- were IQ tests ever used with racist intent in mind?




+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



I'm particularly fascinated by the third one.

See, I'm fascinated by world war 2 -- I think that Hitler was a patsy.
That his scientific-measurement racist ideology was widely embraced in England and Germany at the time.
And that Americans did that "it was just Hitler" propaganda for the right reason.

I'm also fascinated because my experience with a few Chinese immigrants (who lived in China or Indonesian countries)made e shudder -- they, too hold scientific-racist ideologies, masquerading as culture-based racism.

Racism in Eastern Europe, Greece and Middle East is just as bad, but it has a different feel -- it's less organized, more chaotic and emotion-based.
I presume that racism in Native American, Australian populations is just as bad, and also has it's own peculiar ideology.




How do You see this topic?

Interesting that you mention eugenicists being a predominant school of thought back in the day. I have an original copy of the New Yorker (1937 or thereabouts) praising Hitler. When I get home I'll send it to you. You'd be surprised at the number of generally respected historical figures that believed in that shite. IQ tests are also sexist as well as racist and are culturally biased. The only time we use anything even remotely resembling a heavily modified IQ test is using it to determine if a student needs academic assistance (either to focus on a particular area or to determine if they would benefit from enriched classes) and then it's modified form is used in conjunction with a plethora of other tests for example a depression test that span several days of testing and doesn't rely solely on one specific test alone. My son was tested in school and has reached genius level in several areas of academic study but he dropped out of school whereas my step daughter attended and finished university becauseshe was a hard and motivated worker. She would often say to my son if you put in a quarter of the effort I do into school work you'd be getting straight As.
And fuck off stupid racists I'm talking to Mayfly not you so don't bother responding to my post.

 

[ll74]

Read my comment #121.

You found a study that agrees with you. That's not the same thing, genius. One study or even two studies don't resolve scientific theory especially when I can find multiple studies that disagree

Genetics play a factor in behavior. No one disputes that. It does not decide it outright.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Interesting that you mention eugenicists being a predominant school of thought back in the day. I have an original copy of the New Yorker (1937 or thereabouts) praising Hitler.

You are committing the guilt by association fallacy. In the guilt by association fallacy one associates a belief one dislikes with a person that is universally disliked. Hitler is a poor rebuttal of eugenics because the Nazis tried to exterminate Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews have IQ averages of 115. It is ironic that the the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence has led to the belief that there are no inferior races.

 

[mayfly13]

Interesting that you mention eugenicists being a predominant school of thought back in the day. I have an original copy of the New Yorker (1937 or thereabouts) praising Hitler. When I get home I'll send it to you.

please DO, I'm very interested.
Take care, challenging difficult times

You'd be surprised at the number of generally respected historical figures that believed in that shite. IQ tests are also sexist as well as racist and are culturally biased.

Oh yeah, we forgot about the sexist part.
doesn't bother me if they believe in it, it's how they might use it. Because I looked at IQ tests by country, and the more 'wog" or black you are, the more you are at the bottom. I can easily imagine scenarios in the most rugged, cut-throat Australian rural places.

The only time we use anything even remotely resembling a heavily modified IQ test is using it to determine if a student needs academic assistance (either to focus on a particular area or to determine if they would benefit from enriched classes) and then it's modified form is used in conjunction with a plethora of other tests for example a depression test that span several days of testing and doesn't rely solely on one specific test alone. My son was tested in school and has reached genius level in several areas of academic study but he dropped out of school whereas my step daughter attended and finished university becauseshe was a hard and motivated worker. She would often say to my son if you put in a quarter of the effort I do into school work you'd be getting straight As.

once again, Canada shows the world what true progressivism is.
You guys had a horrid hidden history (like the boneyards in schools of kids taken from their families) but continue to move forward. Unlike the US, which over the last two decades has been moving backward

And fuck off stupid racists I'm talking to Mayfly not you so don't bother responding to my post.

lol ditto

 

[Rainblow]

You are committing the guilt by association fallacy. In the guilt by association fallacy one associates a belief one dislikes with a person that is universally disliked. Hitler is a poor rebuttal of eugenics because the Nazis tried to exterminate Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews have IQ averages of 115. It is ironic that the the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence has led to the belief that there are no inferior races.

Oh, do fuck off. I told you not to respond but I guess your reading comprehension is subpar.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You found a study that agrees with you. That's not the same thing, genius. One study or even two studies don't resolve scientific theory especially when I can find multiple studies that disagree

Genetics play a factor in behavior. No one disputes that. It does not decide it outright.

The science of genetic criminology is in its infancy. Many people want to strangle the baby in its crib because they fear the legal and political results of a consensus that criminal behavior is largely determined genetically.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Oh, do fuck off. I told you not to respond but I guess your reading comprehension is subpar.

Insults and obscene words are all you have. Canadian laws against the expression of facts pertaining to the importance of genetically determined IQ differences do not mean that the differences do not exist. They mean that many people fear the truth.

 

[Rainblow]

Insults and obscene words are all you have. Canadian laws against the expression of facts pertaining to the importance of genetically determined IQ differences do not mean that the differences do not exist. They mean that many people fear the truth.

Insults and obscene words are all you deserve.