Let's discuss policies and issues

[TastySuckToy]

Tell you what, if I become president, I will set aside a portion of Detroit and declare it an anarchist reservation. People who move there would not have to pay a cent in taxes. Of course they would receive absolutely no services either. You could work together all you want to build whatever you want. Let's see if you can rejuvenate Detroit.

Do you think this fantasy scenario you wrote is any kind of argument or rebuttal to what I said?

 

[bejjinks]

Do you think this fantasy scenario you wrote is any kind of argument or rebuttal to what I said?

No. But if I become president, I'll do it anyway.

 

[Chernosoth]

I disagree with you. If you wanted to shut down specific agencies, we might talk about those specific agencies but many of these agencies are preventing monopolies and dictatorships so I would want to keep many of them. Also, we seriously need a Department of Education in particular. This allowing parents to not teach their children is a large part of why America is falling apart. I'm not saying that everyone should go to public education but someone needs to make sure kids are getting an education.

I don't see a benefit of keeping bureaucrats who work for the monopolies, rackets, and corporate crime syndicates. An example of corporate aid by bureaucracy is the covid shutdown that killed vast numbers of small businesses and self-employment and enriched a few giant corporations like Amazon. Most of those will be dying off as dinosaurs, so I could look for ways to nudge them along into their extinctions.

I see the Department of Education having a big role in making education worse. It's not the only organization responsible. There is plenty more blame for the entire field, including private schools. A recent example there is my elementary school. It was an ordinary suburban school with around 600 students. The district demolished it and and a few more schools some years ago because it couldn't afford all the schools it had with current design parameters and regulations. The students in those neighborhoods must now ride buses or their parents' cars to the fewer remaining schools. From my childhood home to the closest remaining school is 1.3 miles. That's a short walk for a country kid or a short ride for a kid on a bike, but across a main road with too much traffic for little kids. The busing is an extra expense for an entire district moving in the wrong direction, more consolidation into giant schools. That trend started with a belief in "efficiency," but the result is worse education and generally miserable experiences in schools designed and run like prisons. Schools need to be smaller and more local, like in someone's living room, one room schoolhouses, or any space a teacher can find to teach.

 

[bejjinks]

I don't see a benefit of keeping bureaucrats who work for the monopolies, rackets, and corporate crime syndicates. An example of corporate aid by bureaucracy is the covid shutdown that killed vast numbers of small businesses and self-employment and enriched a few giant corporations like Amazon. Most of those will be dying off as dinosaurs, so I could look for ways to nudge them along into their extinctions.

I see the Department of Education having a big role in making education worse. It's not the only organization responsible. There is plenty more blame for the entire field, including private schools. A recent example there is my elementary school. It was an ordinary suburban school with around 600 students. The district demolished it and and a few more schools some years ago because it couldn't afford all the schools it had with current design parameters and regulations. The students in those neighborhoods must now ride buses or their parents' cars to the fewer remaining schools. From my childhood home to the closest remaining school is 1.3 miles. That's a short walk for a country kid or a short ride for a kid on a bike, but across a main road with too much traffic for little kids. The busing is an extra expense for an entire district moving in the wrong direction, more consolidation into giant schools. That trend started with a belief in "efficiency," but the result is worse education and generally miserable experiences in schools designed and run like prisons. Schools need to be smaller and more local, like in someone's living room, one room schoolhouses, or any space a teacher can find to teach.

Again, which "bureaucrats" work for monopolies, rackets and corporate crime syndicates. I am not asking for names since we are not talking about politicians but which agencies? Or are you just blanket blaming all agencies because you don't know what any of them actually do.

Are you going to address the issue that many of these parents that "teach" their kids in their living rooms aren't actually teaching their kids at all?

 

[Chernosoth]

Again, which "bureaucrats" work for monopolies, rackets and corporate crime syndicates. I am not asking for names since we are not talking about politicians but which agencies? Or are you just blanket blaming all agencies because you don't know what any of them actually do.

Are you going to address the issue that many of these parents that "teach" their kids in their living rooms aren't actually teaching their kids at all?

The FDA and the DOD are two of the giants in taking bribes from corporations. Sometimes the bribe is only a promise of a corporate job, or the threat of not getting a job, after leaving that government position.

I didn't say parents teaching their own kids. I saw many parents very obviously unqualified to teach, but most of them still can't do much worse than what schools are doing now to kids. How parents, neighborhoods, and communities work out how to find qualified teachers outside the money pit of public miseducation will be a messy and improvised process for a while. This needs to be many bottom-up solutions by all available brains, not the top-down incompetence that got us into this mess.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This conversation was not about income taxes. It was about tariffs, shit for brains.

Yes, this is true. Give Rightguide credit for another thread hijack, by sealioning the 16th amendment and scratching his head in awe about how the gummint managed to survive on tariffs alone prior to 1913.

 

[Rightguide]

That was almost clever. But I guess you concede my point, as well as my assertion that Hairpie claimed to be a post-doctorate accounting genius.

He did, When?

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, this is true. Give Rightguide credit for another thread hijack, by sealioning the 16th amendment and scratching his head in awe about how the gummint managed to survive on tariffs alone prior to 1913.

Your education is one of my top priorities.

 

[Chernosoth]

A former president said it a while ago: "You didn't build that." Corporations don't get huge, wealthy, and monopolistic without government cooperation to grow and crush the competition, as subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts, massaged regulations, and the revolving door.

 

[bejjinks]

Fine by me. Go fuck yourself, you self-important twat.

One thing you can do is talk about the actions of different parties and politicians as long as you don't talk about the parties and politicians. For example, you could talk about how a politician said that Haitians are eating pets and, even though nearly everyone knows who said that, it would be okay with me as long as we don't say who said that here.

You have to understand, one of the biggest reasons I started this discussion is because, after we successfully prove that a politician is a lying, grifting, con artist, we might have people respond with, "Alright, yes, he's a lying, grifting, con artist but I like his policies." Therefore, I want us to talk about those policies so we can find out, do we really like his policies or are we just deluding ourselves like the cult followers some of us are? I bet you that we will discover that many of those people who claim to like his policies don't give a damn about his policies and simply promote him as their savior and messiah cause they drank the kool-aid. That is why I want us to talk about policies.

 

[bejjinks]

I will too.

One thing you can do is talk about the actions of different parties and politicians as long as you don't talk about the parties and politicians. For example, you could talk about how a politician said that Haitians are eating pets and, even though nearly everyone knows who said that, it would be okay with me as long as we don't say who said that here.

You have to understand, one of the biggest reasons I started this discussion is because, after we successfully prove that a politician is a lying, grifting, con artist, we might have people respond with, "Alright, yes, he's a lying, grifting, con artist but I like his policies." Therefore, I want us to talk about those policies so we can find out, do we really like his policies or are we just deluding ourselves like the cult followers some of us are? I bet you that we will discover that many of those people who claim to like his policies don't give a damn about his policies and simply promote him as their savior and messiah cause they drank the kool-aid. That is why I want us to talk about policies.

 

[SmokingFap]

He did, When?

I reposted it specifically for you, in a reply to you, on post 77. Please do try to keep up.

 

[bejjinks]

The FDA and the DOD are two of the giants in taking bribes from corporations. Sometimes the bribe is only a promise of a corporate job, or the threat of not getting a job, after leaving that government position.

I didn't say parents teaching their own kids. I saw many parents very obviously unqualified to teach, but most of them still can't do much worse than what schools are doing now to kids. How parents, neighborhoods, and communities work out how to find qualified teachers outside the money pit of public miseducation will be a messy and improvised process for a while. This needs to be many bottom-up solutions by all available brains, not the top-down incompetence that got us into this mess.

Alright, I had to think about those because I don't see either one doing that much for We the People. The FDA is supposed to protect us from harmful products and the DOD is supposed to provide us with a standing military but what they actually do?

But let's talk about overall government structure. I firmly believe that power must be divided amongst many people and that those people need to have checks and balances so that We the People can hold them accountable when they become corrupt. It's the only way to create a fair and just government. Both capitalism and anarchy lead to might makes right and communism sounds good on paper but easily falls under the control of dictators. Only a constitutional government with spread out power and checks and balances prevents monopolizing of power. So generally speaking, I am opposed to eliminating agencies and monopolizing power to the few. But I can agree that some agents need to be held accountable to We the People.

As for education, what I see as the real problem is that we keep defunding the public schools and because we defund the public schools, we can't hire enough teachers to supply the multiple smaller and more local schools you and I both want. But again, I don't see that as a reason to eliminate the DoE but as a reason to hold the DoE more accountable to We the People.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Alright, I had to think about those because I don't see either one doing that much for We the People. The FDA is supposed to protect us from harmful products and the DOD is supposed to provide us with a standing military but what they actually do?

Are you old enough to remember Thalidomide?

 

[bejjinks]

Are you old enough to remember Thalidomide?

Yes but what do you want to say about it?

 

[SevMax2]

Are you old enough to remember Thalidomide?

I'm not, but I've researched it a bit. The FDA actually did its job at the time and safeguarded a lot of American children, unlike the Canadian version, which didn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes but what do you want to say about it?

It is a classic example of the United States Food and Drug Administration protecting citizens from dangerous prescription drugs.

The USA was just about the only "first world country" to withhold government approval for prescription usage, after ONE of the seven salaried drug examiners noticed that the drug manufacturer gave incomplete scientific drug testing on pregnant lab animals. 21 other first world countries rubberstamped approval.

Probably the high point in the history of government regulation.

Anecdotally, I was in elementary school with a "flipper kid" who had a mother who had the misfortune of being prescribed Thalidomide in the UK where her Air Force husband was stationed.

 

[Politruk]

I don't see a benefit of keeping bureaucrats who work for the monopolies, rackets, and corporate crime syndicates. An example of corporate aid by bureaucracy is the covid shutdown that killed vast numbers of small businesses and self-employment and enriched a few giant corporations like Amazon. Most of those will be dying off as dinosaurs, so I could look for ways to nudge them along into their extinctions.

There is no reason whatsoever to expect the big corporations to die off like dinosaurs. It's the small businesses that are in danger of that.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Flipper girl handjobs were soooo easy to convert to blowjobs.

 

[ll74]

There is no reason whatsoever to expect the big corporations to die off like dinosaurs. It's the small businesses that are in danger of that.

Dead thread.

 

[bejjinks]

Dead thread.

It doesn't have to be dead but no one wants to talk about policy. Everyone just wants to worship or hate politicians.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

There is no reason whatsoever to expect the big corporations to die off like dinosaurs. It's the small businesses that are in danger of that.

There's a reason metaphors work and its about the agility and adaptability of the small overcoming the larger (extinction) events.

And they didn't die off.

Dinosaurs became lizards and birds; mice became elephants (men – Algernon meets Einstein).

Before the juggernaut Microsoft, there was just the mighty unassailable IBM, but it got undermined by a guy in a garage...,

... I hope he has a red corvette...

... got to slow down​