matt gaetz v mccarthy... is gaetz about to see the boot up his jaxi?

[jaF0]

'Pub hate for Bevins is what did it.

 

[Dribble]

JFC.

Case in point.

It's so goddamn basic even wikipedia gets it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Kentucky_gubernatorial_election



https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article236988299.html

Voter turnout tops 42 percent in tight race for Kentucky governor​

A measly 42% was record turnout. And yet it was enough to tip the scales in his favor. Even if only by less than 1%. I wonder what the total would have been if the other 58% would have bothered to shown up.

Exactly the same. What you refuse to accept...the majority of those that don't vote in Kentucky...support what is already winning in Kentucky. Those that don't vote...are not magically all Democrats. They are not even 50% Democrats. You want their vote? Offer them something.

 

[Dribble]

Here is the reality.

The Democrats will nominate Jeffries. Will ANY Republican vote for him?

Answer: No.

So that means the next Speaker will be decided within...and only within the Republican Party.

If the Republicans nominate a moderate...will the fringe vote for them?

Answer: No

So...who will cave? Democrats? Or Moderate Republicans? The Republicans must unify their Party...they know this. They will do it by throwing their weight behind someone the fringe of their Party will support.

This is a fact.

 

[adrina]

As I said...and you refuse to accept...increasing the ranks increases the ranks in both Parties. This is why no Party invests money to increase voter turnout. The key....is to increase one side...but not the other. That means...offer them something that means something to them. Being a Party that isn't Republicans isn't gonna win seats. Look at the Demographics

Yup. The demographics are that the most liberal - the youth - show up the least to vote. The demographics also show that when the youth do turnout that significant alterations occur. The demographics also show that more Americans are disengaged from politics and civics. The demographics are that in just about every county in the United States, less than 1 in 8 vote in primaries. The demographics show that less than 1 in 20 show up for special elections - unless there is a big ticket item, like the Kansas abortion vote. Which the youth also flexed their civic muscles there - even if weakly considering their numbers. The demographics also show that even in record turnout, we can expect barely 1 in 2 to show up in the midterms. And not even with record turnout have we gotten to 2 in 3 for the presidential elections.

The demographics show that Americans care more about their weekend trips to Home Depot and Walmart than they do about doing the boring work of maintaining the government: being aware, being informed and voting militantly.

No one wins seats when the majority don't vote. They just simply are placed there by the folks who do show up.

 

[icanhelp1]

Have a populace where more than 1 in 8 people always vote and you won't have a party playing games.

There's that not thinking things through.

An increase in numbers doesn't necessarily benefit one party over another. More likely blue will stay blue and red will stay red. Gerrymandering will insure that.

Eliminating the EC would also IMHO have unintended consequences. Voters in blue states like CA are so blue that red voters don't participate believing it's a lost cause. Eliminate the EC and all of a sudden those red voters in blue state would come out of the woodwork once they realize their vote would count for something.

 

[Dribble]

Yup. The demographics are that the most liberal - the youth - show up the least to vote. The demographics also show that when the youth do turnout that significant alterations occur. The demographics also show that more Americans are disengaged from politics and civics. The demographics are that in just about every county in the United States, less than 1 in 8 vote in primaries. The demographics show that less than 1 in 20 show up for special elections - unless there is a big ticket item, like the Kansas abortion vote. Which the youth also flexed their civic muscles there - even if weakly considering their numbers. The demographics also show that even in record turnout, we can expect barely 1 in 2 to show up in the midterms. And not even with record turnout have we gotten to 2 in 3 for the presidential elections.

The demographics show that Americans care more about their weekend trips to Home Depot and Walmart than they do about doing the boring work of maintaining the government: being aware, being informed and voting militantly.

No one wins seats when the majority don't vote. They just simply are placed there by the folks who do show up.

Back to blaming the youth.

Let's look at this shall we. Ever volunteer time into a High School? I do. I help teach our Honors Environmental Science course. I look at 40 kids....2 classes...and talk with them. Do you think it is hard to identify how they lean politically? Most here...lean exactly the same way their parents lean. That is roughly 70% Republican. So let's magically have them vote. How will adding their vote change anything?

So how do you change a vote? By offering something they value greater than what they already have

 

[Dribble]

Stop blaming the wrong people. You want more people to vote? Offer them a reason to vote. And no...being not Republican will not garner new votes

 

[Dribble]

Lol....people want young kids...to vote for an 80 yr old man. Fucking brilliant. Seriously...share those drugs

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/possible-mccarthy-successors-house-speaker/index.html

Pick and choose. You got a David Duke supporter as a front-runner

 

[skyaura]

If you want to go that route then we have to acknowledge what happened leading up to those events. Trump's actions led to his impeachment. Just like criminals' actions leads to their arrests and trials. For Reid, the Republicans were running an active blockade against all nominations holding up the business of government while actively seeking to legislate from the bench by placing conservative judges. (Ironically they succeeded under Trump with McConnell's help.)

Adrina, both Republicans and Democrats play the game. Don't pretend that it's only after those evil Republicans do something that the angelic Democrats are pushed to return in kind. Part of the blockade against Democratic nominations may have been born out of how the nominations of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court were treated by Democratic Senators. Senate Democrats were successful in vilifying and defaming Bork ( thus the term "Borked" was born).

Of course, Senator Ted Kennedy, that bastion of moral authority, the same man who left a young woman submerged in a body of water and didn't report the accident for at least 9 hours and possibly closer to 10 1/2 hours, depending on the timeline you want to go with, was able to paint Bork as a bad man. See how that works? You can go around in circles showing the other side is responsible and they are the bad guys.

As far as Trump, I'm no fan. He demands loyalty, but gives none in return. His boorish behavior is tiresome. He shirks responsibility. But, the first impeachment trial was not born out of any real evidence. Hillary Clinton approved passing uncorroborated information to a reporter that Trump was tied to a Russian bank. Not going to get into Fusion GPS, Sussman, etc but the Russian Collusion was a big nothing burger.

 

[phrodeau]

Senator Ted Kennedy, that bastion of moral authority,

Please show where Ted Kennedy was ever considered a bastion of moral authority.

 

[Bn2f]

Adrina, both Republicans and Democrats play the game. Don't pretend that it's only after those evil Republicans do something that the angelic Democrats are pushed to return in kind. Part of the blockade against Democratic nominations may have been born out of how the nominations of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court were treated by Democratic Senators. Senate Democrats were successful in vilifying and defaming Bork ( thus the term "Borked" was born).

Of course, Senator Ted Kennedy, that bastion of moral authority, the same man who left a young woman submerged in a body of water and didn't report the accident for at least 9 hours and possibly closer to 10 1/2 hours, depending on the timeline you want to go with, was able to paint Bork as a bad man. See how that works? You can go around in circles showing the other side is responsible and they are the bad guys.

As far as Trump, I'm no fan. He demands loyalty, but gives none in return. His boorish behavior is tiresome. He shirks responsibility. But, the first impeachment trial was not born out of any real evidence. Hillary Clinton approved passing uncorroborated information to a reporter that Trump was tied to a Russian bank. Not going to get into Fusion GPS, Sussman, etc but the Russian Collusion was a big nothing burger.

Why? Why? Why? Don’t entertain this douche as some moderate giving critical analysis of both sides.

 

[skyaura]

Sky. Hello. Welcome to the board! These two posts here are thoughtful and well written opinions giving us all a new and unique perspective and I thank you for sharing, but this place is horrible enough as is - can’t we just skip the long winded BS and get straight to your ending goal of rank false equivalency?

Cure,

I see, using the False Equivalency or Whataboutism stick and calling BS. Ok, whatever. I'm out. Have fun in this thread and Politics forum. I was naive in thinking that I could participate in a Politics thread without the attacks coming for trying to provide some commentary. My first two posts and this happens. Have a good day.

 

[adrina]

An increase in numbers doesn't necessarily benefit one party over another. More likely blue will stay blue and red will stay red. Gerrymandering will insure that.

Eliminating the EC would also IMHO have unintended consequences. Voters in blue states like CA are so blue that red voters don't participate believing it's a lost cause. Eliminate the EC and all of a sudden those red voters in blue state would come out of the woodwork once they realize their vote would count for something.

Take demographics. Until then you really prove yourself to be more stupid every time you apply your fingers to the keyboard.

Back to blaming the youth.

Let's look at this shall we. Ever volunteer time into a High School? I do. I help teach our Honors Environmental Science course. I look at 40 kids....2 classes...and talk with them. Do you think it is hard to identify how they lean politically? Most here...lean exactly the same way their parents lean. That is roughly 70% Republican. So let's magically have them vote. How will adding their vote change anything?

So how do you change a vote? By offering something they value greater than what they already have

I'm looking at demographics. The most liberal group of society - which happens to be the youth, and with the most at stake - have the lowest voter turnout. When they do decide to participate things go differently.

Stop blaming the wrong people. You want more people to vote? Offer them a reason to vote. And no...being not Republican will not garner new votes

Then they don't get to bitch.

Don't vote, don't bitch.

They just need to suck it up then as the corporate interests of our country sell them out. And while they're at it, they can keep going to Coachella and buying landfill crap from Temu and Amazon.

Adrina, both Republicans and Democrats play the game. Don't pretend that it's only after those evil Republicans do something that the angelic Democrats are pushed to return in kind. Part of the blockade against Democratic nominations may have been born out of how the nominations of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court were treated by Democratic Senators. Senate Democrats were successful in vilifying and defaming Bork ( thus the term "Borked" was born).

Of course, Senator Ted Kennedy, that bastion of moral authority, the same man who left a young woman submerged in a body of water and didn't report the accident for at least 9 hours and possibly closer to 10 1/2 hours, depending on the timeline you want to go with, was able to paint Bork as a bad man. See how that works? You can go around in circles showing the other side is responsible and they are the bad guys.

As far as Trump, I'm no fan. He demands loyalty, but gives none in return. His boorish behavior is tiresome. He shirks responsibility. But, the first impeachment trial was not born out of any real evidence. Hillary Clinton approved passing uncorroborated information to a reporter that Trump was tied to a Russian bank. Not going to get into Fusion GPS, Sussman, etc but the Russian Collusion was a big nothing burger.

Ted Kennedy? Moral bastion? Interesting phraseology. Now do Hastert.

The reality is that Trump and only Trump is responsible for his actions. Drop the bullshit with the propaganda.

The republicans have been the party of no since Reagan came up with that bullshit phrase about the government. It has unfolded in real time.

Bn2F is correct. You're just a "both sides" robot.

 

[skyaura]

Why? Why? Why? Don’t entertain this douche as some moderate giving critical analysis of both sides.

Bn2f

This is my last post. Fuck off. You don't know me. I worked in DC under both administrations. I'm sure you are a lot of fun at parties dickhead, if you are even invited. Your nothing but a internet keyboard warrior who would get your teeth kicked in if you said this in person.

 

[Bn2f]

Cure,

I see, using the False Equivalency or Whataboutism stick and calling BS. Ok, whatever. I'm out. Have fun in this thread and Politics forum. I was naive in thinking that I could participate in a Politics thread without the attacks coming for trying to provide some commentary. My first two posts and this happens. Have a good day.

I gave you introductory pleasantries.
This is the political board on a sex site.
There are people here actively spreading misinformation daily. Misinformation that may lead people to believe things that is harmful if believed. I’m sorry but having a thin skin and delving in American politics went out the window in the 90’s.
I’m willing to be wrong about you and apologize so let’s skip all the pontificating BS, ok?
Who do you support in the upcoming election and why?

 

[Dribble]

Let's do some math

We have a voting block of 1,000,000 (one million). These are actual voters.

They vote 60% Republican 40% Democrat ( a very real reality in many states). So that is 600,000 Republicans and 400,000 Democrats. A difference of 200,000

Are we all on the same page?

Now...somehow....someway...we magically convince a bunch of youth to vote. Now for argument purposes...let's assume they lean as Adrina thinks they lean....80% Democrat...20% Republican. They don't...at best in some states they might be 70% liberal leaning. But let's pretend.

How many new voters must be drawn to offset the original 200,000 discrepancy?

That is the problem. The numbers simply don't exist within the existing populations.

So...what if...we can offer something they value...is there a way to edge that 80:20 ratio...to 90:10? How many new voters do we need then?

Do the math folks. I am not going to hold your hand. Do it...and see the issue.

Or...you can keep blaming "non-voters" for the mistakes our Party makes today

 

[jaF0]

Ted Kennedy? Moral bastion? Interesting phraseology.

Sorry, but the whole Kennedy Klan is a bunch of Holier Than Thou immoral asswipes.

 

[adrina]

Yup. Nods. Less voting is better.

Says every dipshit.

 

[icanhelp1]

Take demographics. Until then you really prove yourself to be more stupid every time you apply your fingers to the keyboard.



I'm looking at demographics. The most liberal group of society - which happens to be the youth, and with the most at stake - have the lowest voter turnout. When they do decide to participate things go differently.



Then they don't get to bitch.

Don't vote, don't bitch.

They just need to suck it up then as the corporate interests of our country sell them out. And while they're at it, they can keep going to Coachella and buying landfill crap from Temu and Amazon.



Ted Kennedy? Moral bastion? Interesting phraseology. Now do Hastert.

The reality is that Trump and only Trump is responsible for his actions. Drop the bullshit with the propaganda.

The republicans have been the party of no since Reagan came up with that bullshit phrase about the government. It has unfolded in real time.

Bn2F is correct. You're just a "both sides" robot.

Dribble is correct. If your demographics are centered around young voters young voters will mirror their parents. You have to provide young people something of value maybe by eliminating college debt would change the way they vote. I expressed an opinion and not once did I participate in mudslinging

 

[ll74]

The democrats are not on the receiving end of DOJ‘s selective prosecutions, indictments.

Menendez is a Democrat.

 

[Bn2f]

Bn2f

This is my last post. Fuck off. You don't know me. I worked in DC under both administrations. I'm sure you are a lot of fun at parties dickhead, if you are even invited. Your nothing but a internet keyboard warrior who would get your teeth kicked in if you said this in person.

The posts of yours I’ve had the pleasure of reading are dripping with patronizing condescension. Kudos to you for rubbing elbows with the movers and shakers and letting us know. I’m a progressive liberal who supports most democratic policies. Democrats are the only vehicle I see to use to get my agenda accomplished. Since you’ve claimed to have worked in DC, expect me to hold you to a higher standard because principles and morality matter to me growing up around family values Reaganites. Now, again - who do you support, having seen our leaders up close, in the coming elections and why?

 

[adrina]

Another idiot.

One bit of research. One little google search. It would have saved both of you from spouting the same trite lines over and over again.

https://www.wkyt.com/2023/01/31/new-voters-kentucky-move-away-traditional-parties/

New voters in Kentucky move away from traditional parties​

The number of Kentucky voters who are not registered as a Republican or a Democrat has reached a new high, breaking beyond the 10% mark for the first time.

Registered Republicans still lead over Democrats by 1%, but when it comes to younger voters, analysts say they are not as quick to choose a side.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/kentucky/party-affiliation/

Party affiliation among adults in Kentucky

https://kentuckylantern.com/2022/12...rs-of-young-people-voted-during-the-midterms/

Near record-high numbers of young people voted during the midterms​

The November 2022 midterms have come and gone, but there are still some potential lasting implications that could influence the next election season.


One is that young people, aged 18 to 29, had one of the highest voter turnouts in a midterm election in recent history, according to our early analysis.


Specifically, an estimated 27% of eligible voters in that age group turned out to the polls in 2022, according to research by my team at CIRCLE – a research group at Tufts University focused on youth civic engagement. This marks only the second time in the last 30 years that more than 1 in 4 voters under 30 voted in a midterm cycle. In 2018, approximately 31% of young people voted.


It was young people’s support for Democratic candidates, specifically, that led them to have a major impact on elections in key states this year. Their votes were influential or outright decisive in several close races won by Democrats, such as Nevada’s Senate election. The same was true in the Georgia Senate and Arizona gubernatorial races.

Wow. It would just suck if the youth voted more. They shouldn't get involved or flex their muscle. Nothing will change if they do. /s

Fuck, the both of you sound like automatons spewing the usual horseshit.

 

[Bn2f]

Dribble is correct. If your demographics are centered around young voters young voters will mirror their parents. You have to provide young people something of value maybe by eliminating college debt would change the way they vote. I expressed an opinion and not once did I participate in mudslinging

Huh????
You’re advocating for student debt relief???

 

[Lazaran]

Dribble is correct. If your demographics are centered around young voters young voters will mirror their parents. You have to provide young people something of value maybe by eliminating college debt would change the way they vote. I expressed an opinion and not once did I participate in mudslinging

^
(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

ineedhelp1 slings bullshit and lies daily, and then gets offended / feigns being offended over some well earned mud-slinging.

Snowflake provocateur.



ineedhelp1