ok you male subs

[Xelebes]

When I referred to "snivelling, effeminite sissy" male subs, I wasn't meaning to judge or dismiss subs who are physically male but androgynous or even some form of trans (from -vestite thru -sexual). I was attempting to evoke a negative and inaccurate stereotype that exists in the mind of many people not directly connected to the F/m segment of the lifestyle lumping all male subs and slaves into a single, negative category. It's difficult to talk about that stereotype without inadvertently demeaning those male subs whose submission manifests itself with a feminine quality, but that was certainly not my intention. And frankly, I think that it takes a special kind of strength for legitimate gender-bending subs (and Dom/mes, for that matter) to accept, embrace, and project their sexual identity. I was more attempting to dismiss the notion that male subs--from the most macho to the most gender-crossing--are inherently weak and pathetic. If my word choice was misleading or gave offense, I sincerely apologize.

How 'bout weak-bodied, weak-spined, crybabies? I think that can generalise the male-sub in a bad denotative and connotative manner.

 

[rbijon]

How 'bout weak-bodied, weak-spined, crybabies? I think that can generalise the male-sub in a bad denotative and connotative manner.

How about, panty boy,love slave,ass licker,toes kisser...and on and on

 

[Jay Davis]

How about, panty boy,love slave,ass licker,toes kisser...and on and on

I think you may have come in late and missed the point, rbijon.

In my original statement, many posts back, I was trying to dispell the notion that all male subs are weak and pathetic; my word choice was somewhat uncareful, and could be interpreted as insulting to cross-dressing or other gender-blending* submissives, which was not my intent. We weren't looking for slang names to call male subs, we were trying to find a way describe the negative stereotype of male subs in some peoples minds, without denigrating any legitimate segment of the male sub spectrum.

I can't hear the terms you just listed and not sense an implicit sneer in them. The ONLY person I'd take them from would be a Mistress I was in active service to, and even then, Her tone and intent would matter to me. When words like that are used by an outsider--and in this case, an outsider would be almost anyone outside my personal relationship--I'd react the same way a gay man would if a stranger called him queer, or a black man would if a white guy called him nigger. Context is everything, and there are some things you just don't say to people unless you know them REALLY well, unless you intend to insult them.

 

[rbijon]

I think you may have come in late and missed the point, rbijon.

In my original statement, many posts back, I was trying to dispell the notion that all male subs are weak and pathetic; my word choice was somewhat uncareful, and could be interpreted as insulting to cross-dressing or other gender-blending* submissives, which was not my intent. We weren't looking for slang names to call male subs, we were trying to find a way describe the negative stereotype of male subs in some peoples minds, without denigrating any legitimate segment of the male sub spectrum.

I can't hear the terms you just listed and not sense an implicit sneer in them. The ONLY person I'd take them from would be a Mistress I was in active service to, and even then, Her tone and intent would matter to me. When words like that are used by an outsider--and in this case, an outsider would be almost anyone outside my personal relationship--I'd react the same way a gay man would if a stranger called him queer, or a black man would if a white guy called him nigger. Context is everything, and there are some things you just don't say to people unless you know them REALLY well, unless you intend to insult them.

I have found that what ever negative image that comes with being a male-sub is very unfounded. The "play" that my Mistress and I are involved in takes place in out minds and in our bedroom. So other than me submitting to Her in our sex play and loveing it, there is no negetive feelings, and any sneer of my position (on bottem) is not felt, or recieved. Oh, and did I say I love panties!

 

[Jay Davis]

I have found that what ever negative image that comes with being a male-sub is very unfounded. The "play" that my Mistress and I are involved in takes place in out minds and in our bedroom. So other than me submitting to Her in our sex play and loveing it, there is no negetive feelings, and any sneer of my position (on bottem) is not felt, or recieved. Oh, and did I say I love panties!

That was pretty much my point--that the stereotype is inaccurate. And what goes on between a Domme and her sub varies widely from relationship to relationship, but in any case, it's theirs and theirs alone, and it's no one else's place to judge it.

I didn't necessarily mean that I heard YOU sneering when you typed those words--just that I often hear them used with derogatory intent. The labels you attach to yourself, or those you accept from your PYL, are very different in the mouth of an unsympathetic and unempathetic outsider. As I said, I have good friends who regularly refer to themselves as "queer," but it would insensitive and insulting of me to call them that.

 

[Xelebes]

boop.

Edit - cut out.

 

[rbijon]

I just have to report my Mistress's last eploit. As a matter of course She has me in just lace panties while She is fully clothed. This is sort of how She likes to be in control, but last night She changed course. She had me lay down on the bed fully clothed while She was nude. Wow, She layed on top of me and grinded me into the next world, as I oiled Her ass. She knew She was in control, and everytime I moaned or cryed out She slapped me or pulled my hair ( I keep it a little long). When She was finally ready She stripped me down to my panties, and fucked me silly. Wow, What a Girl! I am still hard from last night, and still silly.

 

[landcruisergal]

I just have to report my Mistress's last eploit. As a matter of course She has me in just lace panties while She is fully clothed. This is sort of how She likes to be in control, but last night She changed course. She had me lay down on the bed fully clothed while She was nude. Wow, She layed on top of me and grinded me into the next world, as I oiled Her ass. She knew She was in control, and everytime I moaned or cryed out She slapped me or pulled my hair ( I keep it a little long). When She was finally ready She stripped me down to my panties, and fucked me silly. Wow, What a Girl! I am still hard from last night, and still silly.

Thanks for the report...*making notes*

 

[SweetDommes]

Just an update on the question that I asked - the boy (this is someone that we have been talking to for quite awhile, since before I decided once again that I am tired of the search) has had our phone number for a couple of months, never called even though I gave him permission to. Then he vanished for awhile, came back and I told him that if he can't get online some days, he should call, since he has the phone number (never did he mention any reason that he couldn't/didn't want to call).

Today, I talked to him online (after ordering him to call today) and discovered that he hates phones and couldn't find our phone numbers anyway *sigh* and he couldn't mention this earlier ...

Anyway, right now he is making a special trip out to where he forgot his cell phone so that he can call today - so hopefully by the time I am back from shopping, he will have called ...

 

[onceburned]

he hates phones and couldn't find our phone numbers anyway *sigh* and he couldn't mention this earlier ...

Passive-aggressive, perhaps?

 

[SweetDommes]

Passive-aggressive, perhaps?

Who knows what his problem is. I'm just waiting to see if he actually follows directions this time or not. If he doesn't, the potential for a D/s relationship is out the window and he knows it ...

 

[AAkasha]

Who knows what his problem is. I'm just waiting to see if he actually follows directions this time or not. If he doesn't, the potential for a D/s relationship is out the window and he knows it ...

The whole "hates phones" thing is a little odd. Sure, some people hate phones, but I would think a potential partner would hate more to come off looking disinterested or aloof. Or, dropping common courtesy. He may hate phones, but would he continue to blow off a potential employer for a job he really wanted?

I hope he turns out better in person!!
Akasha

 

[SweetDommes]

The whole "hates phones" thing is a little odd. Sure, some people hate phones, but I would think a potential partner would hate more to come off looking disinterested or aloof. Or, dropping common courtesy. He may hate phones, but would he continue to blow off a potential employer for a job he really wanted?

I hope he turns out better in person!!
Akasha

Yeah, I know ... but he may have also been downplaying his feelings towards them. We have a friend who is actively phobic of them - she and her girlfriend only own one because they have to (for work, being able to keep in touch with family, etc). I don't know how strong his feelings towards them are ...

 

[Aeroil]

I personally hate phones, and it's not hard to visualize myself being too afraid to call someone if I was nervous already...

 

[SweetDommes]

He called ... during the 2 minutes that I was outside with the dogs ... and of course my cell phone battery is dying and we can't find the charger, so I can't call him back *grumble*

 

[onceburned]

OMG. The situation sounds like something in a television comedy.

How frustrating!

 

[SweetDommes]

OMG. The situation sounds like something in a television comedy.

How frustrating!

I know - it's driving me nuts ...

He just got online because his computer (that he needs to replace ... we had that discussion awhile ago) was having issues and just now let him get on. And he has to be at work in 5 hours, so ... yeah, he really should be in bed ... blah.

 

[landcruisergal]

I know - it's driving me nuts ...

He just got online because his computer (that he needs to replace ... we had that discussion awhile ago) was having issues and just now let him get on. And he has to be at work in 5 hours, so ... yeah, he really should be in bed ... blah.

Set a specific date and time for him to call you or be available online.
I had this trouble with my pup and had to be firm. I want him to be able to concentrate when we chat or talk on the phone, not watching the clock or risk interruption.Your time is important, and he must have respect for that also.

 

[catalina_francisco]

How about, panty boy,love slave,ass licker,toes kisser...and on and on

LOL, how about slut toy ....hmmmmm, tested it out today just incase it works out positively when he comes back, lays down his guns, and we three meet in person. Think he liked it, but if not and I want it, he will adjust accordingly.

Catalina

 

[Alt]

What is the most unusual toy a Mistress has ever used on you?

Actually, it was one of my basketball shoes. She tied the shoelace around my sack and let the shoe hang. Our venture into cbt was a spur of the moment thing, so She had to make do.

 

[Alt]

A thought brought up by a thread on another message board and a current situation:

Boys ... if a Domme gave you her phone number, would you call her? How long would you wait?

Yes, and when there is a good amount of time to devote to Her call.

 

[SweetDommes]

Set a specific date and time for him to call you or be available online.
I had this trouble with my pup and had to be firm. I want him to be able to concentrate when we chat or talk on the phone, not watching the clock or risk interruption.Your time is important, and he must have respect for that also.

Yeah, we're doing that. The whole thing is though, we haven't been able to meet in person yet and we don't do online/long distance D/s ... giving him directives like that ... doesn't feel right at this point - at least not to me.

I think we have the problem fixed though ... of course I'll keep y'all updated LOL

 

[landcruisergal]

Yeah, we're doing that. The whole thing is though, we haven't been able to meet in person yet and we don't do online/long distance D/s ... giving him directives like that ... doesn't feel right at this point - at least not to me.

I think we have the problem fixed though ... of course I'll keep y'all updated LOL

I dont do online either, I could never get the hang of it.I use it just to communicate. Its less confrontational.

 

[Alt]

Set a specific date and time for him to call you or be available online.
I had this trouble with my pup and had to be firm. I want him to be able to concentrate when we chat or talk on the phone, not watching the clock or risk interruption.Your time is important, and he must have respect for that also.

Perfect!

 

[landcruisergal]

Perfect!

Well nearly.