The Great Would You Rather Thread.

[Scuttle Buttin']

Pretty sure this rule would end the career of every comedian ever, as well as Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert, so no, we will not be using it.

Oh, I didn't realize you were a professional comedian! You should've said so earlier. When are your next dates, so I can come heckle?

 

[thestruggle]

Pretty sure this rule would end the career of every comedian ever, as well as Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert, so no, we will not be using it.

Oh, please, stop. They're WRONG. Are you serious now? Get the hell out of here with your "because some famous person made a comment, I can say it too" bullshit. It doesn't make it any less offensive and it doesn't make you any less wrong.

 

[musicankane]

That is not a fair judgement to make. By assuming my own body type you are judging me in the same way you don't want to be judged yourself. You don't know me, you don't Baker, you know nothing about anyone om this forum except a username. Our appearance, our history, our background, you know NOTHING about us and don't for a single moment pretend that you do.

I grew up obese, beat on every fucking day of my life at school, people used to ask if they could fuck my back fat. I wanted to die. I faked sick to get out of going to class. But you know what. At the end of it all, I got over it. I moved on at let all of that go because at the end of the day you can play the victim or you can decide who you are for yourself.

I did lose weight eventually. I'm still big enough to make chairs cry every time I walk up, I'm still avirgin after thirty years. But I can laugh at it all because I know, probably better than most people, that if you can't laugh that all you can do is cry. And that's no way to live through life.

 

[CarnivalBarker]

Or, and I'm just guessing here, because of shitty attitudes from shitty fucking people like you. Maybe if people were a little more accepting of 'differences' in each other, you'd see more real people gracing magazine covers instead of the airbrushed fake bullshit we have now.

But no, it's definitely more important that you're able to make a lame joke on a website. Fight the power, man!

So let me understand....if I would just make a conscious choice to be more attracted to people I am currently not attracted to, then they will become more attractive?

Right. Ok.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

I dispute this false dichotomy. We make food choices every single day. We make exercise choices every single day. We make mental health choices every single day. I'm a perpetual fat kid. I try hard to get in shape, and it's hard. But it is not out of my control. I too have dated girls, LOVED girls, who are not in ideal shape. Those other girls with fortunate genetics are still attractive to me. Those who work at it and it is a bit harder are still attractive to me. But the reality is that I find some women more desirable. Women do the same toward men. We are how we are on both sides of the equation. Part of America's problem, IMO is that we too easily shrug and say, "Just something I have to live with," at the same time we have a fit when McDonald's stops serving breakfast at 10:30 or the local Whataburger gets torn down.

Well this is fantastic.

So let's think about those girls you've LOVED for a moment. How do you think they'd feel if you made a fat joke about them?

Oh, I know, you want to say they'd be fine with it, because then you think it gives you license to say what you want. But can you actually sit here and seriously tell us that none of them body image issues? That a fat joke would've cut them to the core at times, because they would be hearing from you, a person they presumably LOVED as well, every terrible thing they think about themselves, and it would only confirm it all?

This is what you find humorous. This is what we have a problem with. This is what you are defending.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

So let me understand....if I would just make a conscious choice to be more attracted to people I am currently not attracted to, then they will become more attractive?

Right. Ok.

Do you two buy your straw in bulk? With the sheer volume of straw men you're creating here, it really would save you come money.

No one said anything about being attracted to anyone, except you. Accepting and being attracted to aren't the same thing. Everyone has a type. That doesn't mean you attack the types you aren't attracted to.

 

[CarnivalBarker]

Oh, I didn't realize you were a professional comedian! You should've said so earlier. When are your next dates, so I can come heckle?

Talk about your straw man....well here it is in force. Didn't say I was a comedian. But the other poster made some nonsense unequivocal rule up that can neither be followed, nor should be. My point here is, where do you draw the line? Oh yeah.....YOU don't.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

That is not a fair judgement to make. By assuming my own body type you are judging me in the same way you don't want to be judged yourself. You don't know me, you don't Baker, you know nothing about anyone om this forum except a username. Our appearance, our history, our background, you know NOTHING about us and don't for a single moment pretend that you do.

I grew up obese, beat on every fucking day of my life at school, people used to ask if they could fuck my back fat. I wanted to die. I faked sick to get out of going to class. But you know what. At the end of it all, I got over it. I moved on at let all of that go because at the end of the day you can play the victim or you can decide who you are for yourself.

I did lose weight eventually. I'm still big enough to make chairs cry every time I walk up, I'm still avirgin after thirty years. But I can laugh at it all because I know, probably better than most people, that if you can't laugh that all you can do is cry. And that's no way to live through life.

You realize I was being sarcastic, yes?

And, hey, you got over it. Congratulations.

Why, then, do you assume that everyone else "got over it" too? You say you faked being sick to get out of class. Do you think no one could feel like that now, and see your comments and feel the same way you did?

If all of this is true, then you should know how it feels to hear that shit, and be the first person to speak up when someone else says it, not join in on the fun.

 

[CarnivalBarker]

Well this is fantastic.

So let's think about those girls you've LOVED for a moment. How do you think they'd feel if you made a fat joke about them?

Oh, I know, you want to say they'd be fine with it, because then you think it gives you license to say what you want. But can you actually sit here and seriously tell us that none of them body image issues? That a fat joke would've cut them to the core at times, because they would be hearing from you, a person they presumably LOVED as well, every terrible thing they think about themselves, and it would only confirm it all?

This is what you find humorous. This is what we have a problem with. This is what you are defending.

They may have body image issues. I have body image issues. I'm overweight, and don't like it. But it doesn't define me, and I can work to improve it. If you can't or don't, then I have no sympathy. It's when you stop trying to improve yourself that I have a problem.

 

[CarnivalBarker]

Do you two buy your straw in bulk? With the sheer volume of straw men you're creating here, it really would save you come money.

No one said anything about being attracted to anyone, except you. Accepting and being attracted to aren't the same thing. Everyone has a type. That doesn't mean you attack the types you aren't attracted to.

You are not even properly identifying a straw man, but whatever. I never attacked anyone.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

They may have body image issues. I have body image issues. I'm overweight, and don't like it. But it doesn't define me, and I can work to improve it. If you can't or don't, then I have no sympathy. It's when you stop trying to improve yourself that I have a problem.

So your rule is, if something bothers you, it's your fault?

Bullshit. And you know it. This is post hoc rationalization at it's best.

Quit thinking that because you feel one way, everyone in a similar situation feels the same. That shit you should've left behind in grade school.

 

[thestruggle]

That is not a fair judgement to make. By assuming my own body type you are judging me in the same way you don't want to be judged yourself. You don't know me, you don't Baker, you know nothing about anyone om this forum except a username. Our appearance, our history, our background, you know NOTHING about us and don't for a single moment pretend that you do.

I grew up obese, beat on every fucking day of my life at school, people used to ask if they could fuck my back fat. I wanted to die. I faked sick to get out of going to class. But you know what. At the end of it all, I got over it. I moved on at let all of that go because at the end of the day you can play the victim or you can decide who you are for yourself.

I did lose weight eventually. I'm still big enough to make chairs cry every time I walk up, I'm still avirgin after thirty years. But I can laugh at it all because I know, probably better than most people, that if you can't laugh that all you can do is cry. And that's no way to live through life.

Past experiences do not excuse your place of privilege from where you're making these remarks. Are you really going to say that because you've struggled in the past you have the right to make remarks about someone else's body? By that logic, you're perpetuating what you went through and forcing someone else to experience it. If that's what you've decided works for you, that you can decide not to be a "victim" and get over it, then good for you. But that's YOU. You do not get to decide what works for somebody else. All of this is very simple. You can stick to your own circumstances. You can make decisions and statements about your life. But you do not get to attack others. You can call people out on their privilege, sure. But you DO NOT GET TO EVER get to attack groups that are marginalized for your benefit - for your humor.

No, I don't know anything about you. But I know that body shaming is not okay regardless of who is doing it. You could be big, you could be small, you could be angular, you could be curvy, you could be short or tall - STILL NOT YOUR PLACE. So stop. Stop arguing for something that is clearly not your call to make. If you can get over insults, good for you. But by insulting others you are deliberately taking away their ability to develop positive thinking about themselves, thus denying them of the acceptance you've achieved for yourself.

 

[CarnivalBarker]

So your rule is, if something bothers you, it's your fault?

Bullshit. And you know it. This is post hoc rationalization at it's best.

Quit thinking that because you feel one way, everyone in a similar situation feels the same. That shit you should've left behind in grade school.

I don't even know what this nonsense means. I owe no duty to large people everywhere.

 

[musicankane]

Here's the question. Say a comedian like Chris Rock or whoever is making fun of fat people? What do you? Do you right them angry letters? Do you picket their shows?

The actual probablity is that you don't watch that comedian or that TV Show making fun of something you don't like made fun of. You move on, ignore it, whatever.

That is the entire point I am trying to make is ignore it. Because using the objected reasoning then nothing can be made fun unless the person making fun of it has to be a part of the group that they are making fun....I've lost track.

Basically I can only laugh at a fat joke if a fat guy makes it. And I can only laugh at a politial joke if a politian makes it.

That isn't how shit works and you know it.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

Talk about your straw man....well here it is in force. Didn't say I was a comedian. But the other poster made some nonsense unequivocal rule up that can neither be followed, nor should be. My point here is, where do you draw the line? Oh yeah.....YOU don't.

Do I seriously have to keep pointing out the fucking sarcasm? Goddamn.

You draw the line at attacking other people for who they are. It's really not that hard.

By these 'arguments' you're both making, literally anything could be justified. You could've come in here and dropped the n-word twenty times, and then acted just as outraged when someone was offended by it, because you got over racial slurs ages ago and have no sympathy for anyone that didn't.

Pathetic.

 

[Raven_Timothy]

Self retracted.post

 

[thestruggle]

I don't even know what this nonsense means. I owe no duty to large people everywhere.

No, but you could have the common decency to respect people regardless of their appearance. If you choose not to, don't fucking complain about how you never attacked anyone. A huge chunk of what you've been talking about in here has been body negative and sexist.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

Here's the question. Say a comedian like Chris Rock or whoever is making fun of fat people? What do you? Do you right them angry letters? Do you picket their shows?

The actual probablity is that you don't watch that comedian or that TV Show making fun of something you don't like made fun of. You move on, ignore it, whatever.

That is the entire point I am trying to make is ignore it. Because using the objected reasoning then nothing can be made fun unless the person making fun of it has to be a part of the group that they are making fun....I've lost track.

Basically I can only laugh at a fat joke if a fat guy makes it. And I can only laugh at a politial joke if a politian makes it.

That isn't how shit works and you know it.

The political comparison is a stupid one.

If a professional comedian makes a joke about someone overweight, or gay, or whatever, I do a couple things. First, I recognize that I'm watching a professional comedian practice an art form, not a couple of jackasses on a website make fart jokes with each other. Second, I look at the joke itself, and the point behind it. Third, I look at other things the comedian has said, because they're going to effect how that joke is perceived as well.

But you're not a professional comedian, and you're not practicing an art form, and none of this applies to you.

Why is 'don't make jokes that hurt other people' such a hard thing for you?

 

[ncseeker]

Lets play a game. Ill post random "Would you rather" choices. You guys must answer the choice and then post your own WYR choice. Everyone further must answer at least the last three choices people put up before posting their own choices.

I will start with three questions, beyond this point only one at a time please.

1. Would you rather have a super sexy gamer girlfriend/boyfriend, or 50, 000 bucks cash?

2. Would you rather beat Eminem in a free style battle, or be the subject of taylor swifts next song?

3. Would you rather have a brand new Ferrari, or a shitbox with a super model in it?

1. 50,000 bucks cash, cause I'm in serious debt and it would give me a fresh start in this world. In addition, I wouldn't be much use to the super sexy girlfriend in the current debt that I am in.

2. Couldn't give a fuck less about Eminem (nor could he about me, I'm sure), but I would be blushed to infinity to be acknowledged by Swift, I'm sure.

3. I have no idea what a shitbox is, so it makes the idea of a brand new Ferrari, free and clear, easier to pine for.

 

[CarnivalBarker]

Do I seriously have to keep pointing out the fucking sarcasm? Goddamn.

You draw the line at attacking other people for who they are. It's really not that hard.

By these 'arguments' you're both making, literally anything could be justified. You could've come in here and dropped the n-word twenty times, and then acted just as outraged when someone was offended by it, because you got over racial slurs ages ago and have no sympathy for anyone that didn't.

Pathetic.

Louis CK does that. You should check him out.

 

[musicankane]

Past experiences do not excuse your place of privilege from where you're making these remarks. Are you really going to say that because you've struggled in the past you have the right to make remarks about someone else's body? By that logic, you're perpetuating what you went through and forcing someone else to experience it. If that's what you've decided works for you, that you can decide not to be a "victim" and get over it, then good for you. But that's YOU. You do not get to decide what works for somebody else. All of this is very simple. You can stick to your own circumstances. You can make decisions and statements about your life. But you do not get to attack others. You can call people out on their privilege, sure. But you DO NOT GET TO EVER get to attack groups that are marginalized for your benefit - for your humor.

No, I don't know anything about you. But I know that body shaming is not okay regardless of who is doing it. You could be big, you could be small, you could be angular, you could be curvy, you could be short or tall - STILL NOT YOUR PLACE. So stop. Stop arguing for something that is clearly not your call to make. If you can get over insults, good for you. But by insulting others you are deliberately taking away their ability to develop positive thinking about themselves, thus denying them of the acceptance you've achieved for yourself.

That was the whole point of your arguement though. Only fat people can make fun of fat people. Only gays can make fun of gays.

Here I am telling you I am a fucking fat guy making fun of fat guys! By your rule I have a pass right? Cause if you think nobody is going to make fun of anybody ever then your crazy because all humor is at someone or somethings expense period!

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

I'm sorry but at this point you are so full of shit. I never said she doesn't work to maintain. You did and since you don't have a fucking clue about her what gives you that... Right, no privilege. Neither I nor her have seen fast food in four months. I am by Army standards over weight. I lift 170lbs eight reps three the a night in my civilian job. I run 16:00 two mile 1 hour 10 minutes for a 6 mile road march with a 60lbs ruck sack. I'm not getting any lighter unless it's by a roadside bomb. And your example that every one has the choice to exercise every day.... Have you ever met a person with steal plates in there back to hold their spine in place? How about some one in a wheelchair... You must mean that quadriplegics can do every thing you or I can.... Your "logic" is flawed.

But see, Raven, they can make fun of people in wheelchairs, because those people should just get over it. They owe no duty to handicapped people everywhere.

 

[Scuttle Buttin']

Louis CK does that. You should check him out.

Louis CK, the professional comedian?

You can probably throw paint at things, too, but I've got news for you chief, you're not fucking Picasso.

 

[thestruggle]

Here's the question. Say a comedian like Chris Rock or whoever is making fun of fat people? What do you? Do you right them angry letters? Do you picket their shows?

The actual probablity is that you don't watch that comedian or that TV Show making fun of something you don't like made fun of. You move on, ignore it, whatever.

That is the entire point I am trying to make is ignore it. Because using the objected reasoning then nothing can be made fun unless the person making fun of it has to be a part of the group that they are making fun....I've lost track.

Basically I can only laugh at a fat joke if a fat guy makes it. And I can only laugh at a politial joke if a politian makes it.

That isn't how shit works and you know it.

No, you don't ignore it. If it happened, I wouldn't watch it. I would spread the word that it had happened. Because that's what you do when things are offensive. Not only offensive, but contributing to a patriarchal structure that absolutely oppresses people - including people in the group that you say you belong to. Body acceptance, race acceptance, sex acceptance - none of those things are achieved by just "ignoring" things and hoping they go away. They're achieved by calling people out on their fucking bullshit. You don't like it? It bothers you that you're being called out? Good. Let's see how you like to be attacked. This is what happens. This is what you get. Because like hell am I going to sit here and let you say that you should be able to say whatever you want and someone should suck it up. Why don't you just suck it up?

 

[CarnivalBarker]

I'm sorry but at this point you are so full of shit. I never said she doesn't work to maintain. You did and since you don't have a fucking clue about her what gives you that... Right, no privilege. Neither I nor her have seen fast food in four months. I am by Army standards over weight. I lift 170lbs eight reps three the a night in my civilian job. I run 16:00 two mile 1 hour 10 minutes for a 6 mile road march with a 60lbs ruck sack. I'm not getting any lighter unless it's by a roadside bomb. And your example that every one has the choice to exercise every day.... Have you ever met a person with steal plates in there back to hold their spine in place? How about some one in a wheelchair... You must mean that quadriplegics can do every thing you or I can.... Your "logic" is flawed.

Most trainers will tell you that, yes, everyone can exercise. Four whole months without fast food, huh?? I could do that. Probably wouldn't undo 35 years of eating from a greasy bag. So, that sorta makes my point, thanks. Also, youmwould probably get a lot lighter if you didn't do so much inefficient, extended cardio and replaced it entirely with squats and deadlifts, using overload and progression. Which a person in a wheelchair CAN also do.

Thanks for playing, ruck sack.