Trump ran up national debt twice as much as Biden

His economic and foreign policies also destroyed the old Soviet Union.
Reagan’s massive military spending frustrated the Soviet ability to keep up. If you can’t beat them sue for a peaceful coexistence. Brought about Perestroika. Also led to the unification of Germany.

Ah the good ole days of peace through strength. Biden never took that course. He skipped that class.
 
Irrelevant

I am pointing out revenue decreases with tax cuts, revenue increases with tax increases.
Sorry Fuzzy but the claim that tax cuts reduced federal revenues has been unequivocally debunked by data from the Congressional Budget Office and the US Treasury Department. I’ve already shared the CBO data that shows spending and tax receipts as percentage of GDP. Here is the federal revenue shown in inflation-adjusted dollars.
 

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I’ve already shared the CBO data that shows spending and tax receipts as percentage of GDP.
So you're saying there was no debt back in the 1970's? The 17% of GDP covered the governments spending levels in the 1970's and as such should be sufficient to cover the cost of Government today.
 
It's just a sad state of affairs that Biden has totally ignored our southern border and has become a subservient patsy to Zelensky. Ukraine is primarily a european problem, it's their backyard. Germany and Poland should be the lead players in this conflict. 106 billion in taxpayer dollars with no receipts. People can say what want, but underneath all this uncontrolled illegal migrant invasion a storm brewing. I fear a major terrorist attack is being planned within our borders as we speak. $106 billion to Ukraine and peanuts to shore up our own borders.

Reagan’s massive military spending frustrated the Soviet ability to keep up. If you can’t beat them sue for a peaceful coexistence. Brought about Perestroika. Also led to the unification of Germany.

Ah the good ole days of peace through strength. Biden never took that course. He skipped that class.
So you agreed with Reagan's spending, but not Bidens, then say Biden never took the "peace through strength " class but yet still blame Biden.....
 
So you agreed with Reagan's spending, but not Bidens, then say Biden never took the "peace through strength " class but yet still blame Biden.....
Reagan spent mostly on upgrading our military defense. I wish Biden would lobby congress for a substantial increase in our defense budget.
 
Reagan spent mostly on upgrading our military defense. I wish Biden would lobby congress for a substantial increase in our defense budget.
I absolutely love that members have been adding to their posts and saying across threads that you are a traitor because it’s true. 🥰

Still, because you’re an overachiever, you make sure to constantly remind people that you’re clueless about America as well.

Tell us where the vast amount of our tax dollars go? 🙄🙄🙄
 
Reagan spent mostly on upgrading our military defense. I wish Biden would lobby congress for a substantial increase in our defense budget.
You just claimed he was spending too much in Ukraine. You claimed you taxes are too high and government needs to reign in spending. Do you even remember what you're posting about?
 
So you're saying there was no debt back in the 1970's? The 17% of GDP covered the governments spending levels in the 1970's and as such should be sufficient to cover the cost of Government today.
Ding ding! Fuzzy might be catching on. The 17% of GDP in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s is being outpaced by spending. Spending has been averaging 21% of GDP. That’s been a problem that spiked under Trump with the onset of Covid, began retreating but never got back to its 21% historic average, and is now heading to 25%. The US has a spending problem that’s getting worse. The left wants to spend even more and take a greater share of GDP to pay for it.
 
Ding ding! Fuzzy might be catching on.
No you missed the question. 17% of GDP was still short of the spending in the 1970's. Or I'm sure you can show me the balanced budget's or the surpluses?
The 17% of GDP in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s is being outpaced by spending.

That's my point Boomer, 17% of GDP was not enough then to cover spending, and it sure isn't today.

You're using GDP as the benchmark. That is your first mistake.
 
You just claimed he was spending too much in Ukraine. You claimed you taxes are too high and government needs to reign in spending. Do you even remember what you're posting about?
You’re a certified fucking idiot. Spending on Ukrainian defense is not increasing or improving our defense posture. Stop being argumentative. I have no problem paying a little more in taxes towards our own military. I have a problem with all the other crap we spend foolishly on. Paying off college debt, supporting illegal migrants, subsidizing green energy, treadmills for shrimp. Bridges to nowhere and thousands of other wasteful projects.

Does the Constitution provide for defense?


Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; . . .
 
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You’re a certified fucking idiot. Spending on Ukrainian defense is not increasing or improving our defense posture. Stop being argumentative. I have no problem paying a little more in taxes towards our own military. I have a problem with all the other crap we spend foolishly on. Paying off college debt, supporting illegal migrants, subsidizing green energy, treadmills for shrimp. Bridges to nowhere and thousands of other wasteful projects.

Does the Constitution provide for defense?


Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; . . .
lol, thanks for confirming you're just an old man standing on the lawn yelling about the "gripe" of the moment.
 
I absolutely love that members have been adding to their posts and saying across threads that you are a traitor because it’s true. 🥰

Still, because you’re an overachiever, you make sure to constantly remind people that you’re clueless about America as well.

Tell us where the vast amount of our tax dollars go? 🙄🙄🙄
You can call me traitor all you want, obviously you don’t have a clue to its meaning. I served my country and that give me just as much a right to my opinion as you. You fake contrarians call me a traitor but never provide any reasons for your assertions. The only thing consistent with you belligerents is that anyone who disagrees with your Marxist ideology and beliefs is a traitor.
 
lol, thanks for confirming you're just an old man standing on the lawn yelling about the "gripe" of the moment.

Well apparently we should just let Putin seize whatever country he wishes. Because surely he'll stop at one... right?

JFC

Traitor Taters doesn't even realize how little we are spending to give some aid to Ukraine (mostly in old stockpiled weaponry ready for decommissioning btw) in comparison to what it would cost to deal with Putin after amassing the resources from Ukraine and all the other countries he'll try to take over.
 
Well apparently we should just let Putin seize whatever country he wishes. Because surely he'll stop at one... right?

JFC

Traitor Taters doesn't even realize how little we are spending to give some aid to Ukraine (mostly in old stockpiled weaponry ready for decommissioning btw) in comparison to what it would cost to deal with Putin after amassing the resources from Ukraine and all the other countries he'll try to take over.
Not to mention, on his other hand, the war in Ukraine was Biden's fault, since he was not threatening enough to Russia in someway or the other.
You could read that as "if Trump had been elected President, Russia never would have invaded".
 
No you missed the question. 17% of GDP was still short of the spending in the 1970's. Or I'm sure you can show me the balanced budget's or the surpluses?


That's my point Boomer, 17% of GDP was not enough then to cover spending, and it sure isn't today.

You're using GDP as the benchmark. That is your first mistake.
It was enough in 75 and several years in the late 90s and early 2000s. We have had a long term spending problem for the better part of 50 years and in the post-Covid era has gotten worse. The CBO and other government agencies use this benchmark because it measures our national output of goods and services. The amount the government collects and spends is intricately relevant to what the nation produces.
 
Well apparently we should just let Putin seize whatever country he wishes. Because surely he'll stop at one... right?

JFC

Traitor Taters doesn't even realize how little we are spending to give some aid to Ukraine (mostly in old stockpiled weaponry ready for decommissioning btw) in comparison to what it would cost to deal with Putin after amassing the resources from Ukraine and all the other countries he'll try to take over.
Not to mention, on his other hand, the war in Ukraine was Biden's fault, since he was not threatening enough to Russia in someway or the other.
You could read that as "if Trump had been elected President, Russia never would have invaded".
I could even further extrapolate on how if Trump had been elected, he would have prevented the invasion.

Trump and Putin would have had a visit and both countries would "force" Ukraine to give into the Russian territorial demands. Russia would then have incorporated those territories, Ukraine would have little choice but to agree. For that Putin would let Trump's company build a couple hotels in Moscow.
 
I could even further extrapolate on how if Trump had been elected, he would have prevented the invasion.

Trump and Putin would have had a visit and both countries would "force" Ukraine to give into the Russian territorial demands. Russia would then have incorporated those territories, Ukraine would have little choice but to agree. For that Putin would let Trump's company build a couple hotels in Moscow.
And, after a little, while Putin would need more
 
It was enough in 75 and several years in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Wow a couple outliers, what's that 4 out of 50 budget years!!
We have had a long term spending problem for the better part of 50 years and in the post-Covid era has gotten worse.
The US doesn't have a spending problem, this is what drives me nuts, and show's me you're a simpleton about how governments work, and fund and spend. The problem you have had is trying to balancing Government spending vs the taxes the Government takes in. That is the fucking problem learn it, or shut up about it.
The CBO and other government agencies use this benchmark because it measures our national output of goods and services.
True, and for the purpose of growth it's measures well.
The amount the government collects and spends is intricately relevant to what the nation produces.
I'm not disagreeing with this. That is another of your short vision.

What I keep saying is this, if you want to reduce the deficit each year, you need to balance the budget.

You keep saying the only way to do this is via slashing spending. Why, because you don't want to pay any taxes. No other reason that I've ever seen from you. Is there?

However, there is another solution,one you disagree with, and that is increasing taxes. This will also lead to balancing the budget.

You just don't want to take the route.
 
Well apparently we should just let Putin seize whatever country he wishes. Because surely he'll stop at one... right?

JFC

Traitor Taters doesn't even realize how little we are spending to give some aid to Ukraine (mostly in old stockpiled weaponry ready for decommissioning btw) in comparison to what it would cost to deal with Putin after amassing the resources from Ukraine and all the other countries he'll try to take over.
You’re a bigger idiot than FUZZYNUTS. I’ve written in the past that either go all in or get the fuck out. Half ass measures without an exit strategy is fool hardy. Biden’s foreign policies are just short of insanity. He bailed on Israel, he’s tried to dictate how Ukraine should fight its war, his pulled out of Afghanistan was a total global embarrassment, he’s failed to eliminate the Houthis, he’s funding Iran and it’s proxies. He’s failed to insist Ukraine negotiate a peace settlement with Putin.

Replacing old stock has taxed our industrial capacity to the limit. Taiwan is billions of dollars behind in weapons systems. China is a real existential threat and Biden acts like he a member of China’s communist party.

Putin would never attempt to invade a NATO country. That would be suicide. China, Korea, Russia and Iran form the new axis powers and Biden is AWOL. What’s Biden’s policy if a war breaks out with Hezbollah. Biden’s policy of appeasement is going to lead us into war. Biden’s woke policy when dealing with our military is scandalous at best.
 
Wow a couple outliers, what's that 4 out of 50 budget years!!

The US doesn't have a spending problem, this is what drives me nuts, and show's me you're a simpleton about how governments work, and fund and spend. The problem you have had is trying to balancing Government spending vs the taxes the Government takes in. That is the fucking problem learn it, or shut up about it.

True, and for the purpose of growth it's measures well.

I'm not disagreeing with this. That is another of your short vision.

What I keep saying is this, if you want to reduce the deficit each year, you need to balance the budget.

You keep saying the only way to do this is via slashing spending. Why, because you don't want to pay any taxes. No other reason that I've ever seen from you. Is there?

However, there is another solution,one you disagree with, and that is increasing taxes. This will also lead to balancing the budget.

You just don't want to take the route.
Correct. I oppose increasing the government’s share of what we produce. I prefer bringing the scope of government in line with the 17% historic revenue norm. I certainly don’t want to take the route of raising the federal government’s slice of the pie to 25% or more which is the current trajectory.
 
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