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[JaySecrets]

I mock all religious people for their faith. Your religion is just a bigger target because there's more of you.

You've never provided a valid argument.

And you will answer to God for that one day. Assuming you never come to the place of repentance. The good news is that the God you so easily mock DID come and live and die and rise again for you because He loves you in spite of your hate towards Him. And He loves you enough to leave you the choice to accept His love or not.

The bad news is that choices have consequences, and if you reject His sacrifice on your behalf, there is no other sacrifice left to turn to. And because you are an eternal being, a man with an eternal soul, you have to live forever somewhere. And rejecting Him means choosing to be apart from Him. Not a wise choice. But love always leaves that choice.

 

[ll74]

And you will answer to God for that one day. Assuming you never come to the place of repentance. The good news is that the God you so easily mock DID come and live and die and rise again for you because He loves you in spite of your hate towards Him. And He loves you enough to leave you the choice to accept His love or not.

The bad news is that choices have consequences, and if you reject His sacrifice on your behalf, there is no other sacrifice left to turn to. And because you are an eternal being, a man with an eternal soul, you have to live forever somewhere. And rejecting Him means choosing to be apart from Him. Not a wise choice. But love always leaves that choice.

Yes, you believe your religion rules over me because of your superiority complex.

I'll be just fine. ..but thanks for your false concern

My perspective would be much worse for ya.... you'll die and then you'll be dead. And no man in the sky will give you anything.

But that's ok, because you won't be around to even notice it

 

[JaySecrets]

Yes, you believe your religion rules over me because of your superiority complex.

I'll be just fine. ..but thanks for your false concern

My perspective would be much worse for ya.... you'll die and then you'll be dead. And no man in the sky will give you anything.

But that's ok, because you won't be around to even notice it

Meantime, Christians are the ones doing the majority of adoption and fostering children, more likely to choose special needs children, and are the ones building hospitals, risking their lives to go to other nations to serve the poor and needy, giving to the poor in this nation, and generally showing self-sacrificing love for others. That's a pretty horrible track record to be aligned with.

And you go here BECAUSE your whole "pro-lifers and Christians don't adopt" argument just blew up in your face.

 

[ll74]

Meantime, Christians are the ones doing the majority of adoption and fostering children, more likely to choose special needs children, and are the ones building hospitals, risking their lives to go to other nations to serve the poor and needy, giving to the poor in this nation, and generally showing self-sacrificing love for others. That's a pretty horrible track record to be aligned with.

I appreciate charity. I think it's dumb that people need some religion to rationalize it.
Like if they didn't have their god, they wouldn't be doing anything worthwhile. Always seems weird to me

And you go here BECAUSE your whole "pro-lifers and Christians don't adopt" argument just blew up in your face.

I didn't make that argument.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Meantime, Christians are the ones doing the majority of adoption and fostering children, more likely to choose special needs children, and are the ones building hospitals, risking their lives to go to other nations to serve the poor and needy, giving to the poor in this nation, and generally showing self-sacrificing love for others. That's a pretty horrible track record to be aligned with.

And you go here BECAUSE your whole "pro-lifers and Christians don't adopt" argument just blew up in your face.

Straight Christians or gay Christians?

 

[ll74]

This is my reaction of religious people telling me they do things because of their religion

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

This is my opinion of religious people telling me they do things because of their religion

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I find it hilarious that Jesus cares about sports when there are so many starving children in the world.

 

[ll74]

I find it hilarious that Jesus cares about sports when there are so many starving children in the world.

What's more important?
Starving children in South Africa or the Rags getting spanked in overtime last night?

No contest

 

[JohnEngelman]

While under 40% of Americans attend church services weekly, 65% of foster parents do. Barna Research found that practicing Christians are twice as likely to foster or adopt than the general population. They are also more likely to welcome sibling groups, older youth, and children with special needs.Feb 8, 2024


Do Pro-lifers adopt more children than Pro-choice (rs)?



Pro-Life Feminist2y
Do you guys even know how to do proper research? According to the Gladney Center for Adoption, Christians are 12% more likely to seriously consider adopting. Christians are also more than twice as likely to actually adopt a child. And I know that personal experiences aren’t everything, but every single adopted person I know (which is actually quite a few), was raised in a Christian home.

Who Adopts the Most?
If you saw an adoptive parent on the street, would you recognize him or her? Probably not. Adoptive parents come from all walks of life, and it is often dif...
https://adoption.org/who-adopts-the-most
According to the Pew Research Center. 47% of Catholics are pro-life in nearly every circumstance, 63% of Evangelical Protestants are pro-life in nearly every circumstance, 42% of Historically Black Protestants are pro-life in nearly every circumstance, 35% of Mainland Protestants are pro-life in nearly every circumstance, 45% of Orthodox Christians are pro-life in nearly every circumstance, 75% of Jehovah’s Witnesses are pro-life in nearly every circumstance, and 70% of Mormons are pro-life in nearly every circumstance. These numbers are all very high compared to those who are nonreligious (only 23% of them are pro-life in nearly every circumstance). Christians are much more likely to be pro-life than pro-choice. And Christians are also much more likely to adopt than the average adult.


There goes another one of your liberal myths

Pew Research Center

MARCH 25, 2024

What the data says about abortion in the U.S.​

An exact answer is hard to come by. The CDC and the Guttmacher Institute have each tried to measure this for around half a century, but they use different methods and publish different figures.

The last year for which the CDC reported a yearly national total for abortions is 2021. It found there were 625,978 abortions in the District of Columbia and the 46 states with available data that year, up from 597,355 in those states and D.C. in 2020. The corresponding figure for 2019 was 607,720.

The last year for which Guttmacher reported a yearly national total was 2020. It said there were 930,160 abortions that year in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, compared with 916,460 in 2019.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...-many-abortions-are-there-in-the-us-each-year

Every teenage girl and every woman who has an abortion is pregnant with a child she does not want to raise. If there are a vast number of people who want to adopt these children, please give the number, and document your assertion. I doubt there are.

 

[JaySecrets]

I appreciate charity. I think it's dumb that people need some religion to rationalize it.
Like if they didn't have their god, they wouldn't be doing anything worthwhile. Always seems weird to me


I didn't make that argument.

Show me the stats showing atheists and the non- religious doing more charity. It's easy to say you don't need God to do all that good. Show me the proof

 

[ll74]

Show me the stats showing atheists and the non- religious doing more charity. It's easy to say you don't need God to do all that good. Show me the proof

You really have issues reading.

I said it is weird to me that people need a god to rationalize their charity or any decisions. That, to me, means religious people likely would be complete assholes if they didn't have the fear of some eternal punishment that they believe in.

There is no proof needed for me to think that behavior is weird.

 

[JaySecrets]

What's more important?
Starving children in South Africa or the Rags getting spanked in overtime last night?

No contest

It's the Christians who are most involved in feeding those starving children, and by a lot. Show me all those atheists doing the work to feed the starving around the world.

 

[ll74]

It's the Christians who are most involved in feeding those starving children, and by a lot. Show me all those atheists doing the work to feed the starving around the world.

Dude, I don't care that you think your team is the best.

 

[JaySecrets]

You really have issues reading.

I said it is weird to me that people need a god to rationalize their charity or any decisions. That, to me, means religious people likely would be complete assholes if they didn't have the fear of some eternal punishment that they believe in.

There is no proof needed for me to think that behavior is weird.

So your side is comprised of actual assholes who don't sacrifice for the good of others, but you mock those who DO sacrifice, based on the assumption that they MIGHT otherwise be assholes?

 

[JaySecrets]

You really have issues reading.

I said it is weird to me that people need a god to rationalize their charity or any decisions. That, to me, means religious people likely would be complete assholes if they didn't have the fear of some eternal punishment that they believe in.

There is no proof needed for me to think that behavior is weird.

You realize that alone proves my point.

 

[ll74]

So your side is comprised of actual assholes who don't sacrifice for the good of others, but you mock those who DO sacrifice, based on the assumption that they MIGHT otherwise be assholes

I give to others because it helps them. I don't need a religion for that. I mock religion because it's logically odd to me. I also find it weird that my mocking religion offends you. If your religion has a place for people who don't believe in it, why should it bother you that I don't align with your perspective? Why would anything o say regarding your beliefs even bother you? And why are you constantly telling everyone how your religious perspective is superior?

You've insulted me directly because of my beliefs and I still support you lobbying for yours.

 

[ll74]

You realize that alone proves my point.

Please elaborate. Me thinking your religious perspective is weird proves what point?

 

[JaySecrets]

You really have issues reading.

I said it is weird to me that people need a god to rationalize their charity or any decisions. That, to me, means religious people likely would be complete assholes if they didn't have the fear of some eternal punishment that they believe in.

There is no proof needed for me to think that behavior is weird.

And you don't seem to get it. We don't love others because we are scared of God beating us down. We help and love others because we have been loved first and beyond. The love God has for us makes us WANT to live others because HE loves them and they are special and made in His image.

 

[ll74]

And you don't seem to get it. We don't love others because we are scared of God beating us down. We help and love others because we have been loved first and beyond. The love God has for us makes us WANT to live others because HE loves them and they are special and made in His image.

And without that god, you would not?

 

[JaySecrets]

Please elaborate. Me thinking your religious perspective is weird proves what point?

The point that, even if you personally help and invest in others, not just give to Human Rights Campaign and scream for more government, that isn't the norm on your side. Christians build the hospitals, travel to and move to other countries, putting their lives at risk to help others, give to the poor, invest in their lives, run most of the shelters an pantries out there... It's Christians, not atheists on the front lines. The stats have backed up that assertion over and over. So show me the stats that show atheists and the non- religious doing the bulk of that work, or even being close to the amount of such work Christians do. You were the one who claimed you don't need God to be good. So show me the evidence.

 

[JaySecrets]

And without that god, you would not?

Without a standard of right and wrong, there would be no objective reason to. Not saying that I wouldn't. I'm saying that any purpose for it goes out the window. And I am saying that you run into that problem, and your side's lack of charity anywhere near what Christians do in their communities and in the world proves the point

 

[ll74]

The point that, even if you personally help and invest in others, not just give to Human Rights Campaign and scream for more government, that isn't the norm on your side. Christians build the hospitals, travel to and move to other countries, putting their lives at risk to help others, give to the poor, invest in their lives, run most of the shelters an pantries out there... It's Christians, not atheists on the front lines. The stats have backed up that assertion over and over. So show me the stats that show atheists and the non- religious doing the bulk of that work, or even being close to the amount of such work Christians do. You were the one who claimed you don't need God to be good. So show me the evidence.

Evidence that I don't need god to be good? What the fuck does that mean?

 

[ll74]

Without a standard of right and wrong, there would be no objective reason to. Not saying that I wouldn't. I'm saying that any purpose for it goes out the window. And I am saying that you run into that problem, and your side's lack of charity anywhere near what Christians do in their communities and in the world proves the point

So you require religion to not be an asshole....you would see no purpose to be a loving person because you would not have a god to attribute it to.

Is this correct?

And I am not on a team. I am not against religion or for atheism. I am an atheist. While you continue to blast how you are superior because of religion and that "my side" is inferior, I have never claimed either regarding your beliefs. I've said that I find it weird.

 

[RoryN]

You were the one who claimed you don't need God to be good...show me the evidence.

Millions of atheists who are good & better people than you are, based your behavior here.

*drop*

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Without a standard of right and wrong, there would be no objective reason to. Not saying that I wouldn't. I'm saying that any purpose for it goes out the window. And I am saying that you run into that problem, and your side's lack of charity anywhere near what Christians do in their communities and in the world proves the point

So why does Jesus intentionally ignore the prayers of hungry children?