Two! Four! Six! Eight! JaySecrets Prevaricates!

[jaF0]

The God Squad is among the most restrictive, hateful and intolerant groups on the planet.

 

[JaySecrets]

So you require religion to not be an asshole....you would see no purpose to be a loving person because you would not have a god to attribute it to.

Is this correct?

And I am not on a team. I am not against religion or for atheism. I am an atheist. While you continue to blast how you are superior because of religion and that "my side" is inferior, I have never claimed either regarding your beliefs. I've said that I find it weird.

If your assertion is factual, then the stats will play it out. There are tons of polls and studies on who is involved in personal, one-on-one charity, who isn't, and what their faith and worldview is, and how one affects the other. So show me the numbers backing your claim.

 

[JaySecrets]

Millions of atheists who are good & better people than you are, based your behavior here.

*drop*

I asked you once not to address me ever again. I don't deal with people who accuse others of pedophilia and beastiality for no reason except they have no valid argument. The fact that your mind goes there at all says all I need to know of your character. Please do not address me again. You are not being spoken to.

 

[ll74]

If your assertion is factual, then the stats will play it out.

What assertion? That I find it weird that you need a god to find purpose or to rationalize charity?

No stat will change that I feel that way....sorry

There are tons of polls and studies on who is involved in personal, one-on-one charity, who isn't, and what their faith and worldview is, and how one affects the other. So show me the numbers backing your claim.

I don't have an issue that people give more because of religion nor have I suggested that not to be the case.

I don't have a claim outside of finding the behavior odd.

 

[JaySecrets]

The God Squad is among the most restrictive, hateful and intolerant groups on the planet.

Yet the God Squad does the most charity, does the most adopting and fostering, and sacrifices of their time, resources, and even lives to help others. Yeah, that jibes.

 

[JaySecrets]

So why does Jesus intentionally ignore the prayers of hungry children?

He doesn't. He uses Christians and others to meet the needs. And to say that suffering is BECAUSE of God is to say man shouldn't have free will. Free will means people will hurt each other, do wrong, not care for one another, and generally choose to act against what is right. Or they will choose to love God and love their neighbor. To remove the consequences means removing the choice. From everyone. Including you. Love requires a choice, and God is Love.

 

[JaySecrets]

What assertion? That I find it weird that you need a god to find purpose or to rationalize charity?

No stat will change that I feel that way....sorry


I don't have an issue that people give more because of religion nor have I suggested that not to be the case.

I don't have a claim outside of finding the behavior odd.

And I find it odd that you can't cite the overwhelming evidence of people doing good without God.

 

[RoryN]

I asked you once not to address me ever again. I don't deal with people who accuse others of pedophilia and beastiality for no reason except they have no valid argument. The fact that your mind goes there at all says all I need to know of your character. Please do not address me again. You are not being spoken to.

Sorry - you waived that right when you decided to spam my thread. Apparently, you feel as though you can dish it out without being forced to take it; typical Deplorable hypocrisy.

I will address you as much as I wish, whenever I wish. We all will.

And I will continue to refer to and post your shitty writing, no matter what you do.

Mess with the bull...

 

[ll74]

And I find it odd that you can't cite the overwhelming evidence of people doing good without God.

Why would I need to cite that? There are atheists who do good things. There are satanists that do good things. There are muslims that do good things.

Am I supposed to engage your perspective that your religion is superior as if that requires my acknowledgement or concession? Your ego is your own issue, not mine.

I already have acknowledged that religious people give more to charity. That doesn't make my beliefs inferior to anyone else's.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Show me the stats showing atheists and the non- religious doing more charity. It's easy to say you don't need God to do all that good. Show me the proof

Oh are we going to go through THIS trope again?

For the record, "Christians" contribute more to charity than non-Christians. Having said that, most of the Christian largesse goes to benefit....their fellow Christians.

Examples include contributing to the church gymnasium fund so that little Billy doesn't have to play against black people in the public league.

or how about contributing your tax-writeoff to fund the maintenance of Joel Osteen's jet fleet? Or the extra security Joel had to hire when the poor and destitute wanted to shelter at Osteen's "church" (the former Houston Rockets basketball arena) after Hurricane Harvey?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Poor Jay is not doing too well in this thread.

 

[JaySecrets]

So why does Jesus intentionally ignore the prayers of hungry children?

So case in point. In India, there is TONS of food available. They have cattle and other meat sources in abundance. They won't eat the meat because they won't risk eating great grandma reincarnated. The cattle wander around and eat up crops which means less grain too.
Their cast system is also a direct result of their religion. They believe suffering purifies the soul for the next reincarnation, so they believe letting people suffer and starve IS charity. They allow slavery for the same reason. The wealthy are that way because they deserve it because of a past life, the poor, the same, the enslaved, the same.
They choose to believe a certain way, and it has implications. Are you saying God should remove their choice to be Hindu?

 

[jaF0]

^^^ Yet y'all keep sliding around in his secretions.

 

[jaF0]

Oh are we going to go through THIS trope again?

For the record, "Christians" contribute more to charity than non-Christians. Having said that, most of the Christian largesse goes to benefit....their fellow Christians.

Examples include ....

... Samaritan's Purse who descend on storm ravaged areas en-masse and build homes for those that have lost theirs, at little or no cost. Unfortunate that their leader is such a hateful piece of crap though.

 

[JaySecrets]

Oh are we going to go through THIS trope again?

For the record, "Christians" contribute more to charity than non-Christians. Having said that, most of the Christian largesse goes to benefit....their fellow Christians.

Examples include contributing to the church gymnasium fund so that little Billy doesn't have to play against black people in the public league.

or how about contributing your tax-writeoff to fund the maintenance of Joel Osteen's jet fleet? Or the extra security Joel had to hire when the poor and destitute wanted to shelter at Osteen's "church" (the former Houston Rockets basketball arena) after Hurricane Harvey?

Not the giving I am talking about and you know it. Salvation Army. Samaritan's Purse. Pacific Garden Mission. Most of the feeding the hungry organizations out there. Catholic Charities. Locally here, Bridge Street Mission. Countless churches that provide shelters, food pantries, clothing centers, baby supplies, financial help, and other resources for free. Doctors who go into third world nations and risk their lives and health to provide medical care, even when the very fact that they are Christians could get them killed in many of these nations. This it the nature of the charity that happens with Christians and the religious. And I haven't even scratched the surface. Where is your army of examples on the atheist and non-religious front? I'd love to see the list.

 

[JaySecrets]

Why would I need to cite that? There are atheists who do good things. There are satanists that do good things. There are muslims that do good things.

Am I supposed to engage your perspective that your religion is superior as if that requires my acknowledgement or concession? Your ego is your own issue, not mine.

I already have acknowledged that religious people give more to charity. That doesn't make my beliefs inferior to anyone else's.

But it does prove that people do indeed have a problem being "good without God". Kinda why Jesus had to come and die to begin with.

 

[JaySecrets]

... Samaritan's Purse who descend on storm ravaged areas en-masse and build homes for those that have lost theirs, at little or no cost. Unfortunate that their leader is such a hateful piece of crap though.

Wait... The man and his organizations sacrifice and give more for others than most people, no matter what their creed, will ever do, but he is a "hateful piece of crap"? He actively demonstrates love and compassion on a massive scale, but he's hateful? Do explain how that works?

 

[ll74]

But it does prove that people do indeed have a problem being "good without God". Kinda why Jesus had to come and die to begin with.

No, it doesn't prove that at all. I'm good without your god and have no issue at all without some guy named jesus in a book you subscribe to.

 

[JaySecrets]

Sorry - you waived that right when you decided to spam my thread. Apparently, you feel as though you can dish it out without being forced to take it; typical Deplorable hypocrisy.

I will address you as much as I wish, whenever I wish. We all will.

And I will continue to refer to and post your shitty writing, no matter what you do.

Mess with the bull...

I don't ever start calling people vile names or accusations. You are no bull. You are just a weak minded uninformed fools who is full of Bull Shit. Goodbye.

 

[ll74]

I don't ever start calling people vile names or accusations. You are no bull. You are just a weak minded uninformed fools who is full of Bull Shit. Goodbye.

You have called me names for my views on abortion. Quit lying.

 

[JaySecrets]

So why does Jesus intentionally ignore the prayers of hungry children?

Let me ask you something far more relevant. How many boxes of food have you personally brought to those hungry? How many times have you hugged a child after feeding them, reminding them that they have infinite worth? How many times have you personally housed the homeless, abused woman struggling with addiction? How many times have you spent your hours visiting with the outcast, reminding them they are loved? Because that's what the "Deplorables" are busy doing in their day to day lives. That kind of love is trademark for Christianity. So do YOU love others that way?

 

[JaySecrets]

You have called me names for my views on abortion. Quit lying.

I have factually called you complicit with murder, because that is what abortion it, like it or not. I have not made that statement minus evidence. You said you support a woman's killing the baby in the womb, though you refuse to be honest enough to call it that, and I gave the proper label. Far different from randomly accusing someone of pedophilia and beastiality. And we aren't going there again.

 

[RoryN]

"Honor it's worth by taking that bend,
Open palmed grasplessness, content at once was"

- JaySecrets poetry

^^^
You probably shouldn't be using words like "grasplessness" if you don't know how to use the correct form of "its" or hyphens.

 

[ll74]

I have factually called you complicit with murder, because that is what abortion it, like it or not. I have not made that statement minus evidence. You said you support a woman's killing the baby in the womb, though you refuse to be honest enough to call it that, and I gave the proper label. Far different from randomly accusing someone of pedophilia and beastiality. And we aren't going there again.

As I said, you have called me names because of my views on abortion.

Whether you believe those names to be rooted in some sort of truth is irrelevant to that.

 

[JaySecrets]

"Honor it's worth by taking that bend,
Open palmed grasplessness, content at once was"

- JaySecrets poetry

^^^
You probably shouldn't be using words like "grasplessness" if you don't know how to use the correct form of "its" or hyphens.

You probably shouldn't be critiquing poetry unless you can prove you have the chops to write as well.