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[intothewoods]

Stella, I've heard this observation about conservatives before, and I agree with it.

So, I'm embarrassed to admit that I got caught up in the media coverage on this without reading Fluke's actual testimony. She does describe the annual cost of contraception, but the bulk of her testimony is about fellow students who need the pill for medically indicated reasons. I don't think there's anything wrong with covering birth control for birth control, of course, even for sluts and whores. . But as usual Rush Limbaugh is in fact a big fat idiot.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

Stella, I've heard this observation about conservatives before, and I agree with it.

So, I'm embarrassed to admit that I got caught up in the media coverage on this without reading Fluke's actual testimony. She does describe the annual cost of contraception, but the bulk of her testimony is about fellow students who need the pill for medically indicated reasons. I don't think there's anything wrong with covering birth control for birth control, of course, even for sluts and whores. . But as usual Rush Limbaugh is in fact a big fat idiot.

Rush came clean, though!

"I acted too much like the leftists who despise me,” Limbaugh said on today’s show, according to a transcript at his website. “I descended to their level, using names and exaggerations to describe Sandra Fluke. It was wrong, and that’s why I’ve apologized.”

Well it all feels real personal to me today, I just want to curl up and cry.

 

[Stella_Omega]

When have leftists have ever needed to exaggerate when they talk about limbugh?

 

[JMohegan]

He has a lot of friends, but I suppose we mostly amass friends from where we hang out, and he hangs out at his church a lot. He has that dichotomy of a lot of good evangelicals: So much good along with the bad. He is a profoundly good person, volunteers tons of his time and money to help those in need, and does mission trips to dig wells in poor villages - all informed by his faith. But his political views start with the idea that there is no gray area in life (!) and the world is divided into the godly and ungodly, saved and unsaved, and guess what that translates into politically? Santorum was his dream candidate 6 months ago.

This is what I genuinely don't get. So many of the right wing evangelical positions seem diametrically opposed to the whole 'jesus loves you' thing, the 'do unto others' thing, the 'what you do for the least among you you do for me' thing, the kindness to whores and lepers thing, etc.

 

[rosco rathbone]

This is what I genuinely don't get. So many of the right wing evangelical positions seem diametrically opposed to the whole 'jesus loves you' thing, the 'do unto others' thing, the 'what you do for the least among you you do for me' thing, the kindness to whores and lepers thing, etc.

It's well known that the evangelicals really prefer the Hebrew Bible to the teachings of that barefoot hippie, Christ.

 

[JMohegan]

It's well known that the evangelicals really prefer the Hebrew Bible to the teachings of that barefoot hippie, Christ.

This explains quite a bit.

How the heck are you, Rosco? (Great av)

 

[rosco rathbone]

This explains quite a bit.

How the heck are you, Rosco? (Great av)

Tolerably well suh, tolerably well. And you?

 

[JMohegan]

Tolerably well suh, tolerably well. And you?

Tolerably well about does it.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

It's well known that the evangelicals really prefer the Hebrew Bible to the teachings of that barefoot hippie, Christ.

Hmmm. Good point...

 

[YourCaptor]

Stella, I've heard this observation about conservatives before, and I agree with it.

So, I'm embarrassed to admit that I got caught up in the media coverage on this without reading Fluke's actual testimony. She does describe the annual cost of contraception, but the bulk of her testimony is about fellow students who need the pill for medically indicated reasons. I don't think there's anything wrong with covering birth control for birth control, of course, even for sluts and whores. . But as usual Rush Limbaugh is in fact a big fat idiot.

lol, so I looked up this thing.

From wiki

"So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it, and I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."

I think this statement makes it very clear that.

1. This rush guy can't get a girl.
2. He has settled for porn.

The whole time I was reading this I was just thinking, when I buy health insurance for my girls, birth control better be covered.

Also, 3,000 for 3 years. That's what they are complaining about? I pay 10,000 a year. No offense, but I kinda think I got a bigger problem.

 

[intothewoods]

lol, so I looked up this thing.

From wiki

"So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it, and I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."

I think this statement makes it very clear that.

1. This rush guy can't get a girl.
2. He has settled for porn.

The whole time I was reading this I was just thinking, when I buy health insurance for my girls, birth control better be covered.

Also, 3,000 for 3 years. That's what they are complaining about? I pay 10,000 a year. No offense, but I kinda think I got a bigger problem.

My first thought was "feminazis"? Still? That's so 1990s.

 

[intothewoods]

Rush came clean, though!

"I acted too much like the leftists who despise me,” Limbaugh said on today’s show, according to a transcript at his website. “I descended to their level, using names and exaggerations to describe Sandra Fluke. It was wrong, and that’s why I’ve apologized.”

Ha.

When have leftists have ever needed to exaggerate when they talk about limbugh?

Seriously.

It's well known that the evangelicals really prefer the Hebrew Bible to the teachings of that barefoot hippie, Christ.

You are such a Jew hater.

Well it all feels real personal to me today, I just want to curl up and cry.

I feel the same these days. Especially on the abortion issue.

 

[midwestyankee]

<snip>

Also, 3,000 for 3 years. That's what they are complaining about? I pay 10,000 a year. No offense, but I kinda think I got a bigger problem.

You put out ten grand a year for condoms? That's pretty fucking impressive right there. You ought to become your own circus.

 

[JMohegan]

lol, so I looked up this thing.

From wiki

"So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it, and I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."

I think this statement makes it very clear that.

1. This rush guy can't get a girl.
2. He has settled for porn.

Not hardly. He's on wife #4.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/0...things-to-know-about-rush-limbaughs-bride-to/

 

[Keroin]

So I'm curious what our Lit Us political pundits think about cutting off UNESCO funding?

(Yes, I get my US news from the Daily Show).

 

[rosco rathbone]

Ten years old, but great stuff:

http://examinedlife.typepad.com/johnbelle/2003/11/dead_right.html

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

Yes, Americans are way more polarized than they used to be.

Much of the change is because Republicans have shifted to the right since the 1980s (particularly in the past decade), abandoning consensus for things like a safety net and tougher environmental standards:

"Republicans and Democrats are furthest apart in their opinions about the social safety net. There are partisan differences of 35 points or more in opinions about the government’s responsibility to care for the poor, whether the government should help more needy people if it means adding to the debt and whether the government should guarantee all citizens enough to eat and a place to sleep.

On all three measures, the percentage of Republicans asserting a government responsibility to aid the poor has fallen in recent years to 25-year lows.

Just 40 percent of Republicans agree that “It is the responsibility of the government to take care of people who can’t take care of themselves,” down 18 points since 2007. In three surveys during the George W. Bush administration, no fewer than half of Republicans said the government had a responsibility to care for those unable to care for themselves. In 1987, during the Ronald Reagan’s second term, 62 percent expressed this view.

Over the past two decades, the public consensus in favor of tougher environmental restrictions has weakened, also primarily because of changing opinions among Republicans.

For the first time in a Pew Research Center political values survey, only about half of Republicans (47 percent) agree that “there needs to be stricter laws and regulations to protect the environment.” This represents a decline of 17 points since 2009 and a fall of nearly 40 points, from 86 percent, since 1992.

The partisan gap over this measure was modest two decades ago. Today, roughly twice as many Democrats as Republicans say stricter environmental laws and regulations are needed (93 percent vs. 47 percent)."


We have two vastly different visions of the country. I might say that's a positive, as it provides voters a clear choice. But the moneymoneymoneymoney precludes true electoral choice.

And the GOP would rather milk the clock, seemingly forever. And it may work.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

Posting this for posterity, because it's so goshdarn swell.

 

[gypsy*seer]

2012GOP?

Unbelievable....
(IMHO - no offense, people!)

 

[Stella_Omega]

2012GOP?

Unbelievable....
(IMHO - no offense, people!)

What a miserable shameful spectacle, huh? Some of my conservative friends are saying that the GOP has handed the presidency to Obama on a plate.

I tell them to vote for Ron Paul. At the very least he can do for the Republicans what Nader did for the Democrats a while back.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

2012GOP?

Unbelievable....
(IMHO - no offense, people!)

What a miserable shameful spectacle, huh? Some of my conservative friends are saying that the GOP has handed the presidency to Obama on a plate.

I tell them to vote for Ron Paul. At the very least he can do for the Republicans what Nader did for the Democrats a while back.

Vote for the talking-suit robber baron and the punk-ass Ayn Rand fanboy who wants to legislate everyone back to the stone age!!!

 

[midwestyankee]

I did my best to give Mitt a fair listen last night. He seems earnest enough and all the previous speakers had made it plain that he's a good man and a good family guy. But I have a couple of concerns:

1) If he wants to lead us, he ought to have enough confidence in his direction to give us a clear picture of where he wants us to go.

2) The writers of his speech apparently have not read either Mitt's budget plan nor the Republican party platform.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Speaking of the Republican platform, this article from the Washington Post (yes, I'm aware that it's a liberal-leaning newspaper, but that doesn't make it *wrong*).

The 10 oddest items in the GOP platform
Posted by Brad Plumer on August 29, 2012

1) Repeal the Sixteenth Amendment! Maybe…
2) Police the universities for liberal bias.
3) Defend the Electoral College at all costs.
4) End our dependence on foreign… fertilizer?
5) Affirmative action for Republican officials inside the District of Columbia.
6) Selective statehood.
7) Step up the war against pornography.
8) Innovation is all about freedom.
9) Reconsider the gold standard.
10) No minimum wage for the Mariana Islands.​

If you have questions about any of the items listed above, just jump to the article linked ("this article") above. It's not terribly long, and it's not a slideshow.

In the interest of full disclosure, I consider myself a 70s-type conservative, and had I had the beliefs and concerns I now have in the 70s (rather than the beliefs and concerns I had then, in my 20s), I would have registered, and mostly voted, Republican. I am not now a Republican, and I do not consider most of those associated with Mr. Romney, Mr. Ryan and the rest of the most visible of their party to represent my conservative beliefs. I do not consider Tea Partiers to represent me in any way at all.

The current "Republican Party," and its offshoot Tea Party, seem to me to be far more a throwback to the religious bigots/fanatics of certain of the colonies - the ones who burned witches, shunned or exiled anyone who didn't meet their strict (public) codes of morals, etc. I am deeply concerned about the future of this once-great nation should these people get even more thoroughly entrenched in the policy-making and -enforcing arms of our government.

 

[Netzach]

Mitt = Right Wing John Kerry.

They even look kind of grown in the same lab.

I'm kind of enjoying watching the "bounce" er, not.

 

[Netzach]

Speaking of the Republican platform, this article from the Washington Post (yes, I'm aware that it's a liberal-leaning newspaper, but that doesn't make it *wrong*).

The 10 oddest items in the GOP platform
Posted by Brad Plumer on August 29, 2012

1) Repeal the Sixteenth Amendment! Maybe…
2) Police the universities for liberal bias.
3) Defend the Electoral College at all costs.
4) End our dependence on foreign… fertilizer?
5) Affirmative action for Republican officials inside the District of Columbia.
6) Selective statehood.
7) Step up the war against pornography.
8) Innovation is all about freedom.
9) Reconsider the gold standard.
10) No minimum wage for the Mariana Islands.​

If you have questions about any of the items listed above, just jump to the article linked ("this article") above. It's not terribly long, and it's not a slideshow.

In the interest of full disclosure, I consider myself a 70s-type conservative, and had I had the beliefs and concerns I now have in the 70s (rather than the beliefs and concerns I had then, in my 20s), I would have registered, and mostly voted, Republican. I am not now a Republican, and I do not consider most of those associated with Mr. Romney, Mr. Ryan and the rest of the most visible of their party to represent my conservative beliefs. I do not consider Tea Partiers to represent me in any way at all.

The current "Republican Party," and its offshoot Tea Party, seem to me to be far more a throwback to the religious bigots/fanatics of certain of the colonies - the ones who burned witches, shunned or exiled anyone who didn't meet their strict (public) codes of morals, etc. I am deeply concerned about the future of this once-great nation should these people get even more thoroughly entrenched in the policy-making and -enforcing arms of our government.

WaPo LIBERAL LEANING?

Whose Kool aid are you drinking?

WaPo Fox and Gallup are the only three entities on the planet that have a Romney win projected. WaPo lives in a genteel echo chamber of right wing hill smug so strong that you have to put a mask on just to read the thing.

There is only ONE real bias in major news outlets and it's corporate bias. I could see how people MIGHT say this about the NYT or NPR (still wrong, but whatever)

If there's ONE paper that exists to make WASPS feel as comfortable as they do reading Barron's it's WaPo.