What do you consider extreme BDSM?

[Kajira Callista]

Overall, I agree with Geoff.

Death and dismemberment - definitely extreme, besides, why would I want to cause the death of or take apart my favorite playtoy?

I suppose, that would be the *ultimate* scene, but after that, what's next?

*giggles*

 

[O'Mac]

Originally Posted by Evil_Geoff
...critters ain't kink, that's criminal.

Not in all 50 states and certainly not worldwide. Or are we talking about our own laws based on personal morality?

I'm sure beastiality is probably illegal in more regions than you may think. Remembering a few newspaper articles a while back there was one fellow in the US busted for beastiality with pigs, and I can recall a few cases happening with other assorted domesticated animals in Europe when I was living in the UK.

I don't think Evil_Geoff's argument in that regard was based on anything but legalities.

 

[Xelebes]

I'm sure beastiality is probably illegal in more regions than you may think. Remembering a few newspaper articles a while back there was one fellow in the US busted for beastiality with pigs, and I can recall a few cases happening with other assorted domesticated animals in Europe when I was living in the UK.

I don't think Evil_Geoff's argument in that regard was based on anything but legalities.

Heard about that man who married a goat in Sudan?

 

[Quint]

I'm sure beastiality is probably illegal in more regions than you may think. Remembering a few newspaper articles a while back there was one fellow in the US busted for beastiality with pigs, and I can recall a few cases happening with other assorted domesticated animals in Europe when I was living in the UK.

I don't think Evil_Geoff's argument in that regard was based on anything but legalities.

I'm not denying that it's a widespread law, probably even the majority; however, it is NOT illegal in several places I can think of off the top of my head, and I'm not even a reputable repository of useless knowledge.

 

[FurryFury]

What do I consider extreme? Anything I can't bring myself to do (yet.) *smiles thinking about those things*

Fury

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Not in all 50 states and certainly not worldwide. Or are we talking about our own laws based on personal morality?

Bestiality is criminal in South Carolina, that's where I reside, those are the laws I know about. Besides, animals can't give informed consent, QED bestiality is non-consentual, therefore it's off my menu. I don't consider it "extreme", just distasteful. Rather like scat.

If it's legal in your location and it floats your boat, rock on.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Bestiality is criminal in South Carolina, that's where I reside, those are the laws I know about. Besides, animals can't give informed consent, QED bestiality is non-consentual, therefore it's off my menu. I don't consider it "extreme", just distasteful. Rather like scat.

If it's legal in your location and it floats your boat, rock on.

LOL, I prefer to think in global terms when discussing D/s and related topics (well most things in life actually), probably because I have always had an interest in how others live elsewhere, and now find I am finding out first hand. But what really amazes me is this assumption when beastiality is raised as a topic, that the animal in question is not consensual and forced to accomodate the nasty, perverted human's desires....interesting fact I have learned is many animals are the ones who make the first move, some being more insistant than others...I would call that consensual on their part.

And yes, I know some people like to think of their pets and all animals as childlike, (I call our cats our babies) but reality is animals do have an adult phase of lifespan, so are aware of what they want and not blindly coerced into something they are going to suffer psychologically over the rest of their lives. Add to that, there are many other things we all do (well most here) which fall under illegal or questionable by US or Australian law, and legality loses some of its reason to be used as an excuse. Sheesh, when I was living in Oz, it was illegal to be found to have a whip in your car (probably still is)...amazing given the culture there where rural life is a big reality, and whips sometimes are part of the tools of trade.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm not denying that it's a widespread law, probably even the majority; however, it is NOT illegal in several places I can think of off the top of my head, and I'm not even a reputable repository of useless knowledge.

Oh, yes you are!!

Catalina

 

[cati]

. But what really amazes me is this assumption when beastiality is raised as a topic, that the animal in question is not consensual and forced to accomodate the nasty, perverted human's desires....interesting fact I have learned is many animals are the ones who make the first move, some being more insistant than others...I would call that consensual on their part.
Catalina

Without offering my personal stance on the situation. I have to ask the question: Is animal training and behaviour modification consensual?

Going along with what catalina said in her post. I'm going to use a canine as an example of common bestiality play.

Since most male dogs have natural alpha tendencies, there must be someone present who will "alpha" the dog.
We watched a bestiality flick once where the dog actually growls and nips at the girl's bum to get her to go down on all fours and submit to him. Should she not have complied with his demands, I'm sure that the dog might have eventually attacked were it not controlled by another alpha (human).

In essence, the dog's status among humans had been altered, in that the animal's (natural) perception that humans (male or female) should be alpha over him...being the domesticated animal that he is.

It is not "natural" for an animal to mate with a human, so I have to argue catalina's point saying that some may be inclined to do so, even incessant in their wanting to.
Not to say it can't happen... as there are always exceptions to the rule.

By way of example does the mini-dachshund who humps your leg really want to have sex with you or does he have a nervous condition? ...chuckles.

Did you know that de Sade actually ate human excrement in bite-sized pellets savouring the various flavour of each..... stomach queasy as I write this.

 

[O'Mac]

Heard about that man who married a goat in Sudan?

Yeah, actually it sounds familiar, Xelebes. I think I remember it off fark.com a few days ago or something. Do you remember what the circumstances of it were?

 

[Evil_Geoff]

.... But what really amazes me is this assumption when beastiality is raised as a topic, that the animal in question is not consensual and forced to accomodate the nasty, perverted human's desires.... but reality is animals do have an adult phase of lifespan, so are aware of what they want and not blindly coerced into something they are going to suffer psychologically over the rest of their lives.

Catalina

Not being coerced, and being able to give informed consent, are two very very different things. An animal, because they lack the cognitive and expressive consciousness of a human being, is incapable of giving informed consent. It may be a fully aware, adult animal, but it is still an animal. Reacting to an instinctual (or trained) command to mate, does not make what the animal does consentual.

An immature human being, or a mentally handicapped or disabled one, who has much more cognitive and expresive consciousness than any animal (except perhaps dolphins and whales), cannot give informed consent to what we do. How so, then, can an animal?

And lest we forget, This thread is about "extreme BDSM", NOT "extreme sex". Hellooooooo! I'm a sadist! I like to HURT people. Especially before or during sex. An adult human being can accept and consent to the painful things I do to them. But an animal? ? ? To the animal what I enjoy doing would be pure misery, there would be no pleasure in it for the animal. It would be cruel and inhumane to beat an animal the way I beat a consenting, adult, human partner. If I were to be caught playing with an animal the way I play with a human, I would be locked away in a prison very quickly, for a very very long time.

Personally, I would not want to have sex with an immature, or mentally disabled human partner. I don't want to have sex with an animal. Then again, there are perfectly capable, mature, non-disabled human beings I don't want to have sex with, either. I am VERY picky about where I put my pickle! *grins and shrugs*

As I said before, if anyone resides in a location where it's not illegal, and having sex with Fluffy or Spot, or Trigger gets them their jollies, please feel free to carry on. Sex _is_ a natural instinct for most animals, they probably enjoy getting off as much as any of the rest of us. Sex with a critter isn't going to kill them or maim them for life. My tastes don't dictate anyone elses. Just because I find an act squicky doesn't mean I am condemning it for anyone else.

But if someone BEATS Scruffy or Muffin or Silver to get their jollies, well then, I _do_ have a problem with that, and if I find out, I will not have any problems reporting the inhumane treatment of the poor animal to the local Animal Protection Society or equivalent. Sex is one thing, sadism is another.

Nuff said!
- Geoff

 

[cati]

Getting back to extreme BDSM....

Breast implants for male subs or any extreme form of body modification is way too much. Unless of course they are in a state of "sexual transition."

The use of cut glass or razor blades for blood letting.

I couldn't handle being in full latex body suit with just a small hole at the mouth for breathing. I'm getting an anxiety attack just thinking about it.

Scat.

I can't say I dislike Roman showers because I accidently threw up after some heavy gagging during a BJ. I am however... embarrassed by it.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Getting back to extreme BDSM....

I can't say I dislike Roman showers because I accidently threw up after some heavy gagging during a BJ. I am however... embarrassed by it.

Oh shit... that happened to me, too... just a short time back.

God, that was a most embarrassing experience.

 

[cati]

laffs... well at least it wasn't alot. I tried to clean it up as fast as I could but he saw or felt that it wasn't just drool....arghhh. I learned not to eat anything prior.

 

[raven2]

Since most male dogs have natural alpha tendencies, there must be someone present who will "alpha" the dog.

Actually male dogs run the gamut from dominant to submissive. Their behavior is very much like humans in that respect. It is always good to test pups before you get them, that way you will know what you are getting in terms of personality.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Did you know that de Sade actually ate human excrement in bite-sized pellets savouring the various flavour of each..... stomach queasy as I write this.

cati.......what are you doing .........ewwww .......thanks for sharing .....as if the pro bestiality isn't enough .......oh my

 

[cati]

Sorry rebecca, I just came across that tasty tid-bit last nite and had the urge to share...grinz.

 

[RJMasters]

Extreme BDSM one

I shall begin pacing myself and work up.

When your idea of a spreader bar consists of a two-by-four, 2 nails and a hammer.

The skin between the big toe and the next one might be ideal nail placement, only you have to make sure you get enough skin to avoid the possible tearing. Also, sorry no suspension or fast jerking motions while grasping the two-by-four. Its mostly only for the OMG effect when they look up and see you holding them by the ankles firmly over their head where they can see their feet are actually nailed to a peice of wood while fucking them hard.

Oh and as an after thought, you might want to have a first aid kit handy for this one folks with plenty of iodine ...and lets not forget to sterilize them nails first as we want to make sure SSC is practiced .

Practicing hamming nails is a good idea if you don't want to miss and smash any piggys that need to go to market. And I'll finish this off with the obligitory blood will be spilled warning so wearing gloves is a pretty good idea too.

 

[Netzach]

Actually I haven't done this guy yet, but there's a client floating around out there who likes the webbing between his forefinger and thumb pierced with a sharpened stiletto metal heel.

I think I could do it, but I think I might get a little green in the gills at the last second. Either that or my panties will be drenched. I never know till I get there.

Add castration to that list of extreme BDSM. Add the fact that I get BEGGED for this every few months. I wouldn't do it, but I know a few doctors who'd do it, I'd send someone to the "vet" if it seemed the way to go for that person.

 

[RJMasters]

Actually I haven't done this guy yet, but there's a client floating around out there who likes the webbing between his forefinger and thumb pierced with a sharpened stiletto metal heel.

I think I could do it, but I think I might get a little green in the gills at the last second. Either that or my panties will be drenched. I never know till I get there.

Add castration to that list of extreme BDSM. Add the fact that I get BEGGED for this every few months. I wouldn't do it, but I know a few doctors who'd do it, I'd send someone to the "vet" if it seemed the way to go for that person.

You might look at the webbing as a percing. Slightly modified heel might do the trick....and then plug it afterwards....with a stud.

http://www.molokosynthemesc.com/sea...iercing+(sorry+it's+blurry)<br><font+size=-1>

This was kinda what was running through my mind with the toe webbing. Definately a squick factor, but then again this thread is suppose to be about extreme BDSM....I see no sense in listing things I would not do...but things which border on the I can do this but I might be puking with a boner if I wasn't in the right bloodlust state.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Definately a squick factor, but then again this thread is suppose to be about extreme BDSM....I see no sense in listing things I would not do...but things which border on the I can do this but I might be puking with a boner if I wasn't in the right bloodlust state.

*giggles*

 

[catalina_francisco]

Not being coerced, and being able to give informed consent, are two very very different things. An animal, because they lack the cognitive and expressive consciousness of a human being, is incapable of giving informed consent. It may be a fully aware, adult animal, but it is still an animal. Reacting to an instinctual (or trained) command to mate, does not make what the animal does consentual.

An immature human being, or a mentally handicapped or disabled one, who has much more cognitive and expresive consciousness than any animal (except perhaps dolphins and whales), cannot give informed consent to what we do. How so, then, can an animal?

And lest we forget, This thread is about "extreme BDSM", NOT "extreme sex". Hellooooooo! I'm a sadist! I like to HURT people. Especially before or during sex. An adult human being can accept and consent to the painful things I do to them. But an animal? ? ? To the animal what I enjoy doing would be pure misery, there would be no pleasure in it for the animal. It would be cruel and inhumane to beat an animal the way I beat a consenting, adult, human partner. If I were to be caught playing with an animal the way I play with a human, I would be locked away in a prison very quickly, for a very very long time.

Personally, I would not want to have sex with an immature, or mentally disabled human partner. I don't want to have sex with an animal. Then again, there are perfectly capable, mature, non-disabled human beings I don't want to have sex with, either. I am VERY picky about where I put my pickle! *grins and shrugs*

As I said before, if anyone resides in a location where it's not illegal, and having sex with Fluffy or Spot, or Trigger gets them their jollies, please feel free to carry on. Sex _is_ a natural instinct for most animals, they probably enjoy getting off as much as any of the rest of us. Sex with a critter isn't going to kill them or maim them for life. My tastes don't dictate anyone elses. Just because I find an act squicky doesn't mean I am condemning it for anyone else.

But if someone BEATS Scruffy or Muffin or Silver to get their jollies, well then, I _do_ have a problem with that, and if I find out, I will not have any problems reporting the inhumane treatment of the poor animal to the local Animal Protection Society or equivalent. Sex is one thing, sadism is another.

Nuff said!
- Geoff

Think I have said enough about my thoughts on beastiality for now, and no doubt in some peoples minds that has leapt the brain cells to equate to something totally else, especially in terms of behaviour and preferences, but I am getting used to that here these days, so won't bother addressing it in more depth as it seems pointless.

If you want to discuss how beastiality can be used in a D/s context (of course this is accompanied with a disclaimer that discussing or mentioning something does not in my world necessarily indicate the habits or preferences of the person who mentions it), I am happy to go there. In our world the way we live it, D/s and SM is not just about physical sadism, though that certainly plays a big part and have to say my permanent branding has probably been the most extreme we have gone in that area. For us it is widened to include psychological and emotional sadism which in terms of beastiality I imagine, could very well be played into by using it as a form of humiliation and degradation both short and long term without ever beating an animal or even coming close. I actually don't see that connection with sex with children or mentally disabled folk, but then my brain does not remotely go there anyway because morally it is not our cup of tea, and regardless of that, where the heck would be the D/s or sadism element to even make it enter one's mind?!!

Legality is another area which seems to be used subjectively. By that I mean, it is often raised as a reason for not doing such things as beastiality, and yet often the same people who use it as an excuse to not go there and to see that behaviour as distasteful, willingly participate in other activites which do not exactly fall within the guidelines of legal where they live. I have no issue with that, but it sure can get confusing.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Without offering my personal stance on the situation. I have to ask the question: Is animal training and behaviour modification consensual?

Going along with what catalina said in her post. I'm going to use a canine as an example of common bestiality play.

Since most male dogs have natural alpha tendencies, there must be someone present who will "alpha" the dog.
We watched a bestiality flick once where the dog actually growls and nips at the girl's bum to get her to go down on all fours and submit to him. Should she not have complied with his demands, I'm sure that the dog might have eventually attacked were it not controlled by another alpha (human).

In essence, the dog's status among humans had been altered, in that the animal's (natural) perception that humans (male or female) should be alpha over him...being the domesticated animal that he is.

It is not "natural" for an animal to mate with a human, so I have to argue catalina's point saying that some may be inclined to do so, even incessant in their wanting to.
Not to say it can't happen... as there are always exceptions to the rule.

By way of example does the mini-dachshund who humps your leg really want to have sex with you or does he have a nervous condition? ...chuckles.

Good point Cati...thanks.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Yeah, actually it sounds familiar, Xelebes. I think I remember it off fark.com a few days ago or something. Do you remember what the circumstances of it were?

From my memory it was a couple of years ago, but the details have slipped the brain cells. Hmm, perhaps there has been another one...maybe those Sudanese goats are ultra hot or something, or maybe they just don't get a headache!!

Catalina

 

[A Desert Rose]

catalina...

Beastiality... something I swore I'd never be involved with. But then, for some of us, limits are moveable things... LOL aren't they? And sometimes we end up eating our words.

That said...

my real point though is this, PM me or post (whichever you prefer) with the information (thread) about branding, please. The idea scares me to death, but oh well. We do what we're told, don't we?



edited to add:
Thank you, catalina. ;-)