What will history say about Trump?

[DukeofPaducah]

Oh really? Wow, thats amazing to hear, from you, that " the original occupants of the Black Hills have been there since shortly after the last ice age....which was before records were kept. How long ago are u thinkin the last ice age was? Are you trying to sell me on a fact based on a theory? Now im not saying this claim is wrong...but u cant claim that part is right bc that is someones interpretation of the evidence they found. Take it with a grain of salt. When u can prove something, u prove it with factual evidence, not interpretation. Interpretations just lead to theories.

What I have read in the archaeological record is that Paleolithic projectile points and flakes of chert and obsidian have been excavated in caves and overhangs in Clovis and Sandia NM.
The earliest evidence of human habitation in North America is the discovery of fossilized footprints in White Sands National Park, New Mexico:

• Discovery
  In 2021, researchers discovered 61 human footprints in streambeds that were pressed into mud between 21,000 and 23,000 years ago.
  
  
  
  
• Significance
  The discovery challenges the idea that humans migrated to North America across a land bridge from Asia about 14,000 years ago. Instead, it suggests that humans were already living in North America during the Last Glacial Maximum, when megafauna also coexisted with early humans.
  
  
  
  
• Dating
  The footprints were dated using radiocarbon dating of seed layers above and below the prints. A follow-up study published in Science confirmed the age of the footprints using two independent approaches.
  
  

Other evidence of early human habitation in North America includes:

• Bone blades and hammer stones: A butchering site with bone blades and hammer stones suggests that early humans broke down animal carcasses and rendered their fat over a fire.
  
  
  
  
• Clovis points: Spear heads used to hunt large game.
  
  
  
  
• Tools in Maryland: A collection of tools found in Maryland may date to 22,000

The earliest sign of human habitation in the Black Hills is from the Clovis culture, which dates back to 11,500 BC. Carbon-dating and stratigraphic records have been used to analyze the area's early history.



Here are some other archaeological findings in the Black Hills region:

• Badlands National Park
  The oldest site in Badlands National Park is over 12,000 years old and may have been a temporary camp for hunters.
  
  

 

[Tigersman]

What would they say about the harassments, impeachments and convictions of the Democrats in their attempts to defeat the man instead of winning the day on ideas?

And they still lost.

Harris lost because Trump and the right conservative media kept flooding Trump's lies day in and day out. The Republicans failed to do their fact checking and their own research so they bought into Trump's lies once again.

 

[Tigersman]

Biden did his utmost best, and failed and had to go...

Biden didn't fail, but it's hard to succeed when you are strapped with the Republican controlled House that is intent on impeaching you as retribution for impeaching Trump twice. Biden's first two years were spent cleaning up the messes Trump left behind.

 

[Bodington]

In Trump's first term, only three things of any importance at all got done:

1. Appointment of RW federal judges. Federalist Society types.

2. A massive tax cut for the rich.

3. Creation of a military Space Force.

And that's all. End of list.

There are so many other accomplishments Trump achieved in his first term which you have ignored. Rather than going through a full litany of them, and there are many, I’ll just highlight one of the most important ones. Pres Obama had negotiated a deal with Iran in a desperate attempt to forestall Iran from becoming a nuclear power. It is axiomatic, considering the bellicose regime of Iran’s mullahs, whose stated goal is to wipe out Israel off the map and advocate death to America, that it is not good for Iran to become a nuclear power. So, Obama got Iran to agree to halt their nuclear research and development for a period of ten years. In return Obama agreed to the release of the frozen assets of Iran and thus, pallets of cash valued in the amount of $1.7 billion consisting of Swiss francs, euros and other currencies were flown to Tehran. The kicker to this deal was that Iran would not allow international inspection by the UN to ascertain that Iran was in fact complying to their part of the agreement. Now that was a super deal; sarcasm intended!

When Trump became President, he rescinded this terrible Obama deal with Iran and instead applied sanctions on Iran. He was able to get European allies to also reciprocate and thus Iran was unable to sell their oil and became broke as a result. There’s no doubt that the worst four years for Iran in this century were the four years when Trump was in office. Since Biden, when he assumed office, immediately dropped Trump’s sanctions against Iran, it is safe to say that had Trump won the 2020 election then the Oct 7, 2023 massacre would not have occurred. Iran would not have had the funds to finance the Hamas attack. As indicated by the referenced podcast in my previous post, Trump, unlike Biden and or Harris, would be inclined to give carte blanche to Israel in wiping out Iran's military bases, oil fields and nuclear facilities, and thereby provide stability in the Middle East for more than ten Years. It is instructive to note that despite Trump's iron clad policy of full support for Israel as opposed to Harris' attempts to placate the Palistitaian cause Trump, still got 40% of the Arab vote in Michigan.

Incidentally, just out of curiosity, since you appear to be inflicted with TDS, do you literally believe the Harris campaign’s assertion echoed by their faithful lapdog accolades, the MSM, that Trump’s election will mean the end of Democracy as we know it and Trump will sic the military on anyone who did not vote for him? Those who actually believe such an outlandish suggestion to be possible are obviously ignorant of American history, the constitution and more particularly the Posse Comitatus Acts which generally prevents the president from using the military as a domestic police force.

 

[Bray123]

There are so many other accomplishments Trump achieved in his first term which you have ignored. Rather than going through a full litany of them, and there are many, I’ll just highlight one of the most important ones. Pres Obama had negotiated a deal with Iran in a desperate attempt to forestall Iran from becoming a nuclear power. It is axiomatic, considering the bellicose regime of Iran’s mullahs, whose stated goal is to wipe out Israel off the map and advocate death to America, that it is not good for Iran to become a nuclear power. So, Obama got Iran to agree to halt their nuclear research and development for a period of ten years. In return Obama agreed to the release of the frozen assets of Iran and thusd, pallets of cash valued in the amount of $1.7 billion consisting of Swiss francs, euros and other currencies were flown to Tehran. The kicker to this deal was that Iran would not allow international inspection by the UN to ascertain that Iran was in fact complying to their part of the agreement. Now that was a super deal; sarcasm intended!

When Trump became President, he rescinded this terrible Obama deal with Iran and instead applied sanctions on Iran. He was able to get European allies to also reciprocate and thus Iran was unable to sell their oil and became broke as a result. There’s no doubt that the worst four years for Iran in this century were the four years when Trump was in office. Since Biden, when he assumed office, immediately dropped Trump’s sanctions against Iran, it is safe to say that had Trump won the 2020 election then the Oct 7, 2023 massacre would not have occurred. Iran would not have had the funds to finance the Hamas attack. As indicated by the referenced podcast in my previous post, Trump, unlike, would be inclined to give carte blanche to Israel in wiping out military bases, oil fields and nuclear facilities in Iran and thereby provide stability in the Middle East for more than ten Years. It is instructive to note that despite Trump's iron clad policy full support of Israel as opposed to Harris' attempts to placate the Palistitaian cause Trump still got 40% of the Arab vote in Michigan.

Incidentally, just out of curiosity, since you appear to be inflicted with TDS, do you literally believe the Harris campaign’s assertion echoed by their faithful lapdog accolades, the MSM, that Trump’s election will mean the end of Democracy as we know it and Trump will sic the military on anyone who did not vote for him? Those who actually believe such an outlandish suggestion to be possible are obviously ignorant of American history, the constitution and more particularly the Posse Comitatus Acts which generally prevents the president from using the military as a domestic police force.

Trump ripped up the deal that prevented them from having nuclear weapons.

Iran has been selling their oil for years to Russia; the west has not been a market for Iranian oil since the Revolution.

You've been lied to.

 

[Bodington]

Trump ripped up the deal that prevented them from having nuclear weapons.

Iran has been selling their oil for years to Russia; the west has not been a market for Iranian oil since the Revolution.

You've been lied to.

My understanding is that Russia is self-sufficient in oil and had been exporting its surplus of oil. Am I missing something?

 

[Lazaran]

There are so many <snip>

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/11/politics/fact-check-trump-iran-fund-terror-groups





Bodingtard



Also:

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-call-suspend-constitution-gop-debate-chris-christie-1822131





Bodingtard

 

[Bray123]

My understanding is that Russia is self-sufficient in oil and had been exporting its surplus of oil. Am I missing something?

Correction, China.

Although Iran is a member of OPEC, it is exempt from the production cuts under the OPEC+ agreement because its crude oil production is constrained as a result of sanctions. Despite these sanctions, Iran increased shipments of crude oil, primarily to China, in 2022 and 2023. Iran raised crude oil output by about 1 million barrels per day (b/d) from 2020 to 2023 as its exports to China grew by almost 870 million b/d during this time.

https://www.eia.gov/international/content/analysis/countries_long/iran/

 

[Lazaran]

Correction, China.



https://www.eia.gov/international/content/analysis/countries_long/iran/

It’s well known that Malaysia was also helping Iran skirt sanctions, and there were undoubtedly others countries helping Iran skirt sanctions besides those that were fairly overt about it.



Ultimately, the sanctions did hurt Iran economically, and they did spur protests by the Iranian public that were brutally crushed, (208 dead and many more injured) but they didn’t cripple Iran or stop the funding of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and other Shia militants in the region.



In addition:

The sanctions AND the assassination of Qasem Soleimani (Iran’s national hero) AND the moving of the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem AND the exclusion of Iran and the Palestinians from the Abraham Accords DID anger Iran, and likely contributed to (triggered) the 10/7 attack on Israel.

Yay DonOld.!!!

 

[AceDesSpades]

Clearly, doin' right's got no economics...

 

[JohnEngelman]

What will history say about Trump? A single picture is worth a thousand words.....

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[JohnEngelman]

The lower / middle class have already had their worlds rocked by prices 20% higher than just three yrs ago for consumer goods...Cars 32% higher...Housing 90% higher...So who are we currently judging after a Electoral College landslide and a popular vote count of maybe a 4m difference...?

Wait until Trumps tariffs spark inflation.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Wait until Trumps tariffs spark inflation.

Too late. Biden/Harris already sparked inflation off. Duh

 

[AceDesSpades]

The Fed has inflation built in and they are very arrogant about it.

They fall prey to the idea that you have to have enough money to go around, so they deflate its value by simply making more of it so that while they create no wealth, they produce the illusion of riches.

So, yeah, inflation will continue, which is why he wants to fight the Fed Chair and replace him with sounder fiscal policy.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Biden didn't fail, but it's hard to succeed when you are strapped with the Republican controlled House that is intent on impeaching you as retribution for impeaching Trump twice. Biden's first two years were spent cleaning up the messes Trump left behind.

Biden failed miserably. He fucked up everything from start to finish. Ukraine. Afghanistan. The Middle East. Inflation. The US economy. You name it. His only successes were accidental, and largely because he didn't get around to fucking them up. And THEN he fucked up the succession, fucking over the Democrats by ensuring Harris got the nomination. Face it, Biden as President is the biggest failure in US history. He was NEVER a legitimate President, he was a puppet from Day One, and the Democrat Party and the Mass Media were complicit in all the lies.

Thank God the adults will soon be back in charge.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

There are so many other accomplishments Trump achieved in his first term which you have ignored. Rather than going through a full litany of them, and there are many, I’ll just highlight one of the most important ones. Pres Obama had negotiated a deal with Iran in a desperate attempt to forestall Iran from becoming a nuclear power. It is axiomatic, considering the bellicose regime of Iran’s mullahs, whose stated goal is to wipe out Israel off the map and advocate death to America, that it is not good for Iran to become a nuclear power. So, Obama got Iran to agree to halt their nuclear research and development for a period of ten years. In return Obama agreed to the release of the frozen assets of Iran and thus, pallets of cash valued in the amount of $1.7 billion consisting of Swiss francs, euros and other currencies were flown to Tehran. The kicker to this deal was that Iran would not allow international inspection by the UN to ascertain that Iran was in fact complying to their part of the agreement. Now that was a super deal; sarcasm intended!

When Trump became President, he rescinded this terrible Obama deal with Iran and instead applied sanctions on Iran. He was able to get European allies to also reciprocate and thus Iran was unable to sell their oil and became broke as a result. There’s no doubt that the worst four years for Iran in this century were the four years when Trump was in office. Since Biden, when he assumed office, immediately dropped Trump’s sanctions against Iran, it is safe to say that had Trump won the 2020 election then the Oct 7, 2023 massacre would not have occurred. Iran would not have had the funds to finance the Hamas attack. As indicated by the referenced podcast in my previous post, Trump, unlike Biden and or Harris, would be inclined to give carte blanche to Israel in wiping out Iran's military bases, oil fields and nuclear facilities, and thereby provide stability in the Middle East for more than ten Years. It is instructive to note that despite Trump's iron clad policy of full support for Israel as opposed to Harris' attempts to placate the Palistitaian cause Trump, still got 40% of the Arab vote in Michigan.

Incidentally, just out of curiosity, since you appear to be inflicted with TDS, do you literally believe the Harris campaign’s assertion echoed by their faithful lapdog accolades, the MSM, that Trump’s election will mean the end of Democracy as we know it and Trump will sic the military on anyone who did not vote for him? Those who actually believe such an outlandish suggestion to be possible are obviously ignorant of American history, the constitution and more particularly the Posse Comitatus Acts which generally prevents the president from using the military as a domestic police force.

I’m not clear on who wrote your prospectus on how to stabilize the Middle East. I suspect it was George Orwell.
War is Peace.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on why Iran feels the need to wipe Israel from the map.
‘Cause they’re stinky ole Jews?

Any idea where this $1.7B in frozen Iranian assets came from? Was it taken from Iran’s Treasury when the Shah fled for the US and was provided refuge?
Was that the origin of ‘Death to America’ sentiment? Was he forced to flee because of a US supported corrupt and oppressive regime? Some think so.

I’ve heard estimates that Iran could have a nuclear weapon in as little as 30 days. Do you honestly believe they will quit trying now?
My advice would be to engage in good faith negotiations with them. I’m no expert in foreign policy, but I think for sanctions to be effective, they should actually work. Whom do you suppose are really feeling the deprivations? Not the

Too late. Biden/Harris already sparked inflation off. Duh

Is that why interest rates were cut again this month? Or was it out of awe of the incoming Humpty Trumpty?

 

[DukeofPaducah]

Biden failed miserably. He fucked up everything from start to finish. Ukraine. Afghanistan. The Middle East. Inflation. The US economy. You name it. His only successes were accidental, and largely because he didn't get around to fucking them up. And THEN he fucked up the succession, fucking over the Democrats by ensuring Harris got the nomination. Face it, Biden as President is the biggest failure in US history. He was NEVER a legitimate President, he was a puppet from Day One, and the Democrat Party and the Mass Media were complicit in all the lies.

Thank God the adults will soon be back in charge.

I don’t know if anyone has brought this up before, but from what I can gather from your posts, you’ve got a mean streak.
I wouldn’t say Smokin’ Joe was the worst prez. Who was the dude who stroked out and his wife took over?
Woodrow Wilson?
You claim Biden messed up the exfil of Afghanistan. Big Daddy had 4 years to deal with it. What did he do besides free imprisoned Taliban fighters and invite their leaders for a barbecue at Camp David?

If the adults are back in charge, it’s a good thing the Menendez Bros. are about to be released from the
Graybar Arms.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Biden failed miserably. He fucked up everything from start to finish. Ukraine. Afghanistan. The Middle East. Inflation. The US economy. You name it. His only successes were accidental, and largely because he didn't get around to fucking them up. And THEN he fucked up the succession, fucking over the Democrats by ensuring Harris got the nomination. Face it, Biden as President is the biggest failure in US history. He was NEVER a legitimate President, he was a puppet from Day One, and the Democrat Party and the Mass Media were complicit in all the lies.

Thank God the adults will soon be back in charge.

He's not done fucking things up yet.

 

[AceDesSpades]

At least Hunter's off the hook. We can put that laptop to rest. Take the hammer to it.

 

[AceDesSpades]

"No, you don’t have to be gracious or magnanimous to Democrats right now. Wear your MAGA gear. Shout Trump 2024. We won; they lost. Show no mercy, for you shall receive none. There is no way the liberal mind would have been gracious to us if Kamala had won. They’re too self-righteous and arrogant. Those who are condescending aren’t known for this, and a video made by a retired professor demonstrates why you don’t need to be nice to liberals in the aftermath of this MAGA landslide. "
Matt Vespa, Townhall.com
Link at HotAir.com

 

[AceDesSpades]

"But it was more than that. It was a rejection of elite liberal and progressive condescension. Or to put it another way: Just because you wear a red MAGA hat doesn’t mean you’re a bigot — no matter how many left-wing pundits go on CNN and MSNBC and say you are, while some elite “journalist” sits there like a potted plant nodding in agreement."
Bernard Goldberg

Link: HotAir.com

Seems to be a theme. See if you can spot it here too...,

WeToo.NewOrg

 

[ChloeTzang]

I don’t know if anyone has brought this up before, but from what I can gather from your posts, you’ve got a mean streak.

LOL. Mean streak? I do, without the shadow of a doubt. It comes thru in my posts now and then? Oh dear. LOL

In person? Taekwondo, train at hapkido and do a lot of sparring and enjoy kicking the shit out of people. It's my safety valve. Much more satisfying than kicking dummies. That's how I met my husband too. LOL. Kicking the dust of him when he signed up for TKD. Fortunately, he's way bigger than me and he can take it.

 

[AceDesSpades]

TKD is for pansies. Just a sport.


*snicker*

 

[AceDesSpades]

Polling guru Nate Silver lashed out at other survey junkies in his field for “cheating” in the final stretch of the 2024 presidential election — accusing them of recycling some results to keep the race between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris close.

The FiveThirtyEight founder said irresponsible pollsters were “herding” their numbers, or using past results to affect current ones, to keep Vice President Harris and former President Trump within a point or two of each other each time.

“I kind of trust pollsters less,” Silver said on his podcast, name-checking Emerson College. “They all, every time a pollster [says] ‘Oh, every state is just plus-one, every single state’s a tie,’ no! You’re f–king herding! You’re cheating! You’re cheating!” he fumed.

“Your numbers aren’t all going to come out at exactly one-point leads when you’re sampling 800 people over dozens of surveys,” Silver vented.

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton...sidential-polls-has-2a-ramifications-n1226849

 

[AceDesSpades]

What have I consistently been saying about polls?

Judas Goating...