What will history say about Trump?

[Politruk]

Closing the border and deporting illegal immigrants will help Trump with his lower income constituency.

How? It won't do them any good.

 

[pussyhammer2021]

Let me just say this about that.
The Sioux Nation cares very much about it. They want the land back.
As long as you’re feeling all Manifest Destiny. remember those rules are still in effect.
If mightiest makes rightiest, be ready to be the fightiest. Hang on to it as long as you can.

A friend of mine is a doomsday prepper. He keeps a year’s worth of everything in storage.
His neighbor has a .44 mag and 1,000 rounds of ammo. He tells him as long as he has his Blackhawk,
he knows where he can find plenty of food.

A prepper with only 1000 rounds. I dont prep and i keep way more ammo than that.

Your argument about the sioux nation is irrelevant to me. 1) nobody really owns any land....your argument is like saying mexico wants texas back. Want in 1 hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up 1st. Land has changed hands numerous times throughout history from wars so who had land at one point is irrelevant. 2) it doesnt matter to me. That is federal land...not mine. I dont have any say. None of this changes whats already there tho

 

[JohnEngelman]

How? It won't do them any good.

Working class whites who support Trump usually do not like immigrants, unless they are white.

 

[UltraChad]

No, the U.S. is a nation-state like France, not an idea-state like the USSR.

You could not be more backwards and incorrect about that.

I bet you believe people with XY chromosomes and a dick can be women too don't ya??

 

[Politruk]

You could not be more backwards and incorrect about that.

I bet you believe people with XY chromosomes and a dick can be women too don't ya??

See here.

 

[UltraChad]

Working class whites who support Trump usually do not like immigrants, unless they are white.

Democrats pushed this lie so hard it literally cost them the election.

And they didn't learn from it.....here is hoping they keep the "fuck white people" and "fuck males" hate train going.

 

[UltraChad]

See here.

Oh so you actually are totally retarded. LOL explains everything.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I am surprised that a man as ignorant and unpresidential has achieved the significance Trump has. History will evaluate Trump on the basis of the long term effects of his presidency. Abraham Lincoln was hated enough that his election provoked the Civil War. Nevertheless, today he is regarded as one of our greatest presidents.

If Trump is able to end the wars in Ukraine and Gaza in ways that are beneficial to Ukraine he will be well regarded.

I think it is more likely that his economic policies will harm the economic interests of the lower two thirds of the U.S. population. If that happens, history will not judge him well.

 

[TheVegasMark]

I am surprised that a man as ignorant and unpresidential has achieved the significance Trump has. History will evaluate Trump on the basis of the long term effects of his presidency. Abraham Lincoln was hated enough that his election provoked the Civil War. Nevertheless, today he is regarded as one of our greatest presidents.

If Trump is able to end the wars in Ukraine and Gaza in ways that are beneficial to Ukraine he will be well regarded.

I think it is more likely that his economic policies will harm the economic interests of the lower two thirds of the U.S. population. If that happens, history will not judge him well.

The lower / middle class have already had their worlds rocked by prices 20% higher than just three yrs ago for consumer goods...Cars 32% higher...Housing 90% higher...So who are we currently judging after a Electoral College landslide and a popular vote count of maybe a 4m difference...?

 

[Lazaran]

The lower / middle class have already had their worlds rocked by prices 20% higher than just three yrs ago for consumer goods...Cars 32% higher...Housing 90% higher...So who are we currently judging after a Electoral College landslide and a popular vote count of maybe a 4m difference...?

Another dumbfuck who"thinks" DonOld and MAGAt "republicans" bear no responsibility for anything.



dumbfuck

 

[Lazaran]

How do you lower corporate tax without increasing the cost of goods and services that corporations produce? If they are taxed more they are forced to raise prices. But the governments need for other peoples money will go way down when government waste and abuse is called to account.

Um, corporations gouged consumers when they were basically taxed nothing, were subsidized, and were bailed out / floated during various financial crises and Covid.

 

[Lazaran]

Close the border....Flood the American Economy with Domestic Energy Supplies / Transportation Fuels....Cut Taxes....Roll back the Regulatory environment.....If it was good enough for the John F Kennedy administration....Should be OK for the Trump Administration....Dumb F###....!!!

Another dumbfuck that "thinks" things haven’t changed over the past 60 YEARS, and that nothing was learned from the mistakes over those 60 YEARS. (Well, dumbfuck obviously didn’t learn anything.)



dumbfuck

 

[TheVegasMark]

Another dumbfuck who"thinks" DonOld and MAGAt "republicans" bear no responsibility for anything.



dumbfuck

"NIMWITT"...Who has been in charge for the last 3.5 years...Oh..Yes...January 21'...Inflation 1.4%...Mortgage rates 3%...FED Funds rate .00%...

 

[Lazaran]

"NIMWITT"...Who has been in charge for the last 3.5 years...Oh..Yes...January 21'...Inflation 1.4%...Mortgage rates 3%...FED Funds rate .00%...

Another dumbfuck that doesn’t understand how anything works.



Newsflash:

Due to DonOld’s bungling of pandemic preparedness and the response, the Covid crisis was faaaaar harsher than it needed to be, which resulted in longer supply chain disruptions, pent up demand, and an environment that was ripe for corporate greedflation when President Biden successfully executed the Covid vaccine rollout and the nation opened back up for business.

There was ALWAYS going to be inflation after Covid, but corporate greedflation (aided by DonOld’s deregulation), Putin’s (DonOld’s role model) war and an insurrection that involved nationwide trucking disruptions, etc, made things exponentially worse than they needed to be.



President Biden did some amazing things for the country and its people over the last 3.5 years, and people are going to realize it when DonOld inevitably REALLY fucks things up…again.

Enjoy.



dumbfuck

 

[DukeofPaducah]

"NIMWITT"...Who has been in charge for the last 3.5 years...Oh..Yes...January 21'...Inflation 1.4%...Mortgage rates 3%...FED Funds rate .00%...

When, as if Manna from the Lord above, almost $5T appeared as a ‘stimulus’. My 26 yr old son put a down payment on a $45k truck. Chickie feed by today’s prices. Play today…pay whenever?
But it’s all Biden/Harris’ doing. Just like the Fed cutting interest rates now will be Trump’s miracle.
Le’s see what he does with the National Debt.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

History will say that the former president with one of the lowest approval ratings ever, who was best friends with the highest profile pedophile, who was found liable for rape and admitted to forcing himself on women, was impeached twice, who has 34 felony convictions, who paid hush money to a porn star was re-elected because america has the attention span of a goldfish.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

It really depends on who becomes and writes the histories.

In our present educational-governmental complex, the story is already being written imprinted and it is not positive.

On the other hand, they also tried to do that to Reagan, but his reputation continues to grow as the years go by. I know, back then, as a union guy, I followed my peer group (bubble) and I real

If Trump tries to balance the budget without significantly raising taxes on the rich and corporations, that will harm the working class and lower middle class people who voted for him.

Isn’t the point of having a working class so that the tax burdens of the wealthy may be shifted onto their shoulders?

Taxes are too mundane for the wealthy. Taxes are beneath the dignity of the wealthy.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

Isn’t the point of having a working class so that the tax burdens of the wealthy may be shifted onto their shoulders?

Taxes are too mundane for the wealthy. Taxes are beneath the dignity of the wealthy.

A prepper with only 1000 rounds. I dont prep and i keep way more ammo than that.

Your argument about the sioux nation is irrelevant to me. 1) nobody really owns any land....your argument is like saying mexico wants texas back. Want in 1 hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up 1st. Land has changed hands numerous times throughout history from wars so who had land at one point is irrelevant. 2) it doesnt matter to me. That is federal land...not mine. I dont have any say. None of this changes whats already there tho

The hombre with 1000 is no prepper. He’s just going to his house for dinner.

The original occupants of the Black Hills have been there since shortly after the last ice age.
I think they have prior claim. If not, it’s catch as catch can.
Jonny come lately is welcome to the badlands. That’s where Sue the T-Rex was uncovered.
Go get ‘em Rufus.

 

[Politruk]

The original occupants of the Black Hills have been there since shortly after the last ice age.
I think they have prior claim.

Not really.

American Indian tribes have a long history in the Black Hills and consider it a sacred site.[9] After conquering the Cheyenne in 1776, the Lakota took the territory of the Black Hills, which became central to their culture.

They're latecomers.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

It really depends on who becomes and writes the histories.

In our present educational-governmental complex, the story is already being written imprinted and it is not positive.

On the other hand, they also tried to do that to Reagan, but his reputation continues to grow as the years go by. I know, back then, as a union guy, I followed my peer group (bubble) and I really hated him...

I remember Reagan as being no Saint.
They were hard years for me. I had a new daughter and the company I worked for shed its contractual obligations with labor. The Labor Relations Board said, ‘Tough Titty.” I had to scratch to feed my kids.

Nancy said , ‘Just Say No.’
Ronny said, ‘As soon as the Contras get new M-16s.
He stalled hostage negotiations with Iran, so Jimmy Carter wouldn’t get credit for their release.
What’s a few more months, eh? They were comfortable, living on beans and kool-aid.
He was an asshole in my book.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

They were proud that they stopped the wall and then indicted: He didn't finish it...,

he's having it and eating it

Big Time!

Not really.

They're latecomers.

My error. It’s the Navajo I’m thinking of.

 

[Bodington]

First let me cite the example of President Warren Harding. When Harding died in office in 1923 by all newspaper accounts of the day, his death was genuinely mourned by the whole nation and also by various foreign leaders. He was adjudged one of the most popular sitting Presidents while in office. After his death, though, a number of scandals were exposed, including Teapot Dome, as well as an extramarital affair which tarnished his reputation. As a result, the consensus amongst historians ranks him as one of the worst Presidents.

Now in the case of Trump, I believe the opinion of his Presidency will be reversed. I suggest 100 years from now, when all of us living today with the exception of a few infants will have passed away, future historians will have a tough time understanding the animus that Trump was faced with. Instead, they will be focused on the totality of his time in office and pay scant attention to his personality. Only the virulent prejudiced Trump hater would deny that Trump’s first term was vastly superior to the Biden-Harrison term. And if his second term would be just as successful, then he will easily be ranked as one of the great Presidents.

The following referenced podcast, features John Anderson, a former deputy Prime Minister of Australia, interviewing Victor Davis Hanson, an American classicist, military historian, and conservative political commentator as well as a professor emeritus of classics at California State University, Fresno. In it, Hanson outlines the nature of success of Trump’s first tern and provides persuasive argument of how Trump may succeed in resolving the current foreign conflicts of Russia-Ukraine war and the Middle East crisis. Hanson also suggests how Trump will tackle the domestic economic woes including the ever oppressive national debt. If you take the trouble to review it, I daresay your negative opinion of Trump would be tempered.

https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...DA043D8159551046AA58DA043D815955104&FORM=VIRE

 

[Politruk]

Only the virulent prejudiced Trump hater would deny that Trump’s first term was vastly superior to the Biden-Harrison term. And if his second term would be just as successful, then he will easily be ranked as one of the great Presidents.

In Trump's first term, only three things of any importance at all got done:

1. Appointment of RW federal judges. Federalist Society types.

2. A massive tax cut for the rich.

3. Creation of a military Space Force.

And that's all. End of list. The Wall wasn't built, nothing was done for crumbling infrastructure, etc.

1. was regrettable by any reasonable measure. The nation will be dealing with the damage for decades.

We REALLY didn't need the tax cut. That took the country in exactly the wrong direction.

I like the Space Force on Rule of Cool grounds, but we didn't really NEED it -- we already had a unified Space Command, under the Air Force. It's only a reorganization -- the Space Force has no new hardware that didn't exist before.

Every judge Trump appointed is damage it will take decades to repair. His handling of COVID cost hundreds of thousands of lives that a better administration could easily have saved. His very presence in the WH emboldened white nationalists and led to a spike in hate crimes. And his massive tax cut on the rich, with no commensurate spending cuts, put us that much deeper in debt, all needlessly.

And then there's more . . . intangible damage Trump did. To norms and standards.

In times past, a pol who lost an election could usually be counted on to concede gracefully, or at most demand a recount in a lawful and decorous process. Nothing else was even conceivable. The Republicans began to chip away at that element of our civilization in 2000, but Trump utterly trashed it -- not just in 2020, but in 2016 when he would not even commit to concede if he lost.

Before Trump, no pol caught in so many brazen and easily fact-checked lies on a daily basis would have a chance of getting anywhere. Trump acted like that just didn't matter, and the Republicans bought it -- so now it doesn't matter, any more.

Just compare the cautious and defensive way Nixon (a lawyer) always lied to Trump's way. This represents a definite decline in standards of acceptable conduct.

 

[TallMan69]

But he was NOT a good president.

Nixon had a sincere commitment to public service. But he never even in theory accepted the principle that a pol is obliged to tell the people the truth -- his attitude was always, those in the know would make the decisions, and, "The public will be told what the public needs to be told."

A good source here is Nixonland, by Rick Perlstein.

Nixon had his ‘plumbers.’ Trump has his ‘fixers.’ It’s interesting the inner circle of ‘contractors’ to mend and tidy up the messy behind the scenes stuff.

Also interesting the connection with Bob Woodward and Roger Stone between the two as well as tapes.

Most definitely some interesting parallels. Even though Nixon was much more a career politician they have very strange connections especially considering the span of 4 decades in between their terms.

Can see the comparisons with Reagan being pretty apt as well. Both have strong entertainer backgrounds and know how to work the camera to their advantage. But Reagan moved people with inspiration and optimism while Trump stokes fear.

Reagan controlled the optics much better than Nixon. A lot of people liked Reagan even when they disagreed with him.

 

[pussyhammer2021]

The hombre with 1000 is no prepper. He’s just going to his house for dinner.

The original occupants of the Black Hills have been there since shortly after the last ice age.
I think they have prior claim. If not, it’s catch as catch can.
Jonny come lately is welcome to the badlands. That’s where Sue the T-Rex was uncovered.
Go get ‘em Rufus.

Oh really? Wow, thats amazing to hear, from you, that " the original occupants of the Black Hills have been there since shortly after the last ice age....which was before records were kept. How long ago are u thinkin the last ice age was? Are you trying to sell me on a fact based on a theory? Now im not saying this claim is wrong...but u cant claim that part is right bc that is someones interpretation of the evidence they found. Take it with a grain of salt. When u can prove something, u prove it with factual evidence, not interpretation. Interpretations just lead to theories.