AngelicAssassin
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Nah ...rosco rathbone said:
Baby fat
Why is obesity so prevalent amongst BDSM practitioners?
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Etoile said:Old has nothing to do with it! My girlfriend will be 36 in September, and Daddy will be 44 in December.
Now dog, on the other hand...
woof.
edited to add: the tattoo is delicious.
(I'd make a bow-resin comment, but I suspect I wouldn't be the first)
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I'de just like to eat a fat-burger in peace...
I'de rather be trying to lose weight then trying to gain it.. yeah.. nope nope nope... Can't agree that obesity 'n BDSM are linked.. 'cause mostly I think about sex.. 'n every chance I get I find someone to have it with.. So it can't be linked to sexual activity vs. "physical activity".. Nope just can't see how it's not physical activity ... and Am I one of few people who actually sweat during sex? or a scene? .. Genetics?.. naw can't but that my brother was overweight most of our lives and I was anorexic ... Though the whole BDSM and psychological issues...
ah crap.. brain fart...
if I remeber I'll come back 'n spew more words forth.
I'de rather be trying to lose weight then trying to gain it.. yeah.. nope nope nope... Can't agree that obesity 'n BDSM are linked.. 'cause mostly I think about sex.. 'n every chance I get I find someone to have it with.. So it can't be linked to sexual activity vs. "physical activity".. Nope just can't see how it's not physical activity ... and Am I one of few people who actually sweat during sex? or a scene? .. Genetics?.. naw can't but that my brother was overweight most of our lives and I was anorexic ... Though the whole BDSM and psychological issues...
ah crap.. brain fart...
if I remeber I'll come back 'n spew more words forth.
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Lancecastor said:
To continue back to the conversation... ignoring the young confused but loud pup in the room... certainly people join clubs for many reasons. But there are lots of people and ideas being lumped together here. For instance, the people who show up at munches may well be a different crowd from those who are into bdsm but wouldn't think of going public with it. My sense is that bdsm, like for instance, being gay, is such a marginalized group, that in many places the only people willing to be publicly associated with it are those who already have a somewhat marginalized existence, where 'coming out' wouldn't affect their lives. These folks may well be more eccentric than the average person, and than the average bdsmer.
The average gay person or lesbian, is going to look more 'average' than the folks that show up for a parade, for instance.
To carry the gay analogy further, do you think that being gay is about having low self-esteem? I don't. Though trying to be gay in current society could make it harder to have high self-esteem. And another question -- from what I've seen, gay men, on average, seem to be leaner than straight, while gay women seem to be be stouter, on average. Now this could be a misperception on my part, but if it is true, why would the only the women have the weight, and presumably the self-esteem problems? Why do you assume At All, that low self-esteem causes weight problems, rather than the other way around?
Something like kiwanis, on the other hand, is generally more about conforming, about being an 'insider.' (At least in my town.) Rotarians have both the public 'insider' thing going, as well as a way to do good in an organized way, from my understanding. Both joining, and not joining, could be because of low self-esteem. It depends on your reasons for either.
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Phoenix Stone said:
Hate to do it, but since no one responded, I'll requote myself.
1. If, and that's a big if, bdsmers are overweight, that would just make them average, at least in America. (Are people generally getting fatter in Australia and Canada, and does there seem to be a weight differential there?)
2. Do you see any connection between this heavy group -- Americans -- and low self-esteem? I sure don't.
3. Have you, Lance, considered that the people who show up to be bdsmers, Publicly, may be a different group than bdsmers at-large, who practice at home?
4. I find it interesting that Shadowsdream, whom I think is Scandinavian, hasn't noticed any weight difference. IF bdsmers are fatter 'here' (wherever here is for you), and IF there is a weight/self-esteem connection, could it have something to do with the lack of acceptance in your/my country?
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Humans in general ( A generalization .. I hate makeing these) are inclined to fear what they don't understand.. and that fear leads to logical ( though ofte-times shallow) "excuses" to make things acceptable in society. Which is why we all enjoy pointing fingers at everyone and everything.. trying to come to some understanding of the BDSM community as a whole. we as human beings can not accept things at face value.. we have to pick it apart to understand that which we know not, or have blind hate towards it.
bdsm = obesity ? maybe for some it has become apart of bdsm as how some people become the weilder of the crop or the reciever of the sting? perhaps?
bdsm = obesity ? maybe for some it has become apart of bdsm as how some people become the weilder of the crop or the reciever of the sting? perhaps?
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I happen to live in one of the "fattest cities" in North America. Really, it was in all the headlines. In answer to your pondering, I must say that this type of lifestyle attracts the type of person who is comfortable and in touch with him or herself enough to feel that dieting is not needed. If I were a Dom or a Sub, I wouldn't want to spend my time watching carb consumption! This is just a thought I had and probably sounds pretty silly to some.
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Nah, I think it makes great sense!Honeysucklevine said:I happen to live in one of the "fattest cities" in North America. Really, it was in all the headlines. In answer to your pondering, I must say that this type of lifestyle attracts the type of person who is comfortable and in touch with him or herself enough to feel that dieting is not needed. If I were a Dom or a Sub, I wouldn't want to spend my time watching carb consumption! This is just a thought I had and probably sounds pretty silly to some.
Are you in Texas? I'm just guessing.
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Americans...Break out your wallets and say good-bye to your BigMacs...
Obesity is now an illness and can be covered by Medicare, the federal health-insurance program for the elderly and disabled. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson announced yesterday the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services would remove language in Medicare's coverage manual that states obesity is not an illness.
The move stops short of classifying obesity as a disease and the change means Medicare participants may ask for reimbursement for treating excessive weight. Washington taxpayer advocacy group Citizens Against Government Waste called the decision "groundbreaking" in its implications.
“We can expect Medicare costs to be even more obese and out of control than they already are while the taxpayer is footing the bill,” says Elizabeth Wright, health and science division director.
Obesity-related illnesses already are expanding the nation's health care expenses and costing businesses an estimated $17 billion, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
Medicare for 41.3 million beneficiaries cost $274 billion last year, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
With 64 percent of the American population overweight or obese, a substantial percentage of Medicare participants probably would qualify, spelling trouble for the program, says Wright.
If states required additional obesity coverage that pushes up overall rates, small businesses probably would see the largest rate increases and many could drop health plans altogether, says Helen Darling, president of the National Business Group on Health.
Trial lawyers also may use the policy change as another weapon in their arsenal against the food and restaurant industries, Wright added. Several lawyers have filed lawsuits against the industries trying to blame them for America's weight problem.
Source: Marguerite Higgins, “Obesity deemed an illness,” Washington Times, July 16, 2004.
http://www.ncpa.org/newdpd/dpdarticle.php?article_id=327
CCF To The Washington Post: Obesity Is Not A Disease
Posted On July 16, 2004
The Washington Post featured the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) in this morning's lead story, which reported on a Medicare policy shift that leans toward classifying obesity as a disease. "This is truly a dumbing down of the term 'disease'," said CCF's Executive Director. "This is the only disease that I'm familiar with that you can solve by regularly taking long walks and keeping your mouth shut."
We've told you before how a powerful group of special interests is conspiring to make obesity a disease. Pharmaceutical companies are funding research that systematically inflates fears about the so-called obesity "epidemic," so they can cash in by selling weight-loss drugs. The bottom line, as we told the Post: "It's terrible to start using taxpayer money like this when there are other legitimate diseases that need to be addressed."
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=2598
Obesity is now an illness and can be covered by Medicare, the federal health-insurance program for the elderly and disabled. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson announced yesterday the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services would remove language in Medicare's coverage manual that states obesity is not an illness.
The move stops short of classifying obesity as a disease and the change means Medicare participants may ask for reimbursement for treating excessive weight. Washington taxpayer advocacy group Citizens Against Government Waste called the decision "groundbreaking" in its implications.
“We can expect Medicare costs to be even more obese and out of control than they already are while the taxpayer is footing the bill,” says Elizabeth Wright, health and science division director.
Obesity-related illnesses already are expanding the nation's health care expenses and costing businesses an estimated $17 billion, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
Medicare for 41.3 million beneficiaries cost $274 billion last year, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
With 64 percent of the American population overweight or obese, a substantial percentage of Medicare participants probably would qualify, spelling trouble for the program, says Wright.
If states required additional obesity coverage that pushes up overall rates, small businesses probably would see the largest rate increases and many could drop health plans altogether, says Helen Darling, president of the National Business Group on Health.
Trial lawyers also may use the policy change as another weapon in their arsenal against the food and restaurant industries, Wright added. Several lawyers have filed lawsuits against the industries trying to blame them for America's weight problem.
Source: Marguerite Higgins, “Obesity deemed an illness,” Washington Times, July 16, 2004.
http://www.ncpa.org/newdpd/dpdarticle.php?article_id=327
CCF To The Washington Post: Obesity Is Not A Disease
Posted On July 16, 2004
The Washington Post featured the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) in this morning's lead story, which reported on a Medicare policy shift that leans toward classifying obesity as a disease. "This is truly a dumbing down of the term 'disease'," said CCF's Executive Director. "This is the only disease that I'm familiar with that you can solve by regularly taking long walks and keeping your mouth shut."
We've told you before how a powerful group of special interests is conspiring to make obesity a disease. Pharmaceutical companies are funding research that systematically inflates fears about the so-called obesity "epidemic," so they can cash in by selling weight-loss drugs. The bottom line, as we told the Post: "It's terrible to start using taxpayer money like this when there are other legitimate diseases that need to be addressed."
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=2598
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A Desert Rose said:
My apologies to all that may take offense with the following provisioes ...
If you're comfortable with your body appearance, flush the words overweight, obese, ad nasueum down the toilet.
If you want to change your body appearance and make a true effort to do so, you can talk about fighting the bulge all you wish.
If, however, you fall into the overweight/obese categories and you
- can't shut your mouth and take a walk
- repetitively whine about your condition
- or expect my tax dollars to support your lazy fat ass
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One of the most disturbing parts of all this is that not only will the trial lawyers be making a fortune (check on Senator John Edwards law career) but that the drug companies are also a driving force behind this "epidemic" thinking.
For instance, what entity do you suppose is the largest contributor to CHADD? Cieba-Geigy... the makers of Ritalin.
What once was a charming personality trait - shyness - now is a "treatable disorder called social anxiety syndrome." Another way for drug companies to make money.
And let's not even start me on the antibacterial soap campaign!!!!
For instance, what entity do you suppose is the largest contributor to CHADD? Cieba-Geigy... the makers of Ritalin.
What once was a charming personality trait - shyness - now is a "treatable disorder called social anxiety syndrome." Another way for drug companies to make money.
And let's not even start me on the antibacterial soap campaign!!!!
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Exactly
and how ironic the people getting "fat" off of fat fall into the pimples on the ass of the human race categories
and how ironic the people getting "fat" off of fat fall into the pimples on the ass of the human race categories
- "lower than whale shit for hire"
- and "pop this pill to make it alright"
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For those of you in love with numbers...
Government Warning: Tinseltown Hunks Are Actually Hollywood Chunks
Posted On July 16, 2004
Today, the Center for Consumer Freedom asks, "I, Robot" or "I, Rotund"? Actor Will Smith (6'2", 210 lbs.) is movie-star fit, but the federal government's flawed Body Mass Index (BMI) standard says he's "overweight." The government has defined "overweight" to mean a BMI between 25 and 29; "obese" is 30 or higher. Smith's BMI of 27 makes him only one of many summer blockbuster stars to be mislabeled. "Bourne Supremely Overweight" will star Matt Damon (5'11", 187 lbs., BMI 26); Denzel Washington (6'0", 199 lbs., BMI 27) will portray "The Munchurian Candidate." Meanwhile, the supposedly fat Hugh Jackman (6'2", 210 lbs., BMI 27) fights vampires in "Van Hefty." Even our super-fit president ("Fat-And-Height 9/11") is considered "overweight" by government standards because he has a BMI of 26.
If that's not enough to make you drop your popcorn, check out these weight-appropriate twists on classic titles, featuring even fatter movie stars:
"Chunky" 1 through 5, starring Sylvester Stallone (5'9", 228 lbs., BMI 34)
"Conan the Obese," staring Arnold Schwarzenegger (6'2", 257 lbs., BMI 33)
"Diet Hard," starring Bruce Willis (6'0", 200 lbs., BMI 29)
"The Sandwich King," staring the Rock (6'5", 275 lbs., BMI 33)
"Thighs of Thunder," starring Tom Cruise (5'7", 201 lbs., BMI 31)
Many celebrities, athletes and average Americans find themselves in the crosshairs of trial lawyers (led by John "Sue the Bastards" Banzhaf), the self-described "food police" at the immodestly named Center for Science in the Public Interest, and government bureaucrats who want "fat taxes" to make food more expensive. Click here to find out if the government thinks you're a celluloid star or a cellulose sucker.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=2599
Government Warning: Tinseltown Hunks Are Actually Hollywood Chunks
Posted On July 16, 2004
Today, the Center for Consumer Freedom asks, "I, Robot" or "I, Rotund"? Actor Will Smith (6'2", 210 lbs.) is movie-star fit, but the federal government's flawed Body Mass Index (BMI) standard says he's "overweight." The government has defined "overweight" to mean a BMI between 25 and 29; "obese" is 30 or higher. Smith's BMI of 27 makes him only one of many summer blockbuster stars to be mislabeled. "Bourne Supremely Overweight" will star Matt Damon (5'11", 187 lbs., BMI 26); Denzel Washington (6'0", 199 lbs., BMI 27) will portray "The Munchurian Candidate." Meanwhile, the supposedly fat Hugh Jackman (6'2", 210 lbs., BMI 27) fights vampires in "Van Hefty." Even our super-fit president ("Fat-And-Height 9/11") is considered "overweight" by government standards because he has a BMI of 26.
If that's not enough to make you drop your popcorn, check out these weight-appropriate twists on classic titles, featuring even fatter movie stars:
"Chunky" 1 through 5, starring Sylvester Stallone (5'9", 228 lbs., BMI 34)
"Conan the Obese," staring Arnold Schwarzenegger (6'2", 257 lbs., BMI 33)
"Diet Hard," starring Bruce Willis (6'0", 200 lbs., BMI 29)
"The Sandwich King," staring the Rock (6'5", 275 lbs., BMI 33)
"Thighs of Thunder," starring Tom Cruise (5'7", 201 lbs., BMI 31)
Many celebrities, athletes and average Americans find themselves in the crosshairs of trial lawyers (led by John "Sue the Bastards" Banzhaf), the self-described "food police" at the immodestly named Center for Science in the Public Interest, and government bureaucrats who want "fat taxes" to make food more expensive. Click here to find out if the government thinks you're a celluloid star or a cellulose sucker.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=2599
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Re: For those of you in love with numbers...
Etoile, no offense, but a BMI of 19.6 only put me on the low end of the normal scale and i couldn't float on my back in a pool without moving both arms and legs. The second i'd stop, straight to the bottom. i'll take my present high side 24.4 and be a shark bait seal lazing in the waves any day.
Don't even get me started on tape test requirements in the military for troops that maxed PT tests at the +150% mark across the board because of the BMI charts.A Desert Rose said:
Etoile, no offense, but a BMI of 19.6 only put me on the low end of the normal scale and i couldn't float on my back in a pool without moving both arms and legs. The second i'd stop, straight to the bottom. i'll take my present high side 24.4 and be a shark bait seal lazing in the waves any day.
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A Desert Rose said:
In the context of BDSM I am shy, if I move to the US can I get some of AA's tax dollars as he doesn't want them to go to support anyone with 'lazy fat ass(es)'
I could then attend various BDSM groups/munches/classes in order to overcome my social anxiety syndrome.
Of course if I get over excited with it all, there is always Ritalin
Its a mad, mad world.
