Why is obesity so prevalent amongst BDSM practitioners?

[CutieMouse]

Great, so now you all are saying those of us who like our women a little more rounded are enabling them and making them sick and killing them? Fine, have fun with your stick figures.

*Sigh* I never said people who prefer women with curves are enabeling them, making them sick, or killing them.

In the conversations regarding my weight as mentioned above, I argued that it was *wise* for me to not be razor thin, as it was as unhealthy for me to drop below a certain weight, as it was for me to be 40# above what the medical charts said was the "norm" for my height and bone structure.

Most medical weight charts give people a range of about 20# which is considered "average". If you fall below that weight range your health can be compromised; if you are above that weight range your health can be compromised. Yes there are overwieght people who are healthy, just as there are underweight people who are healthy; however, falling outside of certain parameters puts a strain on your body.

We accept that smoking is harmful, drinking heavily is harmful, illegal drugs are harmful... why is it so easy to accept that messing with those substances will haev an impact on our overall health, but it's so difficult to accept the same with regards to food/weight?

 

[Etoile]

Mmm, hot stick sex.

What is the guy on the left doing with his hand to the guy on the right?

 

[JMohegan]

Thats total bullshit. They dont have means to over eat. Has no bearing on this discussion at all.

I disagree.

Marquis put forth this hypothesis:

Your weight is something you have control over. You burn more calories or you eat less calories or both, and you will lose weight.

Your response was to call him a tool, and others have attempted to offer mitigating theories, explanations, etc.

In pointing to areas of famine, Marquis proves his assertion irrefutably. No matter what thyroid problems, mental health challenges, issues with comfort food, etc., these people have, *everybody* in the entire population loses weight when they eat less calories.

Obviously, weight issues are complex for a great many people, and healthy weight levels vary signficantly from person to person. The challenges and decisions faced by some are extraordinary.

But if there's a competent medical authority in 2006 who would say to an obese man or woman of any age, "There's nothing you can or should be doing to reduce your weight," I'd frankly like to know who that so-called authority might be.

So lets just lock everyone up who is overweight and dont feed them. Yea, that will work

Actually, this is close to the recommendation for dealing with Prader-Willis syndrome:

"Weight management is a major task of parents of kids with PWS. These kids need a balanced, low calorie diet with vitamin and calcium supplements, along with plenty of exercise. You will probably need to restrict access to food by locking your cabinets and refrigerator. No medication or surgical intervention has been found to eliminate the need for strict dieting."

Found: here.

 

[JMohegan]

Great, so now you all are saying those of us who like our women a little more rounded are enabling them and making them sick and killing them? Fine, have fun with your stick figures.

C'mon, man. You're just looking for trouble here.

 

[JMohegan]

(even if he did attribute my comments about PWS to Chicklet!)

My apologies! I actually *was* referring to Chicklet's post 381 (in which she talked about mental health issues such as anorexia, binge eating & depression, etc.).

But I should have ackowledged your point about PWS too.

 

[JMohegan]

We accept that smoking is harmful, drinking heavily is harmful, illegal drugs are harmful... why is it so easy to accept that messing with those substances will haev an impact on our overall health, but it's so difficult to accept the same with regards to food/weight?

Great question.

What we're seeing more and more of in my profession is 40-60 year olds in long term care. Many of these people are there because of a life of bad physical choices/habits/addictions, i.e. drug abuse, alcoholism and alcohol abuse, obesity, etc. And those bad habits/addictions are the catalyst for liver failure/disease, renal insufficiency, degenerative joint disease, chronic arthritis, cardio/pulmonary disorders and on and on it goes.

The entire face of long term care is changing. It's been a major wake-up call for me and my fellow nurses.

If you have any control over your weight, it's best for you to attack that problem early on rather than wait until you reach 45 and have serious health issues to face. It means major lifestyle changes that most people don't really want to tackle.

Call me shallow or predjudiced but I believe that good health and living a loooong life should be a priority (it sure is for me and I'm sure for several others who post here.)

I want to get all the kinky stuff I can into the life I have left. ;-)

Great post.

 

[Marquis]

Mmm, hot stick sex.

 

[LadyAria]

What is the guy on the left doing with his hand to the guy on the right?

Shoulder support?

I think the lady stick had a boob job.

 

[Marquis]

But if there's a competent medical authority in 2006 who would say to an obese man or woman of any age, "There's nothing you can or should be doing to reduce your weight," I'd frankly like to know who that so-called authority might be.

Hear hear!

 

[Marquis]

There seems to be heavy emphasis here on "if you don't eat, you won't get fat."

The problem with this is that you die of starvation.

Or is that not what you meant?

Etoile, you were already reaching with the PWS comment, now I feel like you are purposefully obfuscating the issue.

I am, of course, not advocating starvation as a method of weight control.

Did I really need to say that?

 

[NemoAlia]

Lately, I've learned something about myself:

If I'm running low on money, like very low, I way overeat. Fortunately, if I'm low on money, I'm probably low on junk food, so I'm overeating rice and peanut butter... but I digress. If I'm any indication of human tendencies as a whole, people who feel the daily risk of famine in their lives (famine = general poverty) may overeat in constant, subconscious anticipation of tomorrow, when there will be nothing to eat.

I think the overall thinness of wealthy people these days helps to support my theory.

Maybe if there were some sort of federal assistance to kinky people, and we didn't ever have to worry about money, we'd all be a little lighter?

 

[Quint]

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[FurryFury]

Actually I agree that there is a strong prejudice against both thin and overweight people. This is unfortunately one of the sorts of stereotyping that is acceptable to many. Through that acceptance, hate in the form of jokes, disregard and more are often seen as okay. Who does this sort of thing leave untouched in our society? How much worse would it be for people and society if body weight were not so easily used that way by so many?

Fury

 

[Etoile]

Etoile, you were already reaching with the PWS comment, now I feel like you are purposefully obfuscating the issue.

I am, of course, not advocating starvation as a method of weight control.

Did I really need to say that?

Call it clarification, call it obfuscation...it is both. I admit that. There seem to be a lot of heated feelings in this thread, and I am just being bizarre. It's probably because I have nothing actually useful to contribute to this discussion, but I want to look like I'm participating, so I say random stuff about PWS and starvation.

I'm gonna go to bed though, g'night.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Great, so now you all are saying those of us who like our women a little more rounded are enabling them and making them sick and killing them? Fine, have fun with your stick figures.

I don't think anyone has said anything remotely like that. I know I've not. Everyone has a different image of the ideal lover. I believe that (from previous postings) Rosco and Lance both like little petite waif-like women. I know that Rosco like girls with pixie cuts and Lance likes a pony tail to hold onto. ;-)

I was 35 pounds overweight. I put a lot of that weight on over the summer when I made almost daily trips to Dairy Queen for marshmellow sundaes. Marshmellow sundaes with the works... whipped cream, nuts and a cherry. That's my comfort food and for a couple of months this summer, I needed lots of comforting.

As of today, I am 22 pounds over my ideal weight. That doesn't sound like a lot to some people, but for someone who is 61 inches tall, it means the difference in 2 dress sizes. And even when I'm at my ideal (in my mind) weight, and in a size 8, I'm still Rubenesque (how do you spell that word? I've looked it up 3 times and can't find it.) I've got big tits and a round ass. I like being like this. I'm not trying to fit the mental image of some Dom or anyone else for that matter.

There was a time when I wanted to look like someone else. I laid my hair out on the ironing board and ironed it to make it straight like all the other girls. (I never did dye my hair though and never have.) I used juice cans to roll it and try to make it straight. There was a time when I wished I had long legs. But I'm not going to, not ever. I still think I'm attractive to some and especially to me.

What is attractive is a person who is comfortable in the skin they're in. At this point in my life, even with the extra 20 pounds that I'm trying to shed, I'm very comfortable in this skin. And I'm happy that some men find short women with big tits and short, dark, curly hair attractive. This is what and who I am. Except for the pounds, I can't - nor do I want - to change any of it.



On the other hand, the image of my ideal Dom-guy is a young Paul Newman. I want all my men to look like him.

It's a requirement.

 

[SirFace]

What you did say, is your Dom "forced "you too lose weight. So now you are healthier because of it. Did I read that wrong?

*Sigh* I never said people who prefer women with curves are enabeling them, making them sick, or killing them.

In the conversations regarding my weight as mentioned above, I argued that it was *wise* for me to not be razor thin, as it was as unhealthy for me to drop below a certain weight, as it was for me to be 40# above what the medical charts said was the "norm" for my height and bone structure.

Most medical weight charts give people a range of about 20# which is considered "average". If you fall below that weight range your health can be compromised; if you are above that weight range your health can be compromised. Yes there are overwieght people who are healthy, just as there are underweight people who are healthy; however, falling outside of certain parameters puts a strain on your body.

We accept that smoking is harmful, drinking heavily is harmful, illegal drugs are harmful... why is it so easy to accept that messing with those substances will haev an impact on our overall health, but it's so difficult to accept the same with regards to food/weight?

 

[SirFace]

I disagree.

Marquis put forth this hypothesis:
Your response was to call him a tool, and others have attempted to offer mitigating theories, explanations, etc.

In pointing to areas of famine, Marquis proves his assertion irrefutably. No matter what thyroid problems, mental health challenges, issues with comfort food, etc., these people have, *everybody* in the entire population loses weight when they eat less calories.

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Again, you are not thinking about what you are saying, there is no proof here at all. Lets reduce the availability of food in the US so we will all get skinnier? Thats rediculous.

Marquis also claims that since he lost weight, erevyone else should be able to. But he says himself that he sleep 16 hrs a day, eats nothing and is high the rest of the time? Very healthy and someone we should all take our health advise from.

 

[SirFace]

No, he's just fine being intolerant of all us nice "stick people" who have done a damned fine job of not being rude to him. QUOTE]

Not at all, and I appologise if you read it that way. I am angry because this whole thread was taking on a direction of intolerence and using health as a excuse for that intolerence. I happen to like all women, I just prefer them to be a little heavier. Thats my choice and my right. Just like everyone who like skinnier women, no problem, good for them.

But when I read the "just eat less" or "move more" BS I get a little angry. I am technically obese. That av is me, untouched, as I am now. We are both in the gym, but neither of us will ever, nor do we want to ever, approach our ideal weight, not gonna happen at this age.

And then, to read an example touting one being Dominated as a vehicle to loose said weight, I lost control. SEE how easy it is to loose control? Works for food too, especially when it is everywhere.

Sorry if I angered anyone. But I was. I dont usually get this way but I travel, a lot. Try and loose weight eating in restaurants and hunting for a gym all the time when you are working 1 hrs a day and living out of a suitcase.

 

[SirFace]

Lately, I've learned something about myself:

If I'm running low on money, like very low, I way overeat. Fortunately, if I'm low on money, I'm probably low on junk food, so I'm overeating rice and peanut butter... but I digress. If I'm any indication of human tendencies as a whole, people who feel the daily risk of famine in their lives (famine = general poverty) may overeat in constant, subconscious anticipation of tomorrow, when there will be nothing to eat.

I think the overall thinness of wealthy people these days helps to support my theory.

Maybe if there were some sort of federal assistance to kinky people, and we didn't ever have to worry about money, we'd all be a little lighter?

Interesting, and well put.

Add travel and no time to shop or prepare meals, just eating from fast food restaurants while driving down the road. Dont do that they say? Well then, the reality would be, Id get less work done or less sleep and loose my job. Poverty it is. Maybe those on welfare have the right idea. No, that doesnt work, it seems those I know on welfare are all pretty big. If I win the lottery, Ill eat better, I promise. Sounds like a plan.

 

[Marquis]

Marquis also claims that since he lost weight, erevyone else should be able to. But he says himself that he sleep 16 hrs a day, eats nothing and is high the rest of the time? Very healthy and someone we should all take our health advise from.

But, but, but, but...

There's a lot of nutrients in these pills!

Society has an unrealistic view of the time needed to recuperate at night!!!!

I never got so many hot chicks until I started fucking with hardcore drugs!!

I have glaucoma!!!!

Sound familiar?

Based on my preliminary estimations of your intelligence, I'm thinking this little satire is going to elude you.

 

[Marquis]

Interesting, and well put.

Add travel and no time to shop or prepare meals, just eating from fast food restaurants while driving down the road. Dont do that they say? Well then, the reality would be, Id get less work done or less sleep and loose my job. Poverty it is. Maybe those on welfare have the right idea. No, that doesnt work, it seems those I know on welfare are all pretty big. If I win the lottery, Ill eat better, I promise. Sounds like a plan.

You've got to be fucking kidding.

Tell me I'm the one missing the satire this time, please.

Dude, you're going to loose (sic) your job if you don't eat fast food?

I want everyone to pay attention, right now. This is why fat people get made fun of.

Stop pretending it's impossible to change.

Stop pretending you love being fat.

JUST PACK A LUNCH YOU FUCKING FATASS!!!

Too lazy to do that?

Get a pre-made salad from a supermarket. Just as quick and cheap as a Triple Fatburger with Extra Grease Fries.

Even if you want to eat fast food, more and more fast food restaurants are offering reasonably healthy alternatives. I don't think there is a major fast food chain that doesn't offer some form of salad these days. Get it with a bottle of water, not that fucking candy water they call soda and have people convinced it's a beverage that should be enjoyed multiple times daily.

God, this shit frustrates me so fucking much, I wouldn't rant out on you like this if you hadn't started off by calling me a tool, but here it comes.

If you want to be a fatboy, live like a fatboy. Eat fatboy food and do fatboy things. Have fatboy sex and get fatboy looks from strangers.

If you want to be lean and mean, live lean and mean. Eat lean and mean, do lean, mean things. Get lean, mean, looks from strangers.

PWS is a genetic disorder. Excuses like the ones you're making are pathetic. I don't know what you do for a living but I do know that the vast majority of the busiest people in the world are able to work so hard because they take excellent care of their bodies.

You're going to tell me you don't watch any TV? I bet you watch AT LEAST 4 hours of TV a week. Trade that in for 4 hours working out bro, it'll do you a lot better.

I'm getting so sick of this shit and all the fucking fatass support group propaganda.

I want to meet the person who eats 2000 calories a day, jogs every morning and weighs 300 pounds.

I'm looking down at my belly right now. During the holiday season I have enough gut that I can grab two handfuls of fat. I know exactly why that fat is there. Because I've been indulging more than usual.

Do I love it?

No, but at the time indulging was more important. Not for any reason other than that I wanted to stuff my face with turkey and pie.

Would I like to be even more muscular, leaner, more defined?

Yes, I would. I would be able to pursue modeling work much more aggressively if I was in better physical shape.

Do I blame the fashion world for brainwashing me about how a man is supposed to look?

Do I blame other male models for taking steroids and creating unrealistic expectations?

No, because I have no idea what I'd look like if I really busted my ass. If I really stuck to my diet. Which, contrary to what you may believe, does not involve starving myself, but rather eating WAY more protein that I usually do.

 

[Etoile]

I gotta say, Marquis, that was a damn good post. I don't necessarily agree with all of your points, but it was well-communicated.

Get a pre-made salad from a supermarket. Just as quick and cheap as a Triple Fatburger with Extra Grease Fries.

Yes and no. Speaking as a vegetarian, it is not usually as cheap to get a pre-made salad at the supermarket as it is to get the "2 for $2" at McD's. I've noticed over the past 13 years that it is usually more expensive to be vegetarian than not. Which is why I realy like Subway. A veggie delite sub is only about 250 calories on wheat bread with regular mustard, and it's cheaper than the meat subs. Hooray for Subway.

 

[JMohegan]

I gotta say, Marquis, that was a damn good post.

I agree.

Marquis, you remind me here of New York City Mayor and former smoker Michael Bloomberg. In this context, that's a compliment.

 

[Quint]

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[Chicklet]

One of the real reasons obesity is becoming so prevailant in American culture is because some of the cheapest food available to us is so, so horrible for us. It's so true that McDonalds has the cheapest food... and it's TERRIBLE for you. All the cheap junk food has had so much shit done to it that it's hardly food anymore.

And a bottle of water is at least 50 cents more expensive in my grocery stores than twice as much soda.

That's not the reason *I'm* overweight - I don't eat fast food and I don't drink soda. But I understand why people with less money to spend spend it on such disgusting things.

Meh.