Why it is important to doubt the gatekeepers....

[BrightShinyGirl]

Btw, if both sides arguments SEEM to defend Republicans, maybe it's because Dems are far more egregious in their wrongdoing and their defense of their own offenders than anything on the Republican side. Just a thought.


But really not the main point here. Just a reasoned response to a bumper sticker thoughtless meme.

Not true. Compare the Democratic response to Al Franken to the Republican response to Donald Trump.

 

[glamorilla]

Wtf are you talking about?

the desperate attempts of the left to make harris not look cringe.

 

[ll74]

the desperate attempts of the left to make harris not look cringe.

The desperate attempts about Harris are not from the left.

 

[AlexBailey]

You are aware that Trump has blanketly rejected Project 2025, right. That was actually one of the issues that Kamala Harris was called on for her several lies in her big speech when it was fact checked.

But again, you still haven't even approached answering the premise of this thread. Funny how you want people to stay on topic on your threads but refuse to even address the topic here.

You lefties and your sidestepping the issue are proving the weakness of your position. So again, the challenge has been made. Does even one of you have the balls to take it up?

You’re deluding yourself if you believe Trump isn’t embracing Project 2025. It’s the only framework the right has for a second Trump administration. Do you think he has drafted his own plan?

As for the media as gatekeepers - yes most media sources have notable bias. Some media for instance are biased toward religious views, others toward economic policy (personal wealth or macro economics) , others towards science, others toward sports and entertainment.

Yes some have specific political leanings while others try to be neutral. Take 538 Politics for instance - great poll analysis. Have you heard their analysis of the RNC speeches? Have you heard their analysis of the Harris campaign?

Reuters news is a very neutral source, as is the associated press. Both are heavily quoted by other news outlets so their stories are often sited and quoted in other biased media sources.

Fewer and fewer news outlets author their own original reporting anymore.

Check your sources. Most hard right-wing sources I look into site other right wing sources or at best spin their analysis of unbiased sources. Britebart, red state and the like are typically garbage. They argue that peer reviewed science journals and fact check sites are biased against them - go figure.

MSNBC, like FOX is a cable news channel, if you watch them with a critical mind they are very open about their bias. If you don’t think they are you aren’t paying attention.

Please be honest and remember day one of the Trump presidency. Remember how he insisted that his inauguration was the largest ever and accused the MSM of spreading “fake news” about it? Remember Kellyanne Conway coining the term when she said the administration had “Alternative Facts”? From day one there were two sides - observable truth vs. the word of Trump.

 

[glamorilla]

The desperate attempts about Harris are not from the left.

my favorite scene in breakfast at tiffany's is when holly go lightly started a rumor about someone at a party for fun and it destroyed her life.

kind of like the rumor obama was gay. you do realize it was done to cover the fact he's a raging homophobe?

 

[ll74]

my favorite scene in breakfast at tiffany's is when holly go lightly started a rumor about someone at a party for fun and it destroyed her life.

kind of like the rumor obama was gay. you do realize it was done to cover the fact he's a raging homophobe?

You are the most obvious deflector in this forum.

 

[JaySecrets]

Not true. Compare the Democratic response to Al Franken to the Republican response to Donald Trump.

That is utterly dishonest a response from you. Franken was protected until they were FORCED to address the issue. Trump has been lied about to the extreme by political insiders, part of the gatekeepers we are discussing, because he interrupted their agenda. And he has been blasted by Republicans and Dems alike. You are simply lying at this point, or are ignorant of the facts because you get them from the gatekeepers. So thanks for proving my point.

That said, pro or anti Trump isn't the point of this thread. Try to stay on topic?

 

[glamorilla]

You are the most obvious deflector in this forum.

its all just one big thread.

 

[ll74]

its all just one big thread.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[AlexBailey]

It isn not just the internet search engines that have gatekeepers. The "scientific" journals that publish research are controlled by a cadre of editors and publishers who are profoundly biased. A cadre of gatekeepers also control the allocation of research grants. This is the only reason why anyhropogenic global warming theology is taken seriously.

Yes, science is biased toward provable facts and peer reviewed studies. That is counter to many religious and fundamentalist beliefs.

I understand why you consider science journals to be biased.

 

[Bray123]

my favorite scene in breakfast at tiffany's is when holly go lightly started a rumor about someone at a party for fun and it destroyed her life.

kind of like the rumor obama was gay. you do realize it was done to cover the fact he's a raging homophobe?

I don't remember any rumor about President Obama being gay or a homophobe.

I do remember a load of stuff about him being unfit to be President because he owned a tan suit.

 

[AlexBailey]

Before 2016 a simple search could find the video of Ivanka bouncing on her daddy’s knee. That largely disappeared.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

That is utterly dishonest a response from you. Franken was protected until they were FORCED to address the issue. Trump has been lied about to the extreme by political insiders, part of the gatekeepers we are discussing, because he interrupted their agenda. And he has been blasted by Republicans and Dems alike. You are simply lying at this point, or are ignorant of the facts because you get them from the gatekeepers. So thanks for proving my point.

That said, pro or anti Trump isn't the point of this thread. Try to stay on topic?

Al Franken was forced to resign by Democrats for pantomiming sexually assaulting a female reporter.

Donald Trump has actually sexually assaulted multiple women and Republicans continue to support him.

The difference between the two parties is stark.

 

[AlexBailey]

I don't remember any rumor about President Obama being gay or a homophobe.

I do remember a load of stuff about him being unfit to be President because he owned a tan suit.

Right?

Just look at all of the “biased” articles that pop up when you search “Obama is not a citizen”

 

[JaySecrets]

First, thank you for engaging on the topic at hand and leveling what, from your side, is the legit arguments.

You’re deluding yourself if you believe Trump isn’t embracing Project 2025. It’s the only framework the right has for a second Trump administration. Do you think he has drafted his own plan?

I think he has DEFINITELY drafted a plan, or has people he trusts who have. You can't have him be both a bumbling idiot and an evil genius. The man is smart, whether or not you like him. He just doesn't have a filter when he talks. I love and hate that about him.

As for the media as gatekeepers - yes most media sources have notable bias. Some media for instance are biased toward religious views, others toward economic policy (personal wealth or macro economics) , others towards science, others toward sports and entertainment.

Towards.... and AGAINST. That against filter is my concern.

Yes some have specific political leanings while others try to be neutral. Take 538 Politics for instance - great poll analysis. Have you heard their analysis of the RNC speeches? Have you heard their analysis of the Harris campaign?

I haven't looked at 538, so can't speak to them. I will look them up and give a response once I do.

Reuters news is a very neutral source, as is the associated press. Both are heavily quoted by other news outlets so their stories are often sited and quoted in other biased media sources.

The AP is blatantly left leaning. You would have to throw a rock pretty far to hit even one actual conservative in their mix. As for Reuters, they are better than many, but they still have a leftward bent that is easily proved

Fewer and fewer news outlets author their own original reporting anymore.

Absolutely. And this is a major issue.

Check your sources. Most hard right-wing sources I look into site other right wing sources or at best spin their analysis of unbiased sources. Britebart, red state and the like are typically garbage. They argue that peer reviewed science journals and fact check sites are biased against them - go figure.

You won't hear me ever citing Britebart or Red State. In fact I only have one conservative in my circles who likes them at all, and he drives me bonkers.

MSNBC, like FOX is a cable news channel, if you watch them with a critical mind they are very open about their bias. If you don’t think they are you aren’t paying attention.

Yep

Please be honest and remember day one of the Trump presidency. Remember how he insisted that his inauguration was the largest ever and accused the MSM of spreading “fake news” about it? Remember Kellyanne Conway coining the term when she said the administration had “Alternative Facts”? From day one there were two sides - observable truth vs. the word of Trump.

He was talking about the total audience, online and off. He wasn't wrong. And I watched the Kellyanne Conway interview. She was not saying what the left later claimed she said when they did creative editing. She was saying that the media was pushing lies and there was provable truth that her side was presenting. Again, she wasn't wrong.

And again, thanks for actually addressing the topic.

 

[JaySecrets]

Al Franken was forced to resign by Democrats for pantomiming sexually assaulting a female reporter.

Donald Trump has actually sexually assaulted multiple women and Republicans continue to support him.

The difference between the two parties is stark.

List the cases where he has had ANY rape claim proven. And, no, rape was not proven in the civil suit, the judge literally ran on the platform of convicting Trump of something.... ANYTHING, and the case is far from settled.

Now can we please stop trying to derail a conversation on a topic where your side olis weakest.

Why are you avoiding the challenge?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

List the cases where he has had ANY rape claim proven. And, no, rape was not proven in the civil suit, the judge literally ran on the platform of convicting Trump of something.... ANYTHING, and the case is far from settled.

Now can we please stop trying to derail a conversation on a topic where your side olis weakest.

Why are you avoiding the challenge?

I didn’t say “rape” I said “sexual assault”. Donald Trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll.

Al Franken was forced to resign for pretending to do what Donald Trump actually did.

 

[AlexBailey]

First, thank you for engaging on the topic at hand and leveling what, from your side, is the legit arguments.

I think he has DEFINITELY drafted a plan, or has people he trusts who have. You can't have him be both a bumbling idiot and an evil genius. The man is smart, whether or not you like him. He just doesn't have a filter when he talks. I love and hate that about him.

Towards.... and AGAINST. That against filter is my concern.

I haven't looked at 538, so can't speak to them. I will look them up and give a response once I do.

The AP is blatantly left leaning. You would have to throw a rock pretty far to hit even one actual conservative in their mix. As for Reuters, they are better than many, but they still have a leftward bent that is easily proved

Absolutely. And this is a major issue.

You won't hear me ever citing Britebart or Red State. In fact I only have one conservative in my circles who likes them at all, and he drives me bonkers.

Yep

He was talking about the total audience, online and off. He wasn't wrong. And I watched the Kellyanne Conway interview. She was not saying what the left later claimed she said when they did creative editing. She was saying that the media was pushing lies and there was provable truth that her side was presenting. Again, she wasn't wrong.

And again, thanks for actually addressing the topic.

Okay, let us know when you see the different plan Trump has drafted for his administration.

You might find this discussion interesting, and not just because of the headline. It’s a conversation about bias and what affects the news that is prioritized:

Basically if Trump’s words weren’t so full of lies his “accomplishments” could have received better attention.

 

[JaySecrets]

I didn’t say “rape” I said “sexual assault”. Donald Trump sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll.

Al Franken was forced to resign for pretending to do what Donald Trump actually did.

He assaulted no one. That you buy into the lines from the left and media shows you are part of the problem.

 

[glamorilla]

Thanks for confirming.

"trump never got shot".

 

[ll74]

He assaulted no one. That you buy into the lines from the left and media shows you are part of the problem.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

 

[ll74]

"trump never got shot".

You just keep deflecting. Neat

 

[glamorilla]

i'm not deflecting anything. Jays kinda smart.

 

[ll74]

i'm not deflecting anything. Jays kinda smart.

Of course. I forgot you don't know the definition

 

[glamorilla]

again...a little off topic but this is cbs

https://twitter.com/x/status/1816809459341054429

these guys are "professional jouralists", "news"?

nope. they're just telling you want they were told to tell you hoping it catches on.