Why The Holocaust Must Be Questioned
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You do know that it was England(well, the UK) who declared war on Germany, thus starting WWII, right?whiskeyjake said:
Because if you didn't know that, yet were trying to mock someone else's knowledge of WWII...well...silly you, eh?
You seem to make a lot of posts like this. Are you actually going to attempt to refute what Woody has said or is this basically all you have to say on the matter?Gringao said:
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I know Woody. When youy nail his Jew-hating ass to a tree, he just claims you've been brainwashed by the Zionist-controlled media. The all-purpose, yet empty, refutation. Woody's a crank that is best mocked, not taken seriously.
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niet said:You do know that it was England(well, the UK) who declared war on Germany, thus starting WWII, right?
Because if you didn't know that, yet were trying to mock someone else's knowledge of WWII...well...silly you, eh?
You seem to make a lot of posts like this. Are you actually going to attempt to refute what Woody has said or is this basically all you have to say on the matter?
Spend the time to read through the thread I started entitled "On the holocaust and denial and stuff." Woody doesn't respond directly to arguments; he presents his side and then doesn't listen to refutations. Or at least doesn't respond to them. At some point you realise that he's arguing from a position he holds on faith or an unspoken agenda.
I happen to like Woody; I admire his perseverance, he can be bloody hilarious, and he is way up there on my list of Litsters I'd like to have a beer with, but I agree with Gringao that there's not a lot of point in arguing with him.
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niet said:You do know that it was England(well, the UK) who declared war on Germany, thus starting WWII, right?
Because if you didn't know that, yet were trying to mock someone else's knowledge of WWII...well...silly you, eh?
You seem to make a lot of posts like this. Are you actually going to attempt to refute what Woody has said or is this basically all you have to say on the matter?
Actaully Niet the second world war was started by the leadership of the world Jewish concil in 1933 when they openly declared war against Germany. Although they had no actual country with actual boundries or any form of government institutions they were as much a country as any other. The declaration was carried in both the New York Times and the London Daily News.
England just went along with them a few years later and declared war. That was concidered as the actual start of WW3.
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Can you really declare war without a country or an army? I mean even if they said it I don't see how that could have been taken literally.
Speaking of which can you provide any proof that such a thing was carried in the New York Post. I garunfucking tee that at the very least it should be on microphice <-- I know I spelled that wrong. Some place, and probably by now has been converted to the computer because it would be a rather important document.
Unless of course the Zionist have made sure that all this evidence was destroyed.
Also historians are pretty sure that the pyramids weren't built by slaves but rather by a caste within egypt. Slaves weren't good enough to work on the Pharroh's eternal resting point. It might be bullshit, to me I don't really care how the damned thing got built.
Speaking of which can you provide any proof that such a thing was carried in the New York Post. I garunfucking tee that at the very least it should be on microphice <-- I know I spelled that wrong. Some place, and probably by now has been converted to the computer because it would be a rather important document.
Unless of course the Zionist have made sure that all this evidence was destroyed.
Also historians are pretty sure that the pyramids weren't built by slaves but rather by a caste within egypt. Slaves weren't good enough to work on the Pharroh's eternal resting point. It might be bullshit, to me I don't really care how the damned thing got built.
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Perhaps here’s a reason why the Holocaust® should be discussed. The poisoning of the minds of children?
Coming soon to your children in a school near you, whether you like it or not.
The Conference Daily
Sunday, Feb. 26, 2006
Holocaust survivor renews educational campaign with AASA member
By Larry M. Edwards
http://www.aasa.org/publications/cdarticledetail.cfm?ItemNumber=5542
[Edited to the most ridiculous parts]
Later, in England, Faber was reunited with his sister Rachel, the only other family member to survive World War II. Rachel had left their native Poland prior to the war and was smuggled into Great Britain.
Why would any Pole be smuggled into Britain BEFORE the war?
When he got home, his family had disappeared. He tracked them down in another town, Tarnow, where they had hoped to hide from the Nazis. But all Jews were ordered to register with the Gestapo, who took retained Faber and his older brother, Abraham, who went by the nickname Romek and for whom Faber’s book is. Gestapo agents tortured them both, repeatedly demanding the whereabouts of a “blue file.”
Jews in Poland did not register with the Gestapo. They registered with their local “Judenrat”, Jewish Council, which answered to Hans Franks General Gouvernmant. Department D of the Gestapo did indeed work the occupied territories, and had access to the Judenrat registries, but the lie is telling. In a book written for junior high students, Faber is making sure they don’t know about the Judenrat.
Romek, who had served in the Polish army, received the harshest treatment – the agents blinded him with a hot poker. “But he never revealed the information the agents sought,” Faber said. The younger Faber knew nothing of the mysterious blue file and the agents let him go. But not before tying him to a chair, knocking out most of his teeth, and pushing him down a flight of stairs. He never saw his brother again.
What does he mean, “Let Him Go”? Last we heard, he was in Gestapo hands and tied to a chair. They just let him go? Somebody associated with “The Blue File”, that was never found? They didn’t send him to prison to be questioned further? Does anybody’s police force, much less the Gestapo, looking for covert enemies, ever JUST LET A SUSPECT GO HOME? A possible saboteur and partisan?
By this time – late 1942 — most of the people in the building had been killed. One day Faber went scavenging in the empty apartments and discovered jewelry the German soldiers had missed. That night, he snuck out and went to a nearby farm, where he traded the jewelry for a chicken and some eggs.
The Tarnow Ghetto is well described. There was a nightly curfew, it was fenced and guarded, and nobody was allowed in or out without a pass. Yet in just one night, Faber leaves the ghetto, walks who knows how many miles to a farm, and finds a mild-mannered farmer still awake. The farmer, who is Polish, doesn’t recognize Faber as a Jew and turn him in for the reward, but instead is raring to engage in trade – though he just could have killed the 14 or 15 year old Faber and kept the jewelry. Faber then walks who knows how many miles back, and comes back into the ghetto before sunrise without being challenged. It was that easy?
But while he and what remained of his family enjoyed their meager feast, they failed to hear the boots. As the Nazi’s kicked in the door, Faber crawled beneath a sofa and hid. His mother and five sisters were caught, however, and shot to death.
You gotta hand it to those Nazis. Smart enough to invent jet aircraft, but they never think to check under the sofa.
Faber hid in the building for several more days, but ran out of food and water. Then one day he heard a voice from a loudspeaker commanding all Jews to give themselves up or starve to death. He gave himself up.
Why would he give himself up? HE SAID HE SAW HIS MOTHER AND SISTERS SUMMARILY SHOT! And, he already said he could magically enter or leave the ghetto at will. What was stopping him from escaping and finding another farm?
All told, he was held in nine concentration camps, including Auschwitz, the notorious death camp in Poland. There, because he spoke German as well as Polish, the Nazis forced Faber to assist them. He had to punch holes in cans of Zyklon B pellets that were used to gas the Jews.
Nobody was allowed to handle Zyklon unless they had passed the DEGASCH training course, and no prisoner was ever allowed to handle the stuff. Also, you did not “punch holes” in the cans, you used a special tool supplied by DEGASCH. Simply punching holes in the can, you’d end up killing yourself.
After each group had been killed, he had to extract any teeth containing gold fillings and collect jewelry from the bodies.
A direct lie.. The names of all Sonderkommando survived the war and were listed by Danuta Czech in 1958. Faber’s name is not on that list.
http://www.sonderkommando-studien.de/artikel.php?c=biografie/verzeichnis
Faber said. “The trains arrived day and night,” he recalled. “The Nazis dug big ditches and forced men, women and children into them, then sprayed them with gasoline.
In 1944, at a time of serious shortages, where did they get the gasoline?
That’s when Faber learned his brother had been “the brains” behind an efforts to block shipments of heavy water from Norway to Germany for use in manufacturing atomic bombs. The details of that resistance effort were contained in the “blue file” the Gestapo had wanted so desperately.
A titanic lie! His brother would have had no idea what heavy water was for. When his brother was killed – when was that? 1939? 1940? - the significance of deuterium for nuclear moderation was known only to a handful of people in the U.S., Britain, Italy and Germany. Shipments of heavy water were blocked by a British-backed Norwegian resistance group, supplemented by British commandos, with the first attempt on February 27, 1943, long after Faber’s brother was dead. Poles had nothing to do with it.
Norwegian Heavy Water Sabotage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage
Also, check out Faber’s timeline. Faber was 13 in 1939, 14 when his brother was killed. Norway did not enter World War II until April 9 of 1940, and was not secured until July of 1940. By December of 1939, Faber and his family were well locked up in the Tarnow Ghetto, where they would have had no contact whatsoever with Norway. Faber’s brother was dead well before any shipments from Norsk Hydro were considered, and probably before Norway even entered the war!
Faber later testified at the trial of John Demjanjuk in Israel.
About WHAT? Demjanjuk was alleged to be a guard at Treblinka or Sobibor. Faber was never in any of those camps. His name doesn’t appear on a list of witnesses. And Demjanjuk was acquitted, so how probative was that testimony, if it ever happened?
Why isn’t there a law against Holocaust® Exaggeration? What was it Uber said about “Making Up Shit” about the Holocaust®? Having read Faber’s book, like many others I’ve noted that it’s written like a Reader’s Digest condensed story, with dates and places are deliberately kept vague. Compare that to a real history, where the information is cited, so you can check up on everything yourself.
Coming soon to your children in a school near you, whether you like it or not.
THE HOLOCAUST® LIES OF DAVID FABER
The Conference Daily
Sunday, Feb. 26, 2006
Holocaust survivor renews educational campaign with AASA member
By Larry M. Edwards
http://www.aasa.org/publications/cdarticledetail.cfm?ItemNumber=5542
[Edited to the most ridiculous parts]
Later, in England, Faber was reunited with his sister Rachel, the only other family member to survive World War II. Rachel had left their native Poland prior to the war and was smuggled into Great Britain.
Why would any Pole be smuggled into Britain BEFORE the war?
When he got home, his family had disappeared. He tracked them down in another town, Tarnow, where they had hoped to hide from the Nazis. But all Jews were ordered to register with the Gestapo, who took retained Faber and his older brother, Abraham, who went by the nickname Romek and for whom Faber’s book is. Gestapo agents tortured them both, repeatedly demanding the whereabouts of a “blue file.”
Jews in Poland did not register with the Gestapo. They registered with their local “Judenrat”, Jewish Council, which answered to Hans Franks General Gouvernmant. Department D of the Gestapo did indeed work the occupied territories, and had access to the Judenrat registries, but the lie is telling. In a book written for junior high students, Faber is making sure they don’t know about the Judenrat.
Romek, who had served in the Polish army, received the harshest treatment – the agents blinded him with a hot poker. “But he never revealed the information the agents sought,” Faber said. The younger Faber knew nothing of the mysterious blue file and the agents let him go. But not before tying him to a chair, knocking out most of his teeth, and pushing him down a flight of stairs. He never saw his brother again.
What does he mean, “Let Him Go”? Last we heard, he was in Gestapo hands and tied to a chair. They just let him go? Somebody associated with “The Blue File”, that was never found? They didn’t send him to prison to be questioned further? Does anybody’s police force, much less the Gestapo, looking for covert enemies, ever JUST LET A SUSPECT GO HOME? A possible saboteur and partisan?
By this time – late 1942 — most of the people in the building had been killed. One day Faber went scavenging in the empty apartments and discovered jewelry the German soldiers had missed. That night, he snuck out and went to a nearby farm, where he traded the jewelry for a chicken and some eggs.
The Tarnow Ghetto is well described. There was a nightly curfew, it was fenced and guarded, and nobody was allowed in or out without a pass. Yet in just one night, Faber leaves the ghetto, walks who knows how many miles to a farm, and finds a mild-mannered farmer still awake. The farmer, who is Polish, doesn’t recognize Faber as a Jew and turn him in for the reward, but instead is raring to engage in trade – though he just could have killed the 14 or 15 year old Faber and kept the jewelry. Faber then walks who knows how many miles back, and comes back into the ghetto before sunrise without being challenged. It was that easy?
But while he and what remained of his family enjoyed their meager feast, they failed to hear the boots. As the Nazi’s kicked in the door, Faber crawled beneath a sofa and hid. His mother and five sisters were caught, however, and shot to death.
You gotta hand it to those Nazis. Smart enough to invent jet aircraft, but they never think to check under the sofa.
Faber hid in the building for several more days, but ran out of food and water. Then one day he heard a voice from a loudspeaker commanding all Jews to give themselves up or starve to death. He gave himself up.
Why would he give himself up? HE SAID HE SAW HIS MOTHER AND SISTERS SUMMARILY SHOT! And, he already said he could magically enter or leave the ghetto at will. What was stopping him from escaping and finding another farm?
All told, he was held in nine concentration camps, including Auschwitz, the notorious death camp in Poland. There, because he spoke German as well as Polish, the Nazis forced Faber to assist them. He had to punch holes in cans of Zyklon B pellets that were used to gas the Jews.
Nobody was allowed to handle Zyklon unless they had passed the DEGASCH training course, and no prisoner was ever allowed to handle the stuff. Also, you did not “punch holes” in the cans, you used a special tool supplied by DEGASCH. Simply punching holes in the can, you’d end up killing yourself.
After each group had been killed, he had to extract any teeth containing gold fillings and collect jewelry from the bodies.
A direct lie.. The names of all Sonderkommando survived the war and were listed by Danuta Czech in 1958. Faber’s name is not on that list.
http://www.sonderkommando-studien.de/artikel.php?c=biografie/verzeichnis
Faber said. “The trains arrived day and night,” he recalled. “The Nazis dug big ditches and forced men, women and children into them, then sprayed them with gasoline.
In 1944, at a time of serious shortages, where did they get the gasoline?
That’s when Faber learned his brother had been “the brains” behind an efforts to block shipments of heavy water from Norway to Germany for use in manufacturing atomic bombs. The details of that resistance effort were contained in the “blue file” the Gestapo had wanted so desperately.
A titanic lie! His brother would have had no idea what heavy water was for. When his brother was killed – when was that? 1939? 1940? - the significance of deuterium for nuclear moderation was known only to a handful of people in the U.S., Britain, Italy and Germany. Shipments of heavy water were blocked by a British-backed Norwegian resistance group, supplemented by British commandos, with the first attempt on February 27, 1943, long after Faber’s brother was dead. Poles had nothing to do with it.
Norwegian Heavy Water Sabotage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage
Also, check out Faber’s timeline. Faber was 13 in 1939, 14 when his brother was killed. Norway did not enter World War II until April 9 of 1940, and was not secured until July of 1940. By December of 1939, Faber and his family were well locked up in the Tarnow Ghetto, where they would have had no contact whatsoever with Norway. Faber’s brother was dead well before any shipments from Norsk Hydro were considered, and probably before Norway even entered the war!
Faber later testified at the trial of John Demjanjuk in Israel.
About WHAT? Demjanjuk was alleged to be a guard at Treblinka or Sobibor. Faber was never in any of those camps. His name doesn’t appear on a list of witnesses. And Demjanjuk was acquitted, so how probative was that testimony, if it ever happened?
Why isn’t there a law against Holocaust® Exaggeration? What was it Uber said about “Making Up Shit” about the Holocaust®? Having read Faber’s book, like many others I’ve noted that it’s written like a Reader’s Digest condensed story, with dates and places are deliberately kept vague. Compare that to a real history, where the information is cited, so you can check up on everything yourself.
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Joaquin1975 said:
If you werent so blind you would see that zionism is two parts fascism and one part Judaism with a chaser of uninformed jewry who think it is about them so they unthinkingly support it. Mugs.
I find it hysterical that you zionist sycophants make Nazi cracks at your critics when Israel is the closest established regime in the world to the Nazi Reich in the manner of their operations and segregation.
The zionist influence in the USA is also making them rapidly become another fascist police state, seeing enemies everywhere as a cause to suppress freedoms.
Godwins Law always rears its ugly head when you have no valid material to present in a debate.
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The only question that comes to my mind about the Holocaust is, "Why did they do it?"
Denials are by persons who cannot deal with reality, for whatever reason.
Denials are by persons who cannot deal with reality, for whatever reason.
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Peregrinator said:
P. I was a little pissed you started that thread that day because I was so busy and my input has been limited right through. That being said, you wanted views, I gave them and I dont see it as my place to convince every disbeleiver to my way of thinking, that being a hopeless and frustrating waste of time. Holocaust questions can only be judged by personally immersing yourself in myriads of data, reports and books and fitting it all into a cohesive historical segment of history. I have made my journey and without the same base knowledge , no-one will just accept what I think.... so I dont bother too much to flounder in that waste of effort. There have been very few
"arguments" put forward except maybe for the gassing rate which logic seems to easily debunk. The rest has been regurgitation of standard dogma of the religion but no-one has shown that the God really exists.
I'm still waiting for someone to present the evidence that shows one Jew was gassed with Zyklon B. I hear a lot of myth and hot air but not one tangible piece of evidence. There are a lot of "eyewitness" reports but the Zundel trial proved they are more hotair than truth when properly crossexamined. It is the pro Holocause that acts on faith that they are right because the Holocaust is so notorious , it cannot be questioned.
All the bluster and duckshoving about me not listening to refutations just doesnt wash when the standard schtik about the Holocaust never stood judicial review in the Zundel case.
The mainstay of my hangup with the Holocaust myth is wrapped around the gassing stories.
Where is the untainted evidence for such procedures. Why did the Russians suppress Auschwirz records for 40 years when they clearly did not fit the Numemburg stories.
The pro-lobby relies on the work of Pressac but he got it wrong at least once and has had to revise other aspects of his writings, yet he is used to debunk the verifiable scientific evidence of Rudolf who rots in jail for chemical analysis.
I do regard the Holocaust story to be part of the Zionist strategy for them to achieve their stated goal of a Jewish Homeland. I have never made that a secret and I fail to see why people choose to ignore the the works of Herzl and those after him that clearly elucidate this plan.
The conspiracy against Hitlers Germany was evident from the Jewish outcry after 1933 when Hitler disenfranchised Jewish power in Germany.
For some reason, we are expected to totally ignore this aspect of history toobecause it impinges on the sanctity of the poor me image whipped up by Holocaust sympathy and is these days regarded as antisemitic, which is the very same revisionism that Holocausters want to deny real historians.
History also shows that larger numbers of other peoples were murdered in WWII than Jews yet the media plays the Holocaust card for all its worth... which in monetary terms has been about $3.5 trillion not counting lifelong reparations to 3.8 million individuals.
Can someone explain why reparation on this scale are justified when even Jewry is now conceding their claims were way overstated at the time.
The whole business stinks of corruption and hypocrisy, exploiting the death toll of WWII in the most evil way for greed and gain.
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Holly Delight said:
Why did they do it? A history researcher would start with Mein Kampf which laid out the reasonings for Hitlers policies. In this day and age, perhaps more people should be aware of just what he actually did think rather than just the blanket portrayal of him as evil personified but ignorant of the detail.
The irony of Hitlers antipathy with Jews was that it set the two most racial supremacist groups in the world at the time in a head on confrontation.
Surely the questions relate to What exactly did "they" do and to whom?
There is a standard storyline which even the Holocausters are revising over time. Are they too then, Holocaust deniers by reducing death tolls as evidence forces them to.
What is the reality? Why have vital records been suppressed for so long?
That is what we all want to know. Find the truth and the questions will go away.
However the purported outrage post-war was the basis of Israels creation, that cannot be corrected now by revising the history that won it UN votes.
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Does all this mean US didn't nuke Japan now? Can we stop making fake apologies every year? I mean we are simply refuting all sorts of established history on this thread, right? Did anyone on this board actually see the bombs dropped from American planes? The whole thing was probably an industrial accident, like someone left the gas on under a pot of tea or something.
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woody54 said:
WHY??
Because the political climate was right in the 1930s in Europe and they could get away with it. Anyone with a political axe to grind with just one Jewish merchant, one gypsy family, one unpleasant incident with a mentally disturbed individual, jumped on the bandwagon and wanted ALL Jews, ALL gypsies, ALL mentally ill persons gone to solve what was really only a one-on-one incident and could have been handled civilly. These Germans had a means to be rid of all, even if the doctor who saved their children's lives was a Jew. I wonder how they rationalized that? How they could become so callous is a foreign concept to me.
Intimidation of those who did not agree wholeheartedly with Hitler was the rule of the day. Good people did not stand and be counted because those with a strong voice had already been imprisoned by Hitler in Dachau. The good people who raised their heads got them chopped off - and due to the economics of the Depression years, their families would slowly die as well.
The Resistance in a lot of countries saved a lot of people with their quiet ways until the military force of the Nazis could be brought down by the Allies.
The phrase "You are either with me or against me," is very powerful when "against me" means your family will starve. How rank and file German soldiers, who did not morally agree with what they were doing at the camps, could live with their actions after the war is one that I don't think was truly studied. They were undoubtedly good case studies for mental health professionals.
