1 in 4 Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth. Does it matter?

[KingOrfeo]

SHOW ME HOW YOU KNOW THEY HAVE STRONGER TEACHER UNIONS OR ARE MORE LIBERAL?

Jesus Christ, get a clue.

Well, I don't know about more liberal, but Japan famously outperforms us and has a pretty strong teachers union (of very strong socialist leanings, BTW, apparently the only major internal dispute is whether to support the Socialists or the Communists). More importantly, a national union in a country with a centralized national education system, so the union just has the one Ministry of Education to deal with and try to influence, instead of thousands of local school boards. And together, them union-Commies and them bureaucrats seem to get some pretty good results.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How the hell are we arguing over if pro-gun control, Universal Healthcare, heavy social safety net having, secular, pro-women's rights, European social democrats are more or less liberal than Americans. I seriously cannot believe this.

 

[Phelia]

SHOW ME HOW YOU KNOW THEY HAVE STRONGER TEACHER UNIONS OR ARE MORE LIBERAL?

Jesus Christ, get a clue.

Vette, seriously? Like, seriously? You saw the list, right? You'd really rather defend the position that Canada/UK/Belgium/Switzerland/France are more conservative than the US (and uh, yes, they have teachers' unions) than admit you said something completely illogical?

I mean, if you want to, go for it. But it's not going to end well for you.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The way the original topic evolved in to this is kind of like how Hannah Montana became the Miley of today.

 

[renard_ruse]

How the hell are we arguing over if pro-gun control, Universal Healthcare, heavy social safety net having, secular, pro-women's rights, European social democrats are more or less liberal than Americans. I seriously cannot believe this.

"Pro-women's rights"? Lol, lol, lol. You mean pro-femanist extremism. Femanism is anti-woman, anti-man, and anti-family. Social democrats (same thing as 21st century American Democrats) are anti-woman.

 

[renard_ruse]

Vette, seriously? Like, seriously? You saw the list, right? You'd really rather defend the position that Canada/UK/Belgium/Switzerland/France are more conservative than the US (and uh, yes, they have teachers' unions) than admit you said something completely illogical?

I mean, if you want to, go for it. But it's not going to end well for you.

Canada no, Canada is political garbage, but as far as Europe, its a lot more complicated. In some ways, at least 20 years ago when I was there, I did consider it more "conservative" in certain ways, obviously less so in others. With the mass immigration, who knows now, both societies are in transformation.

 

[Sean Renaud]

"Pro-women's rights"? Lol, lol, lol. You mean pro-femanist extremism. Femanism is anti-woman, anti-man, and anti-family. Social democrats (same thing as 21st century American Democrats) are anti-woman.

That's an opinion exclusive to male chauvanists. Nobody else buys it.

Canada no, Canada is political garbage, but as far as Europe, its a lot more complicated. In some ways, at least 20 years ago when I was there, I did consider it more "conservative" in certain ways, obviously less so in others. With the mass immigration, who knows now, both societies are in transformation.

Political garbage or no are the to the left or right of us as whole. Even 20 years ago the only thing I can find that may have been more conservative than us was their immigration police. Please however make your case that we're the liberal country. (While using the American defintion, if I have to explain to Vette how libertarians are the real liberals and that it a bit more complex than simple left and right I think I'll turn myself into an energy being fly through the wires and kill you both instead.)

 

[KingOrfeo]

How the hell are we arguing over if pro-gun control, Universal Healthcare, heavy social safety net having, secular, pro-women's rights, European social democrats are more or less liberal than Americans. I seriously cannot believe this.

When you dance with the goalposts, sometimes you get all turned around and tangled up.

 

[RobDownSouth]

*sigh* It's gettin' to the point where a self-respectin' white bigot like Grampa Urine can't rant against libruls and commies in ANY thread without being called out on his falsehoods.

Times were different when women knew to shut their mouths and know their roles!!

 

[oggbashan]

The discussions about the US's education system is irrelevant to the title of this thread.

All the survey proves, if it proves anything, is that ignorance is universally common no matter what education systems are used.

The world has never had a shortage of ignorance.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

England's OCR Exm board lets "faith schools" censor their tests so their students do not have to answer questions on evolution and reproduction.

That sounds like a bad idea to me.

 

[Byron In Exile]

There is no dark side of the moon, really.

Matter of fact, it's all dark.

 

[oggbashan]

England's OCR Exm board lets "faith schools" censor their tests so their students do not have to answer questions on evolution and reproduction.

That sounds like a bad idea to me.

Sounds like a bad idea to us too. The policy is being questioned.

 

[Byron In Exile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrcMqA82x14

 

[BoyNextDoor]

That is probably not relevant to people knowing if the solar system is geocentric or heliocentric in the US but I was surprised

I agree with you that ignorance is universal. It just seems self inflicted more often than not.

 

[Byron In Exile]

The world has never had a shortage of ignorance.

There seemed to be a shortage in the early 1800's, but it proved to be temporary.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Sounds like a bad idea to us too. The policy is being questioned.

Every policy ought to be questioned. That's simply good policy.

And if you are suggesting policies ought not be questioned, then I'm against it.

This is my opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHash5takWU

 

[oggbashan]

Every policy ought to be questioned. That's simply good policy.

And if you are suggesting policies ought not be questioned, then I'm against it.

This is my opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHash5takWU

What I meant was that the particular policy is being reviewed now, since it has been raised by the media. The incidence of opt-outs seems very low indeed.

Several 'faith' schools in the UK are being challenged for failing to deliver adequate education, and at least one has been closed.

Reading between the lines it appears to more a question of general management incompetence than biased teaching.

 

[tactful]

What's really sad in today's society, is when people begin to think everything revolves around them.
Go Earth, rotate baby.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Toon from Ted Rall.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Toon from Ted Rall.

Perfect!

(although what is that black stuff coming out of Trysail's nose?)

 

[dan_c00000]

The left and the administrative state wants to support itself, the Third World, and it's aspect in the United States, by taxing American business and the civil society on the excuse of "global warming." They want to bleed economic power away from the American private sector.

http://thinklink.in/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/msgrundynew2.jpg

If that's true then why did a bunch of free market lovers create cap and trade?

Another massive vet fail.

 

[KingOrfeo]

What's really sad in today's society, is when people begin to think everything revolves around them.

Oh, that's just the nature of all living things.

 

[Byron In Exile]

What I meant was that the particular policy is being reviewed now, since it has been raised by the media. The incidence of opt-outs seems very low indeed.

Several 'faith' schools in the UK are being challenged for failing to deliver adequate education, and at least one has been closed.

Reading between the lines it appears to more a question of general management incompetence than biased teaching.

"The policy is being being reviewed."

How grand would that be?

The US equivalent of "your application is being reviewed."

That means, "If you don't hear back from us in one hundred years, then give us a ring."

 

[oggbashan]

"The policy is being being reviewed."

How grand would that be?

The US equivalent of "your application is being reviewed."

That means, "If you don't hear back from us in one hundred years, then give us a ring."

It is usually a matter of months for that type of statement, and then a low-key statement that nothing will change. The Cornish have a word for it - D'rectly (directly) - which is something like the Spanish 'manana' but without manana's sense of urgency.

A judicial review means a couple of years - usually until after the next Parliamentary election.

A Royal Commission means up to five years or longer - possibly until after the second Parliamentary election.

A Green Paper? We're thinking about it, and that's all we are doing unless it becomes:

A White Paper? We're actually going to do something when we have time.

A statement in the House of Commons? We hope everyone will forget about it.