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UnderYourSpell said:
Seeing as I doubt anyone else will order sherry I better get started although the second from the right looks like it's got ice in it ... a terrible thing to do to sherry



LOL Now you're talkin :D
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i love sherry! amontillado, cream. harvey's bristol, whatever - so long as it's rich, warm, and creamy:D
 
Is Bflag the only judge? If so, his lateness on the judgment is hardly fair. He gave us 48 hours, therefore he should only be allowed 24 to judge! He's late, late for a most important date!
 
CharleyH said:
Is Bflag the only judge? If so, his lateness on the judgment is hardly fair. He gave us 48 hours, therefore he should only be allowed 24 to judge! He's late, late for a most important date!
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he has announced!
 
CharleyH said:
Is Bflag the only judge? If so, his lateness on the judgment is hardly fair. He gave us 48 hours, therefore he should only be allowed 24 to judge! He's late, late for a most important date!
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If you yokels weren't clogging up my thread with your chitchat you would have seen LadynSt's entirely competent review. DrewBerry put his opinion up in here too. So I guess there were three total judgments because Lauren and Angeline didn't choose sides. Also, according to the literotica clock your team submitted your poems up to twelve minutes past the deadline! Raspberry Beret. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxQwUuAIebE
 
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bflagsst said:
If you yokels weren't clogging up my thread with your chitchat you would have seen LadynSt's entirely competent review. DrewBerry put his opinion up in here too. So I guess there were three total judgments because Lauren and Angeline didn't choose sides. Also, according to the literotica clock your team submitted your poems up to twelve minutes past the deadline! Raspberry Beret. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxQwUuAIebE
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Yokels? Combine Harvester

I think you'll find another party in 'another challenge' was a much later submitter than that but wasn't brought to book about it :)

Oh I went out with the one with the big horn!
 
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bflagsst said:
Since contests can't go on forever, I guess I'll give my opinion on each group of poems. New opinions may still be offered on the AnnaSwirls thread, but I'd just like to give mine and be done with my part.

Rules and prosody:

Both teams reference the myth in each poem and give a male and female perspective, meeting the criteria for the death and afterlife aspect of each perspective. Both teams have sufficient true rhymes in the first poem but neither entirely met the half-rhyme criteria for the second poem. Fair and Fear interests me as an imperfect rhyme, entirely acceptable, but blinded, mind, hubris and debris I can't think of a way they would be half-rhymes of -ear in Charley's team's poem. EPMD's team has at least one instance that I don't agree with as a half-rhyme. So I give the slight advantage in rule following to EPMD's team.

Content:

The poems are about giving a personal perspective, Charley's team went with third-person. I'd say that was a risk, it's not the easiest thing trying to describe a personal singular masculine or feminine perspective in third-person. EPMD's team went with what I expected, the first-person narrative, with some sort of throwback narrative interjection in the middle of each poem. So both teams took risks with the form. It takes an especially skilled poet to give depth of character to a 'he' and 'she', and I felt that Charley's team's voicing was a little flatter than I would have liked; a little too traditional sounding whereas EPMD's team is fairly contemporary sounding with that odd retro interjection mid-poem.

I think I hinted heavily that one poem should be voiced masculine and the other feminine, maybe I wasn't specific enough. I kind of wanted to get the men to try writing from a female perspective and the women from the male perspective. Neither team especially hit that mark for me, there's hints of the female in EPMD's team's Echo poem, but I'd imagine that those hints are from the pens of the females. So no one gets extra points for the gender perspective.

Charley's Team:

The first few stanza's are sort of a slow start for me, but the last few are strong, specifically the third and fourth, excellently written. The Echo poem starts strong, passing over the missing half-rhymes, but fades quickly once I hit 'eponym'. I thought I knew what it meant, I even looked it up, but I don't know that it fits with the sounds or with the context. The dialogue fits with the myth well, but I don't think any of the dialogue bits were especially creative. I was hoping one of the teams would use a call and response between poems.

EPMD's Team:

I don't think this poem starts strong either, neither team has that undeniable first line that shouts that they are going to win this thing. I really appreciate the italicized other voice mid-poem, in Narcissus it's done expertly and it's not superfluous at all. I know EroticOrogeny wrote the fourth stanza, his technique is patented by now, and that's where the poem gets really strange and creative for me. I really enjoy the sounds in the last two stanzas and I think I can actually follow the storyline. So congrats to whoever wrote the last stanza, because they could of easily left EO hanging out to dry, but they continued his program and made the entire poem work as far as I'm concerned.

I can't find EO in the second poem, if one of these four poems was written by one hand I'd guess this one. This poem begins much stronger than the last, excellent sounds throughout. However, the odd interjection seems a little less tidy in this poem, I feel like I have to work to find the rhythm whereas the interjection in the first poem had excellent rhythm. The fourth stanza is appreciated, we have dialogue from the myth, this and the last stanza work well together as I think the first and second work well together. The last stanza is well executed, a solid ending to the second team's entry. I read all four poems in different orders so I wouldn't be biased by the last stanza I read. You can get tricked sometimes into thinking a poem's fantastic by a solid sing-songy ending.

And the Winner is:

That traditional voicing in the middle of the poem was a good idea for EPMD's team, the first two people don't necessarily have to worry about what the last two people are doing and vice versa. Both teams wrote coherent poems, there's no stanza that sticks out as misfit. Both teams did a commendable job. It's one thing writing a call and response set of poems with someone, something entirely different to be responsible for one of five stanzas with four other people looking over your shoulder. I think EPMD's team has the better set of poems. The third-person narrative might be what really tipped the program and forced that more traditional voicing for Charley's team. But aside from that I think they made too many easy word choices within their lines. So congrats to both teams for writing poems that I enjoyed reading and analyzing. I'm actually interested in who wrote what? Could someone or some of you give me a rundown of what happened for each team? Maybe spill a little of the creative process for my benefit? Thanks.
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I am sad that you are the only Judge, Bflag, but I appreciate and accept you assessment. Team awesome certainly and undoubtedly had more brilliant, beautiful and wonderful lines. I thank you for a wonderful challenge, I thank my team and thank team awesome (well, everyone but EMP - :p ) for being most modest and kind to us.
 
CharleyH said:
I am sad that you are the only Judge, Bflag, but I appreciate and accept you assessment. Team awesome certainly and undoubtedly had more brilliant, beautiful and wonderful lines. I thank you for a wonderful challenge, I thank my team and thank team awesome (well, everyone but EMP - :p ) for being most modest and kind to us.
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the drinks are on them what you having?
 
LadynStFreknBed said:
I thought I would check things out here. Don't have much time because I am in the process of setting up my new computer and banishing my vile, duct-taped laptop.

As far as the rhyme requirements, Exhibit B is much better. Exhibit A has some rhyme issues. I don't believe "year" and "there" are rhymes, much less true or perfect rhymes. To me, "hubris" and "debris" do not rhyme at all (except for being eye rhymes which I don't consider to be the same as slant or imperfect rhyme). Even so, hubris/debris and blinded/mind would not be considered slant rhymes of year/fear in my opinion.

The content of the poems is very good. The teams did a remarkable job with this challenge... and what a challenge! Well done, bflaggy. Both sets of poems have some strong stanzas and blend together very well. So, I have to vote for Exhibit B, because I feel they adhered more closely to the demands of the challenge and ended up with two exceptional poems.
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I swear this counts as a judgment on the poems.
 
DrewberryLess said:
I love both exhibits, but I am biased because I love poetry. :)

"Lift your spirits as you grieve" sounds twisty. It still echoes in my ear after I finished reading the poem.

Beautiful poems. Both teams should win! I like the Echo from the second exhibit a little more than the others.
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This is almost a third judgment. I'm not sitting on a cloud passing judgment. There aren't exactly a slew of people who hang out in the poet's hangout. Most of them were involved in the contest. If you want I'll get some of those ruffians from the Author's Hangout to come in here and tell us the objective facts of the universe and science and poetry.
 
CharleyH said:
She missed our anadromes. Drink? Chippy is passing them out.
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I don't think your anadromes reflect a reflective quality well, if each stanza was a palindrome you'd have something. I thought for a minute the other team was trying to use the shapes of their stanzas to reflect the feminine and masculine.
 
bflagsst said:
I don't think your anadromes reflect a reflective quality well, if each stanza was a palindrome you'd have something. I thought for a minute the other team was trying to use the shapes of their stanzas to reflect the feminine and masculine.
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you did? gonna have to look at that to see if i can see what you see - or summat.
we didn't get anywhere near as clever as that -the time differences made thismore a 24 than a 48 hour challenge in effect. didnt even have the time to fully co-ordinate editing, so went with what we had even with improvements on board. we got KNACKERED! lol
 
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